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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Lunch View Post
    I really, really hope not. They need to decided on one at least 10 days prior to the first game so he and the team knows who the guy will be.
    DC has publicly said 7-10 days before the first game is when he'll pick the starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Lunch View Post
    I am assuming that we saw the same film on Thompson recently. Loved what I saw. Like you said, he is an athletic quarterback that is not a running q.b. One of the best things to have in college football is a Q.B. that can extend plays with his legs. Travis wasn't bad at this, he actually runs very good for his height. It just took him a minute to get going. He isn't as quick as Thompson. Thompson's quickness is what will help him extend plays better. Especially with the suspect O line that we have right now.

    The Q.B. battle in the fall is going to be a good one. I for one think that this position battle is going to be a tight one and will not be surprised at all if Thompson comes out as our starter.
    I agree. We FINALLY will have a legit BCS backup QB. I'm not so much worried about who wins the job, I think we see both this year because neither one has shown that they can stay healthy. The good news is, when the backup comes in this year when we are 4-2, we won't take a HUGE step back like the last couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
    I realize that it is all speculation at this point, but do you (or anyone) think that the coaches may split quarters in the first game or two to see who is the better QB in a live game, or do you think the coaches will have a clear cut #1 coming out of fall camp?
    I bet they do this. Probably even the second game as well.

    Let's be real here. There is next to no chance we lose either of the first two games, even with Schulz as our QB. I bet they split reps games 1 and 2, start off 2-0, make Michigan guess who our starting QB is, decide on a starter at the end of the Fresno game, then give him two weeks with the #1 reps for the Michigan game.

    That is what I see happening.

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    Didn't DC also say that he wants a mobile QB for his offence? This is where I think that Thompson has the edge. If he comes in and at least matches TW in practice, I have to think that he is a lock to start. Am I wrong? Also I wonder how much DC wanting to build his offense up his own way factors into the decision? Thompson stated in an interview that he played in what is essentially DC's offense in HS. This info also has me thinking that unless he stinks it up in fall camp, Thompson has a real edge. Again, am I off on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wally View Post
    Also I wonder how much DC wanting to build his offense up his own way factors into the decision?
    DC better temper this desire with the realization that if we don't win this year, he may not be around long enough to build his offense his own way.

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    It will be really hard for Thompson to beat out Wilson. Wilson has two years experience, team captain, team lives him, tough, gets in fights with Gionni Paul, etc.

    If Thompson beats him out, Thompson will be really, really good.

    Also, if DC really prefers Thompson, it wouldn't surprise me if those two split reps the first two games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
    I realize that it is all speculation at this point, but do you (or anyone) think that the coaches may split quarters in the first game or two to see who is the better QB in a live game, or do you think the coaches will have a clear cut #1 coming out of fall camp?
    I have no idea what could've prompted such a topic. Travis Wilson is our clear-cut No. 1 QB right now. Short of injury, he will be our No. 1 going into and out of fall camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    I wonder why we all see Wilson so differently? Is it bias? We remember all of Wilson's I completes but no one else's?

    Every practice report I read/heard yesterday said Wilson shined.

    LA Ute saw something different. It's just interesting, that's all.

    In other related news, I saw more film on Thompson. I can see why the coaches will give him every opportunity to win the job. The kid is athletic, but the most exciting part is that he isn't a running QB.

    I was very impressed with his pocket awareness, footwork in the pocket, ability to take a step or two to avoid the rush, then gather and throw a very accurate pass. I'm a big Wilson fan, but if Thompson wins the job, we will be very, very good next year. Like 8+ wins with a chance to win the south the following year (2015).
    My concern about Wilson is that last year he forced some throw, some led to INTs, some he got away with. I hope he can fix that. If he can, he should be the starter -- assuming he is cleared medically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USS Utah View Post
    My concern about Wilson is that last year he forced some throw, some led to INTs, some he got away with. I hope he can fix that. If he can, he should be the starter -- assuming he is cleared medically.
    Big concern. I keep telling myself that "he was only a sophomore, he was only a sophomore." A lot of growing up can happen between the SO and JR years.

