Correct. 2010 was the year when everyone thought we were BCSing after we took 8 kickoffs for TDs against Iowa State, only to lose by 1,000 points to TCU. 2011 was the year when Chow made Hays look like a somewhat, adequate player.Originally Posted by Jarid in Cedar
Was it only a thousand?
I'm confused, I guess. Is it true that the same Utah QB hasn't started and finished the season since 2008? (Even if true, that may not be unusual among college football programs these days.)
Anyway, I'd sure like to see the same Utah QB start and finish the 2014 season. Chances are that would correlate to a good season.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
ESPN blog's take on Travis Wilson:
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_...-travis-wilson
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
How can you forget 2010? That is also the year that, the week after TCU, Wynn slid unmolested short of a first down at Notre Dame, and we all screamed a him.
I just screamed at him again when I read your reminder.
I will never forget that. I was there in person and could read Brian Johnson's lips as he screamed at Jordan, "Why did you slide?" I think it came out later that Jordan had injured his shoulder against Iowa State but hadn't told anyone. (Or maybe that is just a rumor.) Anyway, Cain had to start the Las Vegas Bowl game because of that. So although Wynn was the starter throughout the season he didn't finish the season.
Cain, BTW, had a 9-2 record as Utah's starting QB. Interesting factoid.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Based completely from passes that never even crossed the line of scrimmage.
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Andy Phillips and Tom Hackett land on ESPN's Pac 12 blog preseason all-american team, no other Utes make the squad (the only one I would've really expected would be Dres).
“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Kickers for days.
Originally tweeted by rojack.
Patrick has a NFL ceiling. He had some issues to get fixed before he could play, a lot of teams backed off. Utah didn't, went through all the paperwork and other crap and now have themselves a WR that NFL scouts are watching. He is a STEAL for us. You jump through hoops for a lot of players that don't pan out. Patrick may make it all worth it.
This shows you where DC wants to take the offense. Cox and Thompson and Isom are the exact same QB. When Wilson leaves/graduates we will move more fully to his offense.
Isom has a lot more in common with Wilson than with Cox and Thompson.
And the 2015 recruit we missed on (I'm sure the staff is still recruiting him, and I' m still waiting for Darnold to change his mind when we beat USC) is very much a Wilson/Isom clone.
Come on, scratch. That'll never fly. Isom is black.
That was the moment when I realized that a string of injuries had taken the poinsettia bowl champ from us and it was time to rebuild at QB.
How many big time QB recruits is Sark hogging down there anyway? They do know that only one of them will get to play, right?
It seems like a lot of people (including the coaching staff) clung to the hope that Jordan would recover and be back to his Poinsettia Bowl self. In hindsight that looks like such a bad approach. As UTEopia has said, there was also some bad luck and some near misses in Utah's efforts to rebuild at that position.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
The decommits of Eubanks and Brown, along with Shreve deciding he didn't like football, really hurt us. They haven't lit it up anywhere else, but it really hurt our depth.
In a related story, I heard Jay Hill on the radio yesterday saying that the Utes also lost out on a couple of OLine recruits in the week leading up to signing day that was a major cause of our being caught shorthanded there as well.
Interesting. So what's a coaching staff to do? If you're Kyle how do you plan for such bad luck? Simply work harder? Recruit more players? Hire more staff to get more recruiting done? Just wondering. Maybe it is just luck and this happens to everyone.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Hahah... sadly I think there are those that probably do still think this way. I'm certainly not one of them. I don't know why, but Isom gives me a different vibe. Maybe because he actually seemed to play QB in high school and wasn't just the biggest man on the field running around with the football, even though he was most likely one of the biggest men on the field. His senior year stats are insane.
Here's the two senior years of Isom and Manning (the one most people point to as a "true pocket passer"):
Isom
8 Games
Passing
88/140 - 63%
1615 yards
22 TD's/1 INT (22 ratio)
11.5 YPA
.007 INT per attempt
17 passing attempts per game
Rushing
45 carries
276 yards
6.1 YPC
5.6 attempts per game
6 TD's
Manning
11 Games
Passing
319/490 - 65%
4062 yards
41 TD's/10 INT (4.1 ratio)
8.29 YPA
.02 INT per attempt
44.5 attempts per game
Rushing
25 carries
-26 yards
-1.04 YPC
2.3 attempts per game
2 TD's
What jumps out at me is that he has a higher YPA and lower INT/A ratio than Manning. He is efficient with the football. Additionally, even though he was so much bigger and a better athlete than anyone else on the field, he wasn't a running QB. A fact that becomes obvious when you compare his rushing stats to Taysom Hill, who was obviously the best athlete on the field his senior year as well:
Hill
12 Games
Passing
166/258 - 64%
2269 yards
18 TD (I couldn't find any reference to his interceptions)
8.79 YPA
Rushing
146 carries
1491 yards
10.21 YPC
12.17 attempts per game
24 TD's
I think we just have to wait and see if he can make the mental jump that it takes to be a QB in HS to being a QB in college.
Last edited by U-Ute; 08-22-2014 at 10:56 AM.
Hill commented that these decommits are much more prevalent now than they were 5 years ago, and that this is across the country, not just at Utah. The thing that changed for Utah was the jump to the PAC-12. Other teams are now taking a harder look at who Utah is recruiting than they were before and going after guys Utah is recruiting a bit harder. The coaching staff used to be able to rely on that commit and can no longer do so. They just need to keep working on a recruit, even if they feel like they have him locked up, all the way up to signing day. Especially if they get wind that other schools are sniffing around.
Can't hire more staff, who can recruit is limited by rule.
I was just throwing out ideas. Maybe more support staff would make it easier to get more recruiting done. I doubt that the Texases and USCs of he world have the same number of support staff as Utah. (But if I am wrong about that I am sure you'll tell me.)
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
And Wilson is one quarter Japanese. Doesn't that account for something?
This kinda, sorta fits in here:
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
I have a hard time swallowing this excuse for two reasons. First, we're losing guys late. That's just being out recruited, plain and simple. Additionally, if were such great scouters of talent, then why aren't our assistants being poached on a regular basis? Especially guys like A-Rod and Scalley?
I thinking making projections on what a player will do at the college level based on HS stats is a huge mistake.
Hasn't a-rod been poached twice already? Scalley is a Utah man.
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