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    Off with their headsets! - Coaching hirings and firings

    So it looks like Sark at Washington will be heading to USC. Also Wyoming fired their head coach, maybe they can bring back Joe Glen - "powder river let'r buck!"

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    This Sark hiring could make the coaching carousel in the Pac-12 very interesting. Back when Jim Mora Jr was the head coach of the Falcons he said on a radio interview that his dream job was coaching the University of Washington and that he would leave Atlanta, even in the middle of a playoff run, if offered the job.

    Mora has done a fantastic job with UCLA. Washington is stupid if they don't at least give Mora a call.

    With Orgeron quitting so quickly, it isn't a stretch to think their is some bad blood with USC. Any Pac-12 school would be smart to snatch him up as an assistant to coach to help him enact some revenge on USC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    With Orgeron quitting so quickly, it isn't a stretch to think their is some bad blood with USC. Any Pac-12 school would be smart to snatch him up as an assistant to coach to help him enact some revenge on USC.
    I think Orgeron wants to be a head coach. Some small school will give him a shot. He just quit at USC and will not coach them in their bowl game. I don't think that's the kind of guy you want on your team. He seems to run mostly on emotion.

    I'd be surprised if Mora goes to UW. I think they should promote DC Justin Wilcox.

    I think Sark will be good at USC. He seemed to be a better candidate than other names I was hearing - Franklin, Orgeron, Del Rio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I think Sark will be good at USC. He seemed to be a better candidate than other names I was hearing - Franklin, Orgeron, Del Rio.
    Sorry, but I have no idea how you could say Sark would be better than Franklin. Franklin has done more with much less at Vandy than Sark at UW.

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    Sorry, but I have no idea how you could say Sark would be better than Franklin. Franklin has done more with much less at Vandy than Sark at UW.
    I don't know. Franklin has not finished above 4th in the SEC east. He's 11-13 in conference games. He is 12-0 in OOC games against typical pathetic SEC OOC schedules. His best OOC win is either Wake or NCState. His best win while at Vandy is this year's Georgia team. Sark has similar records in recent years against much tougher competition. Consider the familiarity with SoCal and USC a tiebreaker between the two.

    I'm not saying Sark is Saban, but given the underwhelming list of available coaches this year, UW did alright.

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    Sark to USC confuses me. I can see why Sark would want it, but I don't see why USC wants him. It seems like an underwhelming hire to me. Is there something on his resume that I'm not seeing?

    Given the amount of talent that is attracted to the USC name, he'll probably do pretty well. But I don't see him taking them back to elite status. Especially with the rising programs in the south division (sadly, I'm talking about UCLA and the AZ schools).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    Sorry, but I have no idea how you could say Sark would be better than Franklin. Franklin has done more with much less at Vandy than Sark at UW.
    Washington was coming off an 0-12 season when it hired Sark.
    Last edited by SoCalPat; 12-03-2013 at 08:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Washington was coming off an 0-12 season when it hired Sark.
    And Vandy was coming off back-to-back 2-10 seasons. And Vandy was Vandy. I don't see any way to argue that Franklin stepped into a situation where it would be easier to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I think Orgeron wants to be a head coach. Some small school will give him a shot. He just quit at USC and will not coach them in their bowl game. I don't think that's the kind of guy you want on your team. He seems to run mostly on emotion.

    I'd be surprised if Mora goes to UW. I think they should promote DC Justin Wilcox.

    I think Sark will be good at USC. He seemed to be a better candidate than other names I was hearing - Franklin, Orgeron, Del Rio.
    I would not be surprised at all to see Orgeron end up at Wyoming.

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    I understand Peterson is from the Northwest, so maybe that's why he's so interested in the UW job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I understand Peterson is from the Northwest, so maybe that's why he's so interested in the UW job.
    I think you also have to wonder if he has taken Boise as far as they can go without being in a BCS conference.
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    I think you also have to wonder if he has taken Boise as far as they can go without being in a BCS conference.
    Like I said, realignment has not improved college football. I think Petersen was a Boise lifer in the old system, and I love that that type of coach could exist and be successful. It's what we hoped we had in Kyle when we were in the MWC. But Petersen recognizes that under the new rules with new money those days are gone. It's really a shame.

    I hope he is successful at UW, and I hope Boise manages to find someone who will get them back to BCS games. Of all schools, none were more wronged by realignment.