    Also, some of those throws were 100 mph fastballs that were unnecessary that led to tipped balls, which led to INT's. It looks like he is starting to take some off the ball on some of those throws this spring.

    He has improved a lot already.

    Like I've said 100 times, it will be very, very hard for Thompson to win the job, and if he does, get very, very excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    I have no idea what could've prompted such a topic. Travis Wilson is our clear-cut No. 1 QB right now. Short of injury, he will be our No. 1 going into and out of fall camp.
    Both Whitt and DC have said on the radio this week that Thompson will get the majority of the #1 reps the first week in fall camp to see what they have in him.

    Travis is our #1, and I fully expect him to be our starter, but it sounds like Thompson will be given every opportunity to take the job away from Wilson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    The Oline is only part of the problem, though. The line can't contain blitz after blitz of 5-7 rushers, which is what we saw in the 2nd half of the season last year. To make defenses play honestly, we need the right plan. Then we need a QB who can recognize, RBs who can pick up, WRs who can make plays, and a QB/WR connection. In other words, it was the entire offense that was failing, not just the offensive line.

    I have hope that our screen game can improve again. It was awful two years ago, and it was up to average last year. I also hope that Kenny Scott's presence will make out-all, non-stop blitzing too dangerous for defenses. And finally, I hope that our Pac-12 brothers suffer the same LB injuries that we are having.
    Totally agree. I think the significance of K Scott's injury is a little underappreciated. We simply did not have a physical possession receiver on the team last year. If Wilson is countering those blitzes with quick slants to Scott, a guy who has good hands and knows how to use his body to protect the ball, we wind up with completions instead of interceptions off our receivers hands.

    Wilson seems to have a very strong connection with Dres right now, and is also targeting Tonga pretty well (ditto on losing Murphy as a big reason Wilson struggled). What I really hope is that when Scott comes back to full activity, Wilson develops a similar rapport with him. That's going to be the key to limiting TW's interceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    I have no idea what could've prompted such a topic. Travis Wilson is our clear-cut No. 1 QB right now. Short of injury, he will be our No. 1 going into and out of fall camp.
    I think it is because Hot Lunch is like the E. F. Hutton of Football on this message board. When he talks, people listen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Lunch View Post
    I am assuming that we saw the same film on Thompson recently. Loved what I saw. Like you said, he is an athletic quarterback that is not a running q.b. One of the best things to have in college football is a Q.B. that can extend plays with his legs. Travis wasn't bad at this, he actually runs very good for his height. It just took him a minute to get going. He isn't as quick as Thompson. Thompson's quickness is what will help him extend plays better. Especially with the suspect O line that we have right now.

    The Q.B. battle in the fall is going to be a good one. I for one think that this position battle is going to be a tight one and will not be surprised at all if Thompson comes out as our starter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    I think it is because Hot Lunch is like the E. F. Hutton of Football on this message board. When he talks, people listen.
    Does that make me the Grandpa Simpson of football on this message board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrj84105 View Post
    Totally agree. I think the significance of K Scott's injury is a little underappreciated. We simply did not have a physical possession receiver on the team last year. If Wilson is countering those blitzes with quick slants to Scott, a guy who has good hands and knows how to use his body to protect the ball, we wind up with completions instead of interceptions off our receivers hands.

    Wilson seems to have a very strong connection with Dres right now, and is also targeting Tonga pretty well (ditto on losing Murphy as a big reason Wilson struggled). What I really hope is that when Scott comes back to full activity, Wilson develops a similar rapport with him. That's going to be the key to limiting TW's interceptions.
    Scott's injury alone last year cost us at least two wins last year. Maybe 3. With a healthy Kenneth Scott last year, Utah could have been an 8 win team. Oregon St., UCLA, Arizona and Arizon St. could have all been changed by having his presence on the field Kenneth Scott. He was that missed on offense.

    Defenses quickly figured out that they could play extremely physical with Dres and cheat the safety to his side because they didn't have to respect the other side of the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    I wonder why we all see Wilson so differently? Is it bias? We remember all of Wilson's I completes but no one else's?

    Every practice report I read/heard yesterday said Wilson shined.

