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    The Competition: PAC-12 Hoops 2016-17

    This can be a thread about what we see happening in our conference.
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    Mixed results against minor league teams from the state of Ohio. USC beats a Dayton team that upset Gonzaga earlier this year. Oregon State goes down to Akron.

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    The 12 Pac basketball thread

    Oregon and Colorado going down to the wire and the game has unfolded much like ours with Oregon did. We want Colorado to win this, because we don't play Oregon again and we can control our fate with Colorado, playing Colorado two times. I don't know about you gentlemen, but I'm playing this conference to win it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Oregon and Colorado going down to the wire and the game has unfolded much like ours with Oregon did. We want Colorado to win this, because we don't play Oregon again and we can control our fate with Colorado, playing Colorado two times. I don't know about you gentlemen, but I'm playing this conference to win it.
    Colorado won by 9 points

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    You know, really, basketball is where the new landscape of college athletics in the State of Utah becomes the most apparent. Moreso than football.

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    So how does everyone rank the toughest road trips in the league this year? Here's mine:

    1. Arizona
    (big gap)
    2. Mountain
    (decent, but not huge, gap)
    3. Bay
    (very small gap)
    4. Oregon
    (virtually no gap)
    5. LA
    (enormous gap)
    6. Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    So how does everyone rank the toughest road trips in the league this year? Here's mine:

    1. Arizona
    (big gap)
    2. Mountain
    (decent, but not huge, gap)
    3. Bay
    (very small gap)
    4. Oregon
    (virtually no gap)
    5. LA
    (enormous gap)
    6. Washington
    The thing about those rankings is this: How good is UCLA? How bad is USC? How good is Washington? WSU looks terrible. Maybe the Bay area, overall, is last?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portland Ute View Post
    The thing about those rankings is this: How good is UCLA? How bad is USC? How good is Washington? WSU looks terrible. Maybe the Bay area, overall, is last?
    Washington's not good. They probably belong in the bottom tier with WSU, USC, and OSU. I'd be shocked if they're as good as either Bay team, and I bet Romar is unemployed after this year.

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    Washington looked bad in the non-conference season, but they upset ASU in Tempe and gave the Wildcats a scare in Tucson. On any given night . . . .

    I'll be happy with a 1-point win over the Huskies in Seattle on Wednesday night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portland Ute View Post
    You know, really, basketball is where the new landscape of college athletics in the State of Utah becomes the most apparent. Moreso than football.
    Please eloborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    Washington's not good. They probably belong in the bottom tier with WSU, USC, and OSU. I'd be shocked if they're as good as either Bay team, and I bet Romar is unemployed after this year.
    I agree Romar is deficient, but they'll never fire Romar. Never. Unless there's a scandal, he'll be there till he quits.
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    We should combine this thread with my 12 Pac thread. I didn't see LA had started this.
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    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    We should combine this thread with my 12 Pac thread. I didn't see LA had started this.

    Done
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    Week one in review.

    What We Learned: There were some nice contests to kick things off and I think we were all reminded of the enigmatic nature of conference sports, but Utah. Sure they lost on a last second steal-n-dunk – you know, just the way Dana likely drew things up – but they played like the winners for all 45 minutes. Prior to the game, Utah was interesting, at best, to me. I gchatted all about it and ‘interesting’ was literally the only thing we could come up with (we meaning me, James, and Jason). Such a conclusion made that game Thursday night all the more, well, interesting. AND THEN THE GAME ACTUALLY HAPPENED! I loved Jordan Loveridge’s night and the way Utah played and conducted themselves. And I still think full credit is owed to Oregon. Winning conference road games is to be celebrated. Losing conference home games is a tough pill to swallow. That’s why I think Utah’s effort was a moral victory but not necessarily one they have to like. Oh, and then they kicked the hell out of OSU. Utah’s legit.

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    Two somewhat surprising results: Oregon State downs Stanford, and Cal wins at Oregon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Two somewhat surprising results: Oregon State downs Stanford, and Cal wins at Oregon.
    The Cal game is the real shocker. Winning on the road in the Pac is like drinking a real milkshake: it doesn't happen often, so it should be savored. That's why no one should be poo-pooing the WSU game on Saturday - that would be a fine win for our young program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    The Cal game is the real shocker. Winning on the road in the Pac is like drinking a real milkshake: it doesn't happen often, so it should be savored. That's why no one should be poo-pooing the WSU game on Saturday - that would be a fine win for our young program.
    We have made a HUGE jump this season: Playing with anyone at home.

    We have two big ones to make: Winning consistently on the road and closing off tight games.

