Just curious to see what people really think about our current and potential future mascot/name
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HBR8RGZ
Just curious to see what people really think about our current and potential future mascot/name
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HBR8RGZ
What are your results so? If there was some way to check after voting, I blew it.
As long as the University takes reasonable steps to honor the name and to prevent gross abuses, the tribe will let us keep it. They get financial benefits from it (I think), and because of the U. a lot more people know what a Ute is than would otherwise.
Last edited by LA Ute; 12-08-2013 at 03:12 PM.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
If we do end up losing the name, I like the idea of being the Utah Raptors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_raptor). You should add that to your poll.
I dislike Raptors immensely. There are already two teams with the name Raptors: Ogden's minor league baseball team and Toronto's NBA team. Neither are a team that I want to be confused with.Originally Posted by Hadrian
I love the idea of the Moose, and Raptors
I've always liked the Moose idea. Don't think it'll ever happen, though.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
I love the Utes, but if I had to choose another mascot it would be the Red Rocks. Something that is pretty unique to Utah and something we are famous for. Also the gymnastics are already called that.
I also like the idea of the Utah Cutthroats, as it is a double entendre with the local trout population, and an insiders wink to the Mormon temple rites and blood atonement, but I assume it would be shot down because of that same connection.
Negatory on the Raptors
Did you come up with that? It is amazingly brilliant. I L-O-V-E it! It's (a) unique, (b) localized, and (c) badass. It's like the opposite of Raptors.
Nope, it was one of the options in the survey linked in the first post. But that survey was the first time I had heard of it.
I love Hoodoos, but I can only imagine all of the phallic props people would use.
No offense to the LGBT and Disney loving Utah fans, but I don't want to known as something that can also be refered to as a fairy chimney.
In the words of Applejack, it is not "badass".A hoodoo (also called a tent rock, fairy chimney, and earth pyramid) is a tall, thin spire of rock that protrudes from the bottom of an arid drainage basin or badland.
Red Rocks, Cutthroat, and Moose are the only three alternatives I've ever heard that are not horrible.
I don't want any name change. utes and only utes.
This is interesting:
The University of Utah Utes: Working Toward Understanding
It's in a Native American publication and has a point of view, but I learned some things about what offends some members of the Ute tribe. I love the Ute name for out teams and hope this can be worked out. I do wonder if the activists in the tribe (and I have no idea how representative they are) ever think about the adage, "Be careful what you ask for because you might get it?" If the U. drops the Ute name altogether it won't be long before almost no one knows what a Ute is. We have enough trouble with awareness of that as it is.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
When i read that article earlier, I took it to mean they really want the scholarships and financial benefits from licensing the name, and are negotiating. If we give it up, we just ought to be the Utah Crimson. Animal mascots are hokey.
It looks like the tribal elders want to keep the deal and the financial benefits while working out the respect issues, and a group of activists doesn't want the name used at all. I predict that money will win.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Its your classic good cop bad cop negotiating tandem.
What is up with that website, the article had like two paragraphs on each page and you had to go through 6 pages to read about a page worth of material. It is unfortunate, but the Ute tribe has a lot more to lose than the University of Utah if the name changes. Elder Cuche stated as much.
The pictures that that they show are of people trying to show their excitement and support for the Ute name and team. I don't think that any of those people were doing it maliciously. Maybe they simply need to ban headdresses from the stadium, that seems like a easy fix. Maybe season ticket holders and students have to read through a sensitivity pamphlet before purchasing tickets.Eldridge said the fan behavior at games is so disgraceful it is impossible for Natives to attend sporting events. “They used to put the drum and feather on underwear. T-shirts have Ute-aholics written on them. Students paint their face red and wear headdresses. The whooping, the hollering and tomahawk, at every game you will find someone like this.”
I do think that there is definitely some give and take that both sides can offer. However, there is going to be a time that if pushed the U will simply have enough and just change to another name to put an end to the issue. That will be a sad day for all involved.
I want the name changed. I'm tired of this every offseason. It's old. It is going to change, there are too many people that will keep clamoring until it is changed.
I want Red Rocks or Cutthroat. Both would be just as good as the Utes, both represent Utah (in a lot of ways better than Utes, seeing how the tribe is mainly based out of state).
It is not just white people, but legitimate members of the Ute tribe that are offended (as the article pointed out).
I agree that both of those name would be good alternatives to Utes.I want Red Rocks or Cutthroat. Both would be just as good as the Utes, both represent Utah (in a lot of ways better than Utes, seeing how the tribe is mainly based out of state).
I can't believe some of you are a actually saying you want our beloved school's mascot to be a fish. Not a shark or something tough that lives in the water, a couple pound little fish. I may be in the minority but the idea of a fish being on the jersey/helmet makes me throw up a little in my mouth. As for the moose or red rocks, I could get on board with either one. Please just no fish
Moose is my favorite. I can't decide if I am really serious in saying that, however.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
We should get Disney to license us "Sith"
Before I get into this, I want to note that I believe the Eldridge quoted in this article is the same that was attempting to cause a fuss a couple of months ago. She also is the one quoted as saying Pershing changed his mind, while those actually involved in this haven't indicated that is true. Just some nitpicks.
That being said, I think we should stick to the Utes but take away the things that are upsetting people in and out of the tribe, because frankly a lot of it bothers me too. Here is what I think should happen:
1. Have the security screen people for offensive dress and also make lots of announcements that imitating sacred native American dress will not be allowed in the stadium.
2. Before or during the games (ideally in between the 1st and 2nd quarter) have a short little video or something that educates people about Ute history and also the present.
3. One game a year allow the Ute or other Indian tribes have the half-time show to educate people on the culture, etc.
4. Increase scholarships for Ute tribe members and also get Utah students involved in a variety of ways with the tribe.
If there were true pride and connection between the two groups and native Americans there will be no further objections. I don't see any of these things being a major hurdle at all, and regardless of all of this, item #1 just needs to happen.
This makes a lot of sense to me.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
1 would be fine...if we had competent security.
I never got around to making a pretty spread, but here are some of the data
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