    LA Ute saw something different. It's just interesting, that's all.
    I'm just a fan and only played high school football, so what I say about Wilson isn't terribly important. I just saw throws behind the receiver and several "sacks" (they can't touch the QB so the play stops when the defense gets close enough to touch). I don't necessarily blame him for the sacks, and the throws behind the receivers may have been because of poor route-running. I was there from 4:00 to 5:00 and Travis was not having a lot of success during that hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I'm just a fan and only played high school football, so what I say about Wilson isn't terribly important. I just saw throws behind the receiver and several "sacks" (they can't touch the QB so the play stops when the defense gets close enough to touch). I don't necessarily blame him for the sacks, and the throws behind the receivers may have been because of poor route-running. I was there from 4:00 to 5:00 and Travis was not having a lot of success during that hour.
    Oh, it's fine. I wasn't singling you out in particular, you just happened to be the one to post.

    Just an observation I'd had recently. You listen to reporters, coaches and the such, and you here a lot of good about Wilson. You then listen to fans, and you hear very few good things about him. I'm just curious if we just remember the bad with him, and not with the other QB's because of the last two games he played in last year (and the UCLA game), or if we just love the backup QB, or if the media/coaches are just blowing smoke, and come this fall it will be Thompson/Manning 1 and 2.

    Just thinking out loud I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    Just an observation I'd had recently. You listen to reporters, coaches and the such, and you here a lot of good about Wilson. You then listen to fans, and you hear very few good things about him. I'm just curious if we just remember the bad with him, and not with the other QB's because of the last two games he played in last year (and the UCLA game), or if we just love the backup QB, or if the media/coaches are just blowing smoke, and come this fall it will be Thompson/Manning 1 and 2.
    I'm on the Wilson bandwagon. I was a skeptic, but I jumped on after the OSU game last year, and I never left. That said, there are many QBs in the conference that are better.

    Pac-12 QB power rankings:

    1) Mariotta
    2) Hundley
    3) Mannion
    4) Kelly
    5) Halliday
    6) Hagan
    7) Kessler
    8) Wilson
    9) Goff
    10) Lindquist
    11) Whoever starts at Zona
    12) Whoever starts at CU

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    I'd put Wilson #5.

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    What did we learn from spring practice? I hope the coaches have a better feel for it than I do because IMO there are more questions now than there were going into the spring. I don't see this team winning 6 games and going to a bowl game. I really hope I am wrong, but right now there are too many question marks for me to predict a winning record.


    QB - This is the position that will make or break this season and unfortunately there are still a lot of unanswered questions. Wilson looks like he will enter fall camp as the starter but, IMO, this is due more to the fact that nobody really stepped up than it is due to stellar play by Wilson. IMO, he still holds the ball too long resulting in covered receivers, makes poor reads and is too often inaccurate. He is tough and can use his feet to get yards when he runs but not to move into the pocket to make throws. Manning was a little better than Schulz, but was still behind Wilson. Schulz is still the same guy and Cox does not seem to be in the picture at all.


    RB - This group shows the most promise. Poole, Booker, McCormick and Young all showed ability. Lucky will add to the mix and provide a very flexible stable of running backs.


    WR - This group is more dynamic than a year ago. It will be nice to have Dres and Scott together and there is better depth.


    TE - Another strong group. Tonga, Fakalaitonga and Handley have all done well and Moeai has stepped up.


    OL - Still an unknown. I think Aiono and Salt will be solid. Poutasi and Asiata will be improved. Unfortunately question marks abound after these four.


    DT - Tough to get a read without Ianu, Tevi and Seni mostly out. It appears that Mokofisi, Fanaika and Dimick can play supporting roles.


    DE - We know Orchard can play. Mokofisi, Fanaika and Dimick can rotate in an out and Pita can be a strong pass rusher. Still a lot of guys need to step up.


    LB - A lot weaker today with the Hale and Paul injuries and Whittingham still recovering. Three healthy scholarship LB’s in Norris, Masina and recently converted RB Sanders-Williams. This group scares me.


