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  1. #751
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Well, who really cares anyway? On the scale of offenses Travis' transgression seems laughably minor to me. Underage drinking was rampant in Utah during my high school and college years and I doubt that has changed much. Also, I have been out of the state since 1982, but I don't recall law enforcement offers patrolling concerts or similar events, on the lookout for underage drinkers. How recent is that approach?
    I agree that Travis' issue is minor - I believe I said as much in my post.

  2. #752
    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    We can't mock cheapskate BYU Fan for trying to sidestep concessions at LES by having Mrs. BYU Fan smuggle in food for their six kids if we have Ute fans who are too miserly to buy the starting QB of their favorite team a beer of his own, instead bogarting out "sips".
    That would be a violation (I kid, but only a little)
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  3. #753
    Quote Originally Posted by kccougar View Post
    In the 17 cities in 7 different states in which I've lived
    Neither your protestations nor your boardname can fool me. Admit it, you're reading this while in line at a Provo Cafe Rio.

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    I think we need the football season to start.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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  5. #755
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    According to an account I saw, at the concert Ute fans swarmed Travis and offered him sips of a beer. He took some. No belligerence or disorderliness. The alcohol cops who (as Diehard has told us) patrol these events saw that Travis didn't have a "21 and over" wristband and cited him. (Again, to me this type of law enforcement attention to underage drinking is pretty surprising.) My guess: Whit will call Travis on the carpet but no disciplinary action.
    Judging by the typical Tim McGraw concert goer demographic and my wife's reaction to the summer conditioning photo, I have a pretty good idea of what kind of Ute fans were offering TW sips of their drinks.

  6. #756
    I think the Fresno game will be very competitive. Here is what they are writing about Fresno:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...dule/12906675/

  7. #757
    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I think the Fresno game will be very competitive. Here is what they are writing about Fresno:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...dule/12906675/
    I hate the Fresno game. Fresno has USC, Utah, and Nebraska OOC. They are going to be dying for a BCS win, and we are the target. That kind of motivation matters. It's a game we have to win, and I think we will. But it's no gimmie.

  8. #758
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I hate the Fresno game. Fresno has USC, Utah, and Nebraska OOC. They are going to be dying for a BCS win, and we are the target. That kind of motivation matters. It's a game we have to win, and I think we will. But it's no gimmie.
    agreed. I hate that we traded my favorite win of the year I'm byu for a tough out with Fresno. Meh.

  9. #759
    Piper says Wallace Gonzalez:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecr...z%20III-105546

    just joined the Utes after spending 3 years in minor league baseball. I don't want to overreact, but I'm pinning all my hopes of getting back to a bowl game on this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Piper says Wallace Gonzalez:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecr...z%20III-105546

    just joined the Utes after spending 3 years in minor league baseball. I don't want to overreact, but I'm pinning all my hopes of getting back to a bowl game on this guy.
    Well, it seems like every year Whit comes up with someone like Andy Phillips -- an unlikely star player who shows up out of nowhere. I wonder who will be this year's Andy?

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

  11. #761
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Piper says Wallace Gonzalez:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecr...z%20III-105546

    just joined the Utes after spending 3 years in minor league baseball. I don't want to overreact, but I'm pinning all my hopes of getting back to a bowl game on this guy.
    Yes! Aiona Key 2.0!
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  12. #762
    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Piper says Wallace Gonzalez:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecr...z%20III-105546

    just joined the Utes after spending 3 years in minor league baseball. I don't want to overreact, but I'm pinning all my hopes of getting back to a bowl game on this guy.
    WGIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's got the best nickname on the team.

  13. #763
    I think our depth personnel this year across the board with the exception of DL. However the biggest key to getting more wins will be if these stats are different:

    Total Offensive Plays: Utah 864 Opposition 887
    Interceptions: Utah 21 Opposition 3
    Fumbles/Lost: Utah 13/4 Opposition 25/13

    Turnover margin: -9.

    Since joining the PAC 12, here is our record with different turnover margins:

    +3 or greater 6-0

    +2 3-1 (loss USC)
    +1 6-2 (loss CU and UA)
    even 3-4 (loss USC, UCLA, WSU, UA)
    -1 0-4 (loss USU, Wash, Ore, ASU)
    -2
    -3 0-8

    I'm not going to make predictions and say that we will win a certain number of games if we can do X with turnovers, but the history is pretty telling. We have a great chance to win when we win the turnover battle.

  14. #764
    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    That's fine. I'll take a notch below. We lost to OSU and ASu by 4 points. We lost to UCLA because of 6 TO's. Our defense destroyed USC and ASU, and USC loses Lee and ASU loses their whole defense. Literally, their whole defense.

    We lost to WSU because Schulz threw 2 pick sixes.

    We could have easily had 9 wins last year.

    So, give me a better QB, better RB's, better WR's, better LB'ers, better secondary, better coaches, AND and easier schedule, even if only a notch easier, and we will be bowling again.

    Everyone is WAY too down on this program. WAY too down. We are not a bad football team at all. We had a walk-on QB. That was our problem. Sure, if the OL was better, maybe Wilson doesn't get hurt, but that doesn't change the fact that we had a WALK-ON as our starter.

    That's it. That's the difference between 7-8 wins and 5. Adam Schulz.

    Like I said before, if we had a PAC-12 level backup QB, we beat ASU and WSU. That right there puts us at 7 wins. 8 for the season, because we would have destroyed CSU.

