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UtahsMrSports
10-30-2015, 10:50 AM
With the passing of ticky burden, I wanted to see what everybody thought would be the all-time utes starting 5.

Ive got

Miller
Newlin
Van Horn
McGill
Bogut

What would you have?

LA Ute
10-30-2015, 12:35 PM
With the passing of ticky burden, I wanted to see what everybody thought would be the all-time utes starting 5.

Ive got

Miller
Newlin
Van Horn
McGill
Bogut

What would you have?

That's pretty good. Maybe we should have first and second all-time teams. If we did, I'd add this second team:

Jerry Chambers
Vranes
Delon Wright
Tom Chambers
Sojourner

I probably forgot someone.

DrumNFeather
10-30-2015, 01:09 PM
That's pretty good. Maybe we should have first and second all-time teams. If we did, I'd add this second team:

Jerry Chambers
Vranes
Delon Wright
Tom Chambers
Sojourner

I probably forgot someone.

Tim Frost!

U-Ute
10-30-2015, 01:20 PM
Tim Frost!

Wait, are the qualifications basketball talent or hair quality?

Applejack
10-30-2015, 01:32 PM
With the passing of ticky burden, I wanted to see what everybody thought would be the all-time utes starting 5.

Ive got

Miller
Newlin
Van Horn
McGill
Bogut

What would you have?

You cheated! Too many bigs.

1. Miller
2. Vranes (we don't have great 2 guards, Vranes is big enough to handle it)
3. A. Jensen
4. Van Horn
5. Bogut

Irving Washington
10-30-2015, 01:58 PM
My top five:

Andre Miller
Mike Newlin
Jerry Chambers
Charlie Whiting
Billy McGill

SeattleUte
10-30-2015, 03:02 PM
You cheated! Too many bigs.

1. Miller
2. Vranes (we don't have great 2 guards, Vranes is big enough to handle it)
3. A. Jensen
4. Van Horn
5. Bogut

Burden, McGill, Wright were All-Americans. Jensen wasn't. Why is he on there and not one of the three aforementioned?

SeattleUte
10-30-2015, 03:04 PM
My top five:

Andre Miller
Mike Newlin
Jerry Chambers
Charlie Whiting
Billy McGill

Mike Newlin wasn't an All-American and he never played in an NCAA playoff game. Charlie Whiting must be your funny pick.

SeattleUte
10-30-2015, 03:07 PM
That's pretty good. Maybe we should have first and second all-time teams. If we did, I'd add this second team:

Jerry Chambers
Vranes
Delon Wright
Tom Chambers
Sojourner

I probably forgot someone.

Tom Chambers and Sojourner weren't All-Americans. Neither was Jerry Chambers, but he was Final Four MVP, so he's fine. I don't know how you can leave McGill off any list.

SoCal, can you fix this Wikipedia article on Jerry Chambers. It's a mess. Lol!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Chambers

Irving Washington
10-30-2015, 03:19 PM
Mike Newlin wasn't an All-American and he never played in an NCAA playoff game. Charlie Whiting must be your funny pick.

Since you haven't named five of your own I can't tell who you would put ahead of Newlin, but I assume from your comments that it would be Delon or Burden. By your criteria, Merv Jackson would also be more deserving, since he was an All-American. Newlin and Jackson were close. I'd put Newlin over Burden because he was as good a scorer, played better defense (even though it was the Jack Gardner era, when defense meant one designated defensive specialist and better "playmaker.") Delon was much better defensively than Newlin, but couldn't compare scoring wise. Newlin wasn't that much worse as a playmaker.

Thought for sure I could slip Charlie past you. he was one of my favorite Utes.

LA Ute
10-30-2015, 03:22 PM
Tom Chambers and Sojourner weren't All-Americans. Neither was Jerry Chambers, but he was Final Four MVP, so he's fine. I don't know how you can leave McGill off any list.

McGill's on UtahsMrSports's first team. I was suggesting a second team.

chrisrenrut
10-30-2015, 03:38 PM
Tom Chambers and Sojourner weren't All-Americans. Neither was Jerry Chambers, but he was Final Four MVP, so he's fine. I don't know how you can leave McGill off any list.