    S - Blechen is a known commodity and while many think he is great, I for one have always thought he was heavily overrated. Depending on Carter to step in and start is a real gamble. The backups are Henderson, who can hit, and Corporan who just moved from corner. Scarey thin at safety.


    CB - This is the other position that I think solidified itself in spring. With Rowe, Orphey, Porter, Freeman and Smith, it is a deep group with some ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    What did we learn from spring practice? I hope the coaches have a better feel for it than I do because IMO there are more questions now than there were going into the spring. I don't see this team winning 6 games and going to a bowl game. I really hope I am wrong, but right now there are too many question marks for me to predict a winning record.


    QB - This is the position that will make or break this season and unfortunately there are still a lot of unanswered questions. Wilson looks like he will enter fall camp as the starter but, IMO, this is due more to the fact that nobody really stepped up than it is due to stellar play by Wilson. IMO, he still holds the ball too long resulting in covered receivers, makes poor reads and is too often inaccurate. He is tough and can use his feet to get yards when he runs but not to move into the pocket to make throws. Manning was a little better than Schulz, but was still behind Wilson. Schulz is still the same guy and Cox does not seem to be in the picture at all.


    RB - This group shows the most promise. Poole, Booker, McCormick and Young all showed ability. Lucky will add to the mix and provide a very flexible stable of running backs.


    WR - This group is more dynamic than a year ago. It will be nice to have Dres and Scott together and there is better depth.


    TE - Another strong group. Tonga, Fakalaitonga and Handley have all done well and Moeai has stepped up.


    OL - Still an unknown. I think Aiono and Salt will be solid. Poutasi and Asiata will be improved. Unfortunately question marks abound after these four.


    DT - Tough to get a read without Ianu, Tevi and Seni mostly out. It appears that Mokofisi, Fanaika and Dimick can play supporting roles.


    DE - We know Orchard can play. Mokofisi, Fanaika and Dimick can rotate in an out and Pita can be a strong pass rusher. Still a lot of guys need to step up.


    LB - A lot weaker today with the Hale and Paul injuries and Whittingham still recovering. Three healthy scholarship LB’s in Norris, Masina and recently converted RB Sanders-Williams. This group scares me.


    S - Blechen is a known commodity and while many think he is great, I for one have always thought he was heavily overrated. Depending on Carter to step in and start is a real gamble. The backups are Henderson, who can hit, and Corporan who just moved from corner. Scarey thin at safety.


    CB - This is the other position that I think solidified itself in spring. With Rowe, Orphey, Porter, Freeman and Smith, it is a deep group with some ability.
    Oh, well. I'm looking forward to basketball season and thinking maybe the football team will pleasantly surprise us. (Notice the absence of the word "hoping" in that last sentence.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    QB - This is the position that will make or break this season
    It's still a team sport. Hagan is not much better than Wilson, but Stanford has been a national title contender twice with him. Washington and Arizona both went to bowl games last season with so-so qbs and great rbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    It's still a team sport. Hagan is not much better than Wilson, but Stanford has been a national title contender twice with him. Washington and Arizona both went to bowl games last season with so-so qbs and great rbs.

    If there were no question marks at any of the other positions, particularly OL, I would agree. The difference I see this year compared to years past is that there are questions at almost every defensive position group. We will be relying on young, untested guys or guys returning from fairly serious surgery. We probably won't know much about this team until after the Fresno and Michigan, and WSU games. Fresno loses a lot of talent, but they are not a slouch. We will need to play well to beat them. We need to come out of that opening stretch at least 3-1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Lunch View Post
    Scott's injury alone last year cost us at least two wins last year. Maybe 3. With a healthy Kenneth Scott last year, Utah could have been an 8 win team. Oregon St., UCLA, Arizona and Arizon St. could have all been changed by having his presence on the field Kenneth Scott. He was that missed on offense.

    Defenses quickly figured out that they could play extremely physical with Dres and cheat the safety to his side because they didn't have to respect the other side of the field.
    Exactly this. I was also really impressed with Hatfield's hands. I think he's another improvement in the WR group. I'm not convincd that TE play will equal Murphy's but at least we have some depth. I don't get too excited about the immediate impact of transfers, but I do think Clay, if he arrives, could provide a much needed spark on ST. It's going to be a fun season, and I think people will be surprised by a few familiar faces: Blechen, Wilson, Poutasi.