    Any win on the road vs any opponent at this point is a huge win.

    So, I agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    The Cal game is the real shocker. Winning on the road in the Pac is like drinking a real milkshake: it doesn't happen often, so it should be savored. That's why no one should be poo-pooing the WSU game on Saturday - that would be a fine win for our young program.
    Nothing shocks me in this crazy conference. It's full of good basketball players and athletes. AZ will lose at least three times. I'm expecting the Utes to beat them.
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    The PacHoops blogger has a lot to say about Cal:

    Cal Doing Big things with Improved Richard


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    The PacHoops blogger has a lot to say about Cal:

    Cal Doing Big things with Improved Richard
    Cal snuck up on all of us. And I love their schedule -- four home cupcakes, followed by a tough preseason tournament, then alternating home games with true road games against Tournament-caliber competition (UC Santa Barbara, Creighton). They lost some games and looked flat in other contests (Fresno, a team we scored 90 points against, gave up 67 to Cal), but it's clear the Bears hit conference play running. Would love to see our schedule play out in similar fashion next year. Plus, it misses on the SLC-Boulder road trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Cal snuck up on all of us. And I love their schedule -- four home cupcakes, followed by a tough preseason tournament, then alternating home games with true road games against Tournament-caliber competition (UC Santa Barbara, Creighton). They lost some games and looked flat in other contests (Fresno, a team we scored 90 points against, gave up 67 to Cal), but it's clear the Bears hit conference play running. Would love to see our schedule play out in similar fashion next year.
    I think (hope?) Larry learned a lot from the pre-conference extreme cupcake schedule he had this season. I doubt we'll see anything like that again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think (hope?) Larry learned a lot from the pre-conference extreme cupcake schedule he had this season. I doubt we'll see anything like that again.
    Larry has already said that the schedule was set a couple of years ago, and had he known how far along the Utes would have been this year, he would have scheduled differently. I don't think he was counting on Wright being so good.

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    Just enjoy the ride. We don't suck anymore. We are ahead of schedule. Go Utes!

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    Lunardi's latest bracket projections for ESPN have 6 teams - CU, Oregon, UCLA, Arizona, Stanford, Cal - from the Pac-12, with ASU on the "first four out" list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Lunardi's latest bracket projections for ESPN have 6 teams - CU, Oregon, UCLA, Arizona, Stanford, Cal - from the Pac-12, with ASU on the "first four out" list.
    I think a realistic goal for the Utes this year is to be in the second third of Pac teams. I think CU, UCLA, AU, Cal, Stanford and maybe Oregon go dancing. You would think that 2-3 teams after that will go to the NIT: Arizona St, Washington?, and us, maybe. I want it to be clear that we are better than USC, OSU, and Wazzu. That would be a successful season, in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I think a realistic goal for the Utes this year is to be in the second third of Pac teams. I think CU, UCLA, AU, Cal, Stanford and maybe Oregon go dancing. You would think that 2-3 teams after that will go to the NIT: Arizona St, Washington?, and us, maybe. I want it to be clear that we are better than USC, OSU, and Wazzu. That would be a successful season, in my book.
    That would put us right at our predicted 9th place finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I think a realistic goal for the Utes this year is to be in the second third of Pac teams. I think CU, UCLA, AU, Cal, Stanford and maybe Oregon go dancing. You would think that 2-3 teams after that will go to the NIT: Arizona St, Washington?, and us, maybe. I want it to be clear that we are better than USC, OSU, and Wazzu. That would be a successful season, in my book.
    If it isn't clear by the end of the year that we are significantly better than USC, OSU, and WSU then I will be wildly disappointed. What I really want is for us to find a way to elbow ahead of a couple in that next group and slip into the #7 spot. I'm just afraid the WSU loss may prevent us from edging out UW and ASU.

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    I'm starting to think that Utah, BYU and Utah State might all end up in the NIT this year, which could prove interesting should any of those schools face each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    If it isn't clear by the end of the year that we are significantly better than USC, OSU, and WSU then I will be wildly disappointed. What I really want is for us to find a way to elbow ahead of a couple in that next group and slip into the #7 spot. I'm just afraid the WSU loss may prevent us from edging out UW and ASU.
    Really, at the start of the year you thought we would be far ahead of those teams? You have more foresight than I do.

    I think we can catch UW or ASU - it's all about road wins in this league. We have none (and one home loss); UW has one road win (ASU); ASU has one road win (USC) and one home loss (UW). We need to handle our business at home, more or less, and steal a few on the road. That should be the goal of this team: protect your house.

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