SoCal, can you fix this Wikipedia article on Jerry Chambers. It's a mess. Lol!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Chambers

Why don't you just give us your list, instead of critisizing everyone else's list? sounds like you would only chose anyone that was an All American. But that criteria may be biased towards the competition for those positions at the time the player played.

My list-
Jerry Chambers
Keith Van Horn
Andre Miller
Dany Vranes
Bill McGill

I don't know enough about the guys in the 60's and 70's to supplant Vranes, KVH, or Dre. I'm not sure there is a true center there, but I think size wise KVH and Chambers could hold their own against most front courts.

Guys who it was tough to leave off-
Arnie Ferrin
Mike Newlin
Tom Chambers
Andrew Bogut
Delon Wright
Ticky Burden
Jeff Judkins
Josh Grant

SeattleUte
10-30-2015, 04:48 PM
Why don't you just give us your list, instead of critisizing everyone else's list? sounds like you would only chose anyone that was an All American. But that criteria may be biased towards the competition for those positions at the time the player played.

My list-
Jerry Chambers
Keith Van Horn
Andre Miller
Dany Vranes
Bill McGill

I don't know enough about the guys in the 60's and 70's to supplant Vranes, KVH, or Dre. I'm not sure there is a true center there, but I think size wise KVH and Chambers could hold their own against most front courts.

Guys who it was tough to leave off-
Arnie Ferrin
Mike Newlin
Tom Chambers
Andrew Bogut
Delon Wright
Ticky Burden
Jeff Judkins
Josh Grant

Your list is fine but I'd think about replacing Jerry Chambers with Bogut or Burden. They both had better overall collegiate careers. Merv Jackson certainly deserves consideration. Why isn't he on your second list? I love him too as he played in the first Ute game I ever saw or went to.

UTEopia
10-30-2015, 05:20 PM
Point Guard - I don't think very many people would dispute Miller. Delon Wright would be my second choice.
Shooting Guard - Mike Newlin, Merv Jackson (my personal favorite and childhood hero - I always wore No. 10) and Ticky Burden would all be excellent choices.
SF - Jerry Chambers played center at 6'4", Vranes was a PF, Judkins was a very good player, Alex Jensen, Josh Grant, Britton Johnson
PF - KVH
C - Billy McGil, Bogut, Chambers, Sojourner, Doleac, Buster Matheny was pretty good as well.

I think the only two guys I don't have reservations about are Miller and KVH. There are good arguments for most of the others.

The leader on my all name team is Peaches Lasiter.

SeattleUte
10-30-2015, 05:29 PM
I remember Peaches. He got a technical foul once for dunking (when it was against the rules).

All-time MVP is Miller. That's the only easy choice. Agreed?

People forget there was a time in 1999 when the Utes were at least as good as that 1998 Final Four team. It's the only Ute team ever to run the table through conference play including the conference tournament, and the WAC was a big mess of a conference then. The Utes lost their mojo after Andre took that nasty fall in the WAC tournament. I think he lost his abandon.

hostile
10-30-2015, 05:59 PM
I remember Peaches. He got a technical foul once for dunking (when it was against the rules).

All-time MVP is Miller. That's the only easy choice. Agreed?

People forget there was a time in 1999 when the Utes were at least as good as that 1998 Final Four team. It's the only Ute team ever to run the table through conference play including the conference tournament, and the WAC was a big mess of a conference then. The Utes lost their mojo after Andre took that nasty fall in the WAC tournament. I think he lost his abandon.

agree on Miller.

I would start Bogut and McGill as well in the front court. SF and SG I go with J Chambers and Judkins.

Picking McGill is easy from a numbers standpoint, but for me it is sentimental as well. My dad played with Billy and his stories to me as a young kid are my first recollections of Utah basketball.

LA Ute
10-30-2015, 09:49 PM
I remember Peaches. He got a technical foul once for dunking (when it was against the rules).

All-time MVP is Miller. That's the only easy choice. Agreed?

People forget there was a time in 1999 when the Utes were at least as good as that 1998 Final Four team. It's the only Ute team ever to run the table through conference play including the conference tournament, and the WAC was a big mess of a conference then. The Utes lost their mojo after Andre took that nasty fall in the WAC tournament. I think he lost his abandon.

