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    I think his seat is pretty cold.and I am ecstatic about how tough this team is. And resilient. But he has got to get the offense figured out. We can't go on like this year after year. Has there ever been a quarterback who developed and became better after he arrived at the U? Other than Alex and BJ of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I think his seat is pretty cold.and I am ecstatic about how tough this team is. And resilient. But he has got to get the office figured out. We can't go on like this year after year. Has there ever been a quarterback who developed and became better after he arrived at the U? Other than Alex and BJ of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I think his seat is pretty cold.and I am ecstatic about how tough this team is. And resilient. But he has got to get the office figured out. We can't go on like this year after year. Has there ever been a quarterback who developed and became better after he arrived at the U? Other than Alex and BJ of course.
    BJ at mid-season 2008 -- recall an offense that struggled at home against Oregon State -- was getting a lot of flack from the at least a portion of the fanbase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USS Utah View Post
    BJ at mid-season 2008 -- recall an offense that struggled at home against Oregon State -- was getting a lot of flack from the at least a portion of the fanbase.
    I remember him getting lots of flack over both his junior and senior years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I remember him getting lots of flack over both his junior and senior years.
    Wasn't he 5-5 when he got hurt vs. UNM? Ratliff came in and beat BYU that year...if I have my seasons right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Wasn't he 5-5 when he got hurt vs. UNM? Ratliff came in and beat BYU that year...if I have my seasons right.
    I remember lots of people (including me) wondering if he had the killer instinct (it turned out he did) and why he always seemed to have happy feet. He got better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Wasn't he 5-5 when he got hurt vs. UNM? Ratliff came in and beat BYU that year...if I have my seasons right.
    That was his true soph year.
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  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawminator View Post
    This is at best a very ignorant comment; at worst pretty damn stupid.

    Utah would suck to this day if it weren't for Mac. No Urban Meyer, no Fiesta Bowl, No Sugar Bowl, no 34-31, no Kyle Whittingham and very likely no PAC 12. I get that MAC had his weaknesses as a coach, but lets try to be responsible and show even the tiniest smidgens of gratitude for saving the football program.

    Who knows, if he inherited what he left to Meyer back in 1990, maybe we are talking about a few special years.
    This is like saying had there been no Middle Ages after the fall of Rome there would have been no Renaissance, no Enlightenment, and no America. It's hard to argue with what actually happened. But hell, wasn't there a more direct way? Actually, you can look at it the other way and say the fact there was ancient Greece and ancient Rome and there is now modern Europe and the United States shows that the Middle Ages really underacheived.

    I was born in 1958, I have been a diehard ute fan since I was six, and I did not see them win an outright football championship until Urban Meyer in 2003. That's unacceptable. They were a big fish in a small pond and should have been dominating the WAC and MWC like they ultimately did, and like Arizona State did before it went to the pac 12.

    I've been consistent. Clear back when Matt had his board, and in the early days of Webmonkey's board, I said I didn't like Mac. I always felt his teams were undisciplined, and underachieving. yes, he was a friend, the players' asshole buddy. Look what he did at Weber. Nothing. I wanted him fired five years before it happened. He was a mediocre coach. Better than Tom Lovat and the others, yes. But we deserved much more, and history says I'm right. Thank God Chris Hill finally fired him or we'd still be in the MWC.

    By the way, I've been consistent in defending Whit and saying it's ludicrous to say he's on the hot seat and I defended Majerus until the bitter end, after LA and SoCal and most everyone else abandoned him. I love our current basketball coach. Mac, not so much. And yes, I loath Boylen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    This is like saying had there been no Middle Ages after the fall of Rome there would have been no Renaissance, no Enlightenment, and no America. It's hard to argue with what actually happened. But hell, wasn't there a more direct way? Actually, you can look at it the other way and say the fact there was ancient Greece and ancient Rome and there is now modern Europe and the United States shows that the Middle Ages really underacheived.

    I was born in 1958, I have been a diehard ute fan since I was six, and I did not see them win an outright football championship until Urban Meyer in 2003. That's unacceptable. They were a big fish in a small pond and should have been dominating the WAC and MWC like they ultimately did, and like Arizona State did before it went to the pac 12.

    I've been consistent. Clear back when Matt had his board, and in the early days of Webmonkey's board, I said I didn't like Mac. I always felt his teams were undisciplined, and underachieving. yes, he was a friend, the players' asshole buddy. Look what he did at Weber. Nothing. I wanted him fired five years before it happened. He was a mediocre coach. Better than Tom Lovat and the others, yes. But we deserved much more, and history says I'm right. Thank God Chris Hill finally fired him or we'd still be in the MWC.