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    Well that whole carousel worked out pretty well for Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    Well that whole carousel worked out pretty well for Washington.
    And they get to collect $1.5 million from USC, more if USC has to pay the assistants buyout. Sark and Peterson are going to be compared for a long time, like D Will and CP coming into the league at the same time, or Alex and Aaron Rodgers. Pat Haden's legacy will rest on whether he hired the right guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    Well that whole carousel worked out pretty well for Washington.
    Looking at it from this moment in time it does.

    Ask Colorado how they felt when they first hired Dan Hawkins... and then again, a few years later.

    I'm not saying Petersen is Hawkins, just that there are very few absolute guarantees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I understand Peterson is from the Northwest, so maybe that's why he's so interested in the UW job.
    I was wrong. He was raised in SoCal but spent his adult life, pre-Boise, in the Northwest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I was wrong. He was raised in SoCal but spent his adult life, pre-Boise, in the Northwest.
    Negatory. Pete is from Yuba City, which is most decidedly NoCal and arguably part of the PNW.

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    Off with their heads! - Coaching hirings and firings

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Negatory. Pete is from Yuba City, which is most decidedly NoCal and arguably part of the PNW.
    My sole source is Dan Patrick, who said Peterson grew up in SoCal. Happy to concede the point to you. It's true, for someone from that area Southern California would be a pretty foreign place.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 12-06-2013 at 06:35 PM.

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    I will be mildly curious to see how Peterson assembles his staff. I really don't like Kyle's inbred approach, and I am wondering if Peterson's will be similar.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I will be mildly curious to see how Peterson assembles his staff. I really don't like Kyle's inbred approach, and I am wondering if Peterson's will be similar.
    I think he should grab whichever of Kyle's friends we don't already have. Then we can see which head coach is better at evaluating the coaching prospects of Kyle's friends.

    But really, Kyle's friend Christiensen is not a bad choice for OC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I think he should grab whichever of Kyle's friends we don't already have. Then we can see which head coach is better at evaluating the coaching prospects of Kyle's friends.

    But really, Kyle's friend Christiensen is not a bad choice for OC.
    according to the Pac 12 blog, there is going to be a fight over Wilcox. Both USC and Wash want him, and his buyout may price him out of USC. He could also be a candidate to replace Peterson at BSU. Does Sark then tap Sitake?

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    according to the Pac 12 blog, there is going to be a fight over Wilcox. Both USC and Wash want him, and his buyout may price him out of USC. He could also be a candidate to replace Peterson at BSU. Does Sark then tap Sitake?
    Why would Sark not keep Pendergast? He's the one thing that worked well in LA this year.

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    So, in 4 years, at least one of these coaches will be have been fired: Shaw, Herlich, Petersen, Leach, Riley, Dykes. My guess is that Dykes and Riley are gone, plus one more who I can't decide on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    according to the Pac 12 blog, there is going to be a fight over Wilcox. Both USC and Wash want him, and his buyout may price him out of USC. He could also be a candidate to replace Peterson at BSU. Does Sark then tap Sitake?
    Tosh Lupoi. From what I understand, this guy is an incredible recruiter.

    This report says that Wilcox and Lupoi are proving difficult to extract out of UW.

    http://larrybrownsports.com/college-...uts-usc/212929

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    Wyoming hires the guy from North Dakota. Good move. If he's successful, he can replace Dykes in 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Tosh Lupoi. From what I understand, this guy is an incredible recruiter.

    This report says that Wilcox and Lupoi are proving difficult to extract out of UW.

    http://larrybrownsports.com/college-...uts-usc/212929
    USC: Justin Wilcox will be named USC's defensive coordinator after Washington's bowl game tonight according to Bruce Feldman.
    http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I will be mildly curious to see how Peterson assembles his staff. I really don't like Kyle's inbred approach, and I am wondering if Peterson's will be similar.
    He'll take 1-2 from Boise, keep some from UW. Wilcox, as mentioned, is a significant domino that could affect several schools.

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    Lya reporting via Twitter that Weber State has hired Jay Hill to be their next head coach. How big of an impact does this have on the Utah program?


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    Lya reporting via Twitter that Weber State has hired Jay Hill to be their next head coach. How big of an impact does this have on the Utah program?


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    I hear he is a very good recruiter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Lya reporting via Twitter that Weber State has hired Jay Hill to be their next head coach. How big of an impact does this have on the Utah program?


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    He's been our best recruiter for the best couple of years. Almost all of our solid recruits this cycle are "Hill" recruits, so we had better lock those guys in. I'm not worried about Jackson Barton, but I am worried about Kenyon Frison. He's getting looks from top Pac-12 schools. We need to keep him or this class looks really bad,

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