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    One thing to remember, is that every team in the PAC-12 changes every year. ASU lost 9 of their top 11 tacklers. Arizona lost their QB and RB, and are currently trying to decide between 4 QB's. Usually that doesn't mean that they have 4 future NFL guys. Stanford is replacing a lot on their OL, their RB, LB'ers and a lot off their DL. USC is going from a traditional pro-style offense for the past million years to the GFGH offense. With little depth. OSU loses Cook, who made Mannion look really, really good. Michigan will have 4 new starters on OL and 4 new starters on DL, plus a new QB, RB and secondary (we've seen how well those seasons go). Fresno St loses a NFL QB.

    UCLA and Oregon are pretty much the only teams taking steps forward this year...and us. We have better depth at QB, HB, WR, LB, and secondary.

    Go ahead and be glass half empty, guys. But, this fall will be an exciting fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    One thing to remember, is that every team in the PAC-12 changes every year. ASU lost 9 of their top 11 tacklers. Arizona lost their QB and RB, and are currently trying to decide between 4 QB's. Usually that doesn't mean that they have 4 future NFL guys. Stanford is replacing a lot on their OL, their RB, LB'ers and a lot off their DL. USC is going from a traditional pro-style offense for the past million years to the GFGH offense. With little depth. OSU loses Cook, who made Mannion look really, really good. Michigan will have 4 new starters on OL and 4 new starters on DL, plus a new QB, RB and secondary (we've seen how well those seasons go). Fresno St loses a NFL QB.

    UCLA and Oregon are pretty much the only teams taking steps forward this year...and us. We have better depth at QB, HB, WR, LB, and secondary.

    Go ahead and be glass half empty, guys. But, this fall will be an exciting fall.
    You keep talking about better depth at LB and the secondary, but I think Uteopia is spot on--those areas are HUGE concerns. The defense has a ton of question marks: I think Whit is a defensive witch, but he has a lot of holes to fill.

    Of course, all of that is moot if the QB and O-line don't noticeably improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    You keep talking about better depth at LB and the secondary, but I think Uteopia is spot on--those areas are HUGE concerns. The defense has a ton of question marks: I think Whit is a defensive witch, but he has a lot of holes to fill.

    Of course, all of that is moot if the QB and O-line don't noticeably improve.
    Our LB situation is the most depressing. We went from being justifiably very confident about our prospects there to being justifiably worried about them. I understood from what I heard at practice that Gionni Paul probably won't be able to play until October. I hope we have some unexpected depth there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Our LB situation is the most depressing. We went from being justifiably very confident about our prospects there to being justifiably worried about them. I understood from what I heard at practice that Gionni Paul probably won't be able to play until October. I hope we have some unexpected depth there.
    The coaches have since said Paul's injury was best care scenario and they hope he'll be back for fall camp. No guarantee on that, but there's a bit of hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    If there were no question marks at any of the other positions, particularly OL, I would agree. The difference I see this year compared to years past is that there are questions at almost every defensive position group. We will be relying on young, untested guys or guys returning from fairly serious surgery. We probably won't know much about this team until after the Fresno and Michigan, and WSU games. Fresno loses a lot of talent, but they are not a slouch. We will need to play well to beat them. We need to come out of that opening stretch at least 3-1.
    Agree. I'm just saying that our success/failure depends on much more than just the QB position. Will we will have even one preseaon all-conference player? Question marks all over the place. Still, sometimes questions are answered in the affirmative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    The coaches have since said Paul's injury was best care scenario and they hope he'll be back for fall camp. No guarantee on that, but there's a bit of hope.
    Believe me, I hope you're right.

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    I predict we see 4 QBs play vs Idaho St. Then we'll see at least 2 play against Fresno St. Then the bye week will determine who will be the starter vs Michigan. Really there was no reason to keeps Schulz in the fourth quarter vs Weber St last year, other than they wanted to redshirt the other QBs.

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