    By the way, I've been consistent in defending Whit and saying it's ludicrous to say he's on the hot seat and I defended Majerus until the bitter end, after LA and SoCal and most everyone else abandoned him. I love our current basketball coach. Mac, not so much. And yes, I loath Boylen.
    Congratulations on being consistently stupid regarding Mac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawminator View Post
    Congratulations on being consistently stupid regarding Mac.
    Congratulations on being consistently insipid regarding Mac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    By the way, I've been consistent in defending Whit and saying it's ludicrous to say he's on the hot seat and I defended Majerus until the bitter end, after LA and SoCal and most everyone else abandoned him.
    Wow. You think these loyalties to certain Utah coaches are shining examples of your Ute fandom? And you think they have something to do with AJ's perfectly unoffensive comment that watching this year's Ute team reminds him of Mac's teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Wow. You think these loyalties to certain Utah coaches are shining examples of your Ute fandom? And you think they have something to do with AJ's perfectly unoffensive comment that watching this year's Ute team reminds him of Mac's teams?
    I didn't make that argument. I only described my Ute fandom for background. I do think my judgments of these coaches have been sound, regardless of my fandom.
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    I don't know how anyone can call Kyle's offenses anything other than frustrating to watch.

    I also don't know how anyone can call kyle's seat anything but cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    I didn't make that argument. I only described my Ute fandom for background. I do think my judgments of these coaches have been sound, regardless of my fandom.
    Reasonable and knowledgeable fans have had questions about whether Kyle has what it takes to succeed in the PAC-12. The same was true of the question whether it was time for Majerus to move on. (Think runnutz on both questions.) If you have thought differently that means you simply had a different view. It's not a mark of Ute fan sagacity or virtue. Or am I reading you incorrectly?

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    I expect us to resign Coach Whitt. The players obviously love him and are fighting for him. I personally love the toughness the Utes are displaying this year, if only we had a passing game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Reasonable and knowledgeable fans have had questions about whether Kyle has what it takes to succeed in the PAC-12. The same was true of the question whether it was time for Majerus to move on. (Think runnutz on both questions.) If you have thought differently that means you simply had a different view. It's not a mark of Ute fan sagacity or virtue. Or am I reading you incorrectly?
    I never questioned your ute fandom virtue. I did question your sagacity about Kyle and Rick in the past. But hHere I was just making the point that nowithstanding my dislike for Boylen and opinion that Mac is overrated, I'm not a knee jerk fire the coach fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    I never questioned your ute fandom virtue. I did question your sagacity about Kyle and Rick in the past. But hHere I was just making the point that nowithstanding my dislike for Boylen and opinion that Mac is overrated, I'm not a knee jerk fire the coach fan.
    Stipulated.

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    Guess who's on the Bear Bryant Coach of the Year Watch List?

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...ch-watch-list/

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    I move to suspend this thread...or delete the m-fer all together!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    I move to suspend this thread...or delete the m-fer all together!
    Second!

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    I love you Kyle!
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    He is off the hot seat. He may even get an extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    He is off the hot seat. He may even get an extension.

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    Is that Funk driving JiC's train?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    He is off the hot seat. He may even get an extension.

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    Though some of it was self inflicted (ok, a lot) he gets big credit for weathering the storm. House money the rest of the way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    I move to suspend this thread...or delete the m-fer all together!
    Now it's just The Kyle Whittingham Thread. How's that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Now it's just The Kyle Whittingham Thread. How's that?
    Yes. Good work.
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    Here's an impressive video from last night. This stuff is priceless. Whitt has mastered the motivational speech.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfhdEpPBQps

    1. Impressive that this got put together this quickly. Invaluable, for recruiting, for cohesion, all the way around. It makes *me* want to run through a wall for Whitt. (OK, that's a blatant exaggeration. I would run through a shower curtain maybe, if I knew what was on the other side.)

    2. I actually found this gem on Cougarboard, where a longtime Y fan was alerting that crowd that Utah is pulling away, that "true BYU blue" family kids where watching this video on an iPad, at church, and *they* were stoked. "We are losing the new generation" (paraphrase).

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    Since it now appears that Utah has found a way to win conference games... Kyle deserves to be off the hook. We need to be able to keep at it.

    This is a tough business. There is adversity every week.

    The Washington State game to start our conference schedule wasn't that long ago and it looked bleak heading into a meat grinder with that home loss to one of our weakest PAC 12 competitors fresh on our minds. Then Kyle and this team did what we all wanted to see by going out there and getting it done the hard way...and he reminded us all how good he can be. We hadn't really witnessed that since moving into the PAC... but now we have, and he has demonstrated that he can do it at this level. So glad to see it, I've always liked Kyle as our coach and wanted him to find this kind of success. Great, give the man an extension... but now take this bad-ass team and go fight for a conference championship.

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    I was so despondent after Wazzou. Like everybody else, I want kW to succeed more than anything, and after that game i was sure he wasn't going to ever get past 5-7, because I didn't think he would ever get the offense untracked. what a difference a month makes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    what a difference a month makes.
    Hell yes.

    Expectations always changing. At the beginning of the season I was hoping for bowl eligibility... Now I'm almost embarrassed to say it... I want to beat ASU so bad and make a serious run at the conference championship. I really think they can fawkin' do it.

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