Didn't Andre hurt his hand in the NCAA tournament? My memory of this is a bit dim, but it seems like he couldn't play 100% against Miami of Ohio when Wally Szczerbiak had the game of his life.

SeattleUte
10-31-2015, 12:31 AM
Didn't Andre hurt his hand in the NCAA tournament? My memory of this is a bit dim, but it seems like he couldn't play 100% against Miami of Ohio when Wally Szczerbiak had the game of his life.

He hurt his hand against Kentucky in the Elite 8 when he was a sophomore, right after your law partner hit that towering three pointer straight out from the front of the rim and tied the score with about six minutes to go.

Irving Washington
10-31-2015, 11:45 AM
Forgot to add that McGill broke the color line at Utah. Don't remember that being a big deal for Ute fans but it may have stuck in the craw of BYU fans, so another point for him.

Irving Washington
10-31-2015, 12:00 PM
Damn, lost my first message.
Hard to say McGill wasn't the best all time. 1st team AA his senior year, 2nd team AA his junior year. Had a better year as a sophomore than Andre. Made the NCAA final four his junior year, Sweet Sixteen his sophomore year. Who knows what we would have done his senior year if we weren't on probation and banned .from the tourney for a year. Finished 23-3, ranked 7th at the end of the year. And we lost our second best player to injury, Allen Holmes, before the beginning of the year. BS probation too.
McGill was statistically more dominant than Andre, but A Andre carried us to the championship game in 98, and all next season. Close to POY. Could go either way.

SoCalPat
11-02-2015, 12:00 PM
You cheated! Too many bigs.

1. Miller
2. Vranes (we don't have great 2 guards, Vranes is big enough to handle it)
3. A. Jensen
4. Van Horn
5. Bogut

Yeah, I'm with SU here. Alex Jensen doesn't belong on this list by a longshot, not with the other many options there are to choose from.

SoCalPat
11-02-2015, 12:17 PM
First team
PG: Andre Miller
SG: Ticky Burden
SF: Danny Vranes
PF: KVH
C: Billy McGill

Second team
PG: Delon Wright
SG: Mike Newlin
SF: Vern Gardner
PF: Ken Gardner
C: Andrew Bogut

Third team
PG: Jeff Jonas
SG: Arnie Ferrin
SF: Josh Grant
PF: Tom Chambers
C: Michael Doleac

SeattleUte
11-02-2015, 12:19 PM
First team
PG: Andre Miller
SG: Ticky Burden
SF: Danny Vranes
PF: KVH
C: Billy McGill

Second team
PG: Delon Wright
SG: Mike Newlin
SF: Vern Gardner
PF: Tom Chambers
C: Andrew Bogut

Third team
PG: Jeff Jonas
SG: Arnie Ferrin
SF: Josh Grant
PF: Tom Chambers
C: Michael Doleac

This.

SoCalPat
11-05-2015, 10:00 AM
Tom Chambers and Sojourner weren't All-Americans. Neither was Jerry Chambers, but he was Final Four MVP, so he's fine. I don't know how you can leave McGill off any list.

SoCal, can you fix this Wikipedia article on Jerry Chambers. It's a mess. Lol!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Chambers

Fixed.

SeattleUte
11-05-2015, 11:37 AM
Fixed.

I like it!

mUUser
11-05-2015, 01:20 PM
PG: Begins and ends with Andre. Like Delon on the second team.
SG: Mike Newlin over Ticky. I just like the idea of a 2X academic all-american here. A Rhodes Scholar finalist. He's the kind of guy that should've gone to Stanford but didn't. That's gotta make Rat Boy happy.
SF: KVH. End of story. I'd like to mention local hero Josh Grant though who shut up Bradley with authority. The other local hero Vranes gets a mention as well.
PF: Billy McGill. I get it, he's a Center, but I like him as a hybrid. In any case, I'm not leaving Bogut off the list.
C: Bogut. Our only POY winner.

Not sure how to get Arnie Ferrin in there but he's more than deserving as well. Of the 5, I only saw 3 of them play. I probably saw Newlin but was in kindergarten so doesn't count.