    Like I stated before:

    Improved(QB+RB+WR+LB+DB+COACHES)+Plateaued(DL+OL)-Schedule difficulty= > or = bowl game.
    Just being a zoob.

  15. #765
    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    Wilson has another year of experience. Our backups are four 3-4 star guys, not walk-ons. It is significantly better. Wilson is much better than last fall, which is pretty impressive, because he was pretty damn good last year.

    He is quicker, a little faster, and has a semi-touch pass instead of the rifle-pass-deflected-for-an-INT. Not huge changes, but if you have a guy that can beat the #5 team in the country, do you really need him to leaps and bounds better? Nope. You need him to make better decisions and stay healthy. The first problem is usually fixed by experience, which Travis has.
    La la land for me.

  16. #766
    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    I don't get this. We went 5-7 against the hardest schedule we have ever had. Our schedule won't be as tough this year. Fresno isn't as good as Utah State. Michigan and BYU are a wash. ASU loses their whole defense. UCLA loses Barr. OSU loses Cook. We get WSU, Arizona, USC and Oregon at home. Heck, just the law of averages says that a couple of teams we face won't end up as good.

    Our secondary is much better. Our LB's are better. Our RB's are better. Our WR's are better. Our TE's are pretty equal. Our DL is, at worst, the same. QB is better.

    OL is the only position of real worry, and at worst, it is the same as last year.

    So, easier schedule + better team + better QB + better coaches = less wins?

    Doesn't compute for me. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    La la land for me.
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    Ha.
    Let your freak flag fly brother! Go
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  18. #768
    This may or may not be news, but according to the notes in the Trib, Logan Stott quit the team, and is moving on from football.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  19. #769
    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    This may or may not be news, but according to the notes in the Trib, Logan Stott quit the team, and is moving on from football.
    I was just discussing him this weekend. I always thought there was something off there with the way he left Arizona. Too bad, we could have used him.

  20. #770
    Uaea Masina (backup linebacker) is out for the season with an arm injury: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...rm-injury.html

    He hasn't been a huge contributor since Paul came back, but we basically have zero backups at this point. Here's to hoping Whittingham and/or Hale get back soon.

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    Is it just me, or are Piper and Goon just killing their competition in Ute coverage?

    ESPN's metrics rate Utah's special teams as nation's best
    Published on Oct 11, 2014 07:14PM

    After reading our story on Utah's special teams excellence, ESPN Stats & Analysis Division Manager Mike Wilson has been kind enough to provide a little more context.

    Utah's special teams, by ESPN's measurements, are the best in the nation this year, and have been among the best for a while.

    ESPN's statisticians estimate that Andy Phillips, Tom Hackett, Kaelin Clay and Co. have contributed 7.8 added points per game - compared to an average team's group - this season.

    That number takes into account strength of schedule. The top five heading into this week's games were as follows:

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsutahsports/58511748-59/espn-utah-special-teams.html.csp

    1. Utah » (4-1), 7.78
    2. Temple » (3-1), 7.05
    3. Texas A&M » (5-1), 5.14
    4. BYU » (4-1), 5.12
    5. Maryland » (4-2), 4.94

    Since 2004, when ESPN began keeping track, the Utah has averaged 2.17 expected points added per game by specialists, Wilson said. That ranks seventh, behind (in order) Florida State (2.91), Florida, LSU, Ohio State, Kansas State and Miami.

    More ESPN efficiency statistics are available here.

    This article explains the expected points added methodology.

    - Matthew Piper

    mpiper@sltrib.com

    Twitter: @matthew_piper

    *****

    Link:

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsut...teams.html.csp

    Last edited by LA Ute; 10-12-2014 at 03:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Is it just me, or are Piper and Goon just killing their competition in Ute coverage?
    The quality has definitely improved.

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    Absolutely.

    OHTH, while scanning through UFN, I noticed ute2004 is back and being his same old ill-behaved self -- now that Utah has beaten UCLA. Hope he doesn't comeback to here and make this place cantankerous.


    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    The quality has definitely improved.

  24. #774
    Not sure if this has been posted, but the game time is set for the USC game: 10:00 PM EST. I wonder if they'd do a blackout for this one?
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  25. #775
    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Not sure if this has been posted, but the game time is set for the USC game: 10:00 PM EST. I wonder if they'd do a blackout for this one?
    I hate the late night games - we need more of the 4PM PT kickoffs.

  26. #776
    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I hate the late night games - we need more of the 4PM PT kickoffs.
    Me too...that's three straight games with the 10 PM Slot. Of course, if we win this week maybe it's our "lucky" time slot.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Not sure if this has been posted, but the game time is set for the USC game: 10:00 PM EST. I wonder if they'd do a blackout for this one?
    It has already been confirmed, Utah will be having a black out for their home game against USC.
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  28. #778
    Quote Originally Posted by SigmaUte View Post
    It has already been confirmed, Utah will be having a black out for their home game against USC.
    This is going to be a fun environment. Especially if we beat Oregon St. this Thursday night. The black out USC game is one that you want to have recruits at. It is going to be fun.

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    I'm coming up for the SC game. I guess at 8:00 p.m. on a late October night I'm going to have to wear more than my short-sleeved black Ute polo.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

  30. #780
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I'm coming up for the SC game. I guess at 8:00 p.m. on a late October night I'm going to have to wear more than my short-sleeved black Ute polo.
    You have black Ute gear!!!!??!

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