Diehard Ute
11-05-2015, 02:07 PM
PG: Begins and ends with Andre. Like Delon on the second team.
SG: Mike Newlin over Ticky. I just like the idea of a 2X academic all-american here. A Rhodes Scholar finalist. He's the kind of guy that should've gone to Stanford but didn't. That's gotta make Rat Boy happy.
SF: KVH. End of story. I'd like to mention local hero Josh Grant though who shut up Bradley with authority. The other local hero Vranes gets a mention as well.
PF: Billy McGill. I get it, he's a Center, but I like him as a hybrid. In any case, I'm not leaving Bogut off the list.
C: Bogut. Our only POY winner.

Not sure how to get Arnie Ferrin in there but he's more than deserving as well. Of the 5, I only saw 3 of them play. I probably saw Newlin but was in kindergarten so doesn't count.

Speaking of shutting BYU guys up, Van Horn tweeted this out a while back.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/05/51a241e8c12f1a3c42abd3189f8d1b7b.jpg


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Dwight Schr-Ute
12-03-2015, 04:42 PM
Not sure where else to put this but this Vine of Bogut is fantastic. Disadvantage of being Curry's teammate: rebound stats take a hit. Advantage of being Curry's teammate: You get a head start to defense.

https://vine.co/v/iWjrOBrzZ2F

SoCalPat
12-04-2015, 09:40 AM
PG: Begins and ends with Andre. Like Delon on the second team.
SG: Mike Newlin over Ticky. I just like the idea of a 2X academic all-american here. A Rhodes Scholar finalist. He's the kind of guy that should've gone to Stanford but didn't. That's gotta make Rat Boy happy.
SF: KVH. End of story. I'd like to mention local hero Josh Grant though who shut up Bradley with authority. The other local hero Vranes gets a mention as well.
PF: Billy McGill. I get it, he's a Center, but I like him as a hybrid. In any case, I'm not leaving Bogut off the list.
C: Bogut. Our only POY winner.

Not sure how to get Arnie Ferrin in there but he's more than deserving as well. Of the 5, I only saw 3 of them play. I probably saw Newlin but was in kindergarten so doesn't count.

Without a 3-point line, I put Newlin, the greatest backcourt player the U. ever had in getting to the line, on the first team. With the 3-point line, Ticky is a no-brainer choice at SG.

Irving Washington
12-04-2015, 10:46 AM
Without a 3-point line, I put Newlin, the greatest backcourt player the U. ever had in getting to the line, on the first team. With the 3-point line, Ticky is a no-brainer choice at SG.

Not sure I'd say it is a no-brainer. The NBA three point shot (3-4 feet farther out at the time) was available only during the final three years of Newlin's career. He only shot 30% on the three then, but I wonder how he'd do in college if the shorter three point line was available?

SoCalPat
12-07-2015, 09:33 AM
Not sure I'd say it is a no-brainer. The NBA three point shot (3-4 feet farther out at the time) was available only during the final three years of Newlin's career. He only shot 30% on the three then, but I wonder how he'd do in college if the shorter three point line was available?

I think you're misunderstanding. The presence of a 3-point line makes it a no-brainer for Ticky over Newlin, not the other way around.

Irving Washington
12-07-2015, 02:19 PM
I think you're misunderstanding. The presence of a 3-point line makes it a no-brainer for Ticky over Newlin, not the other way around.

I got it. I'm wondering what Newlin's statistics would have been in college if the three point line was around then.

Rocker Ute
02-25-2016, 01:42 PM
This tweet from Keith Van Horn makes him all-time top 5 Ute social media team:

'Parents ask to keep stats & I say, "Sure, Tell me the # of turnovers, missed box outs & blow-bys ur kid has tonight." They never ask again.'


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sancho
02-27-2016, 09:29 AM
This tweet from Keith Van Horn makes him all-time top 5 Ute social media team:

'Parents ask to keep stats & I say, "Sure, Tell me the # of turnovers, missed box outs & blow-bys ur kid has tonight." They never ask again.'


I looked for KVH's fun police commercial a while back, but I couldn't find it. He just posted it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO6v6FyjMOY

This is my response to court storming police.