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    Super Bowl XLIX (including 2014-15 playoffs)

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    Seahawks fan porn:

    Kam Chancellor is a bad man

    I don't like the Seahawks because Pete The Cheat is their coach, but I admire Chancellor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Seahawks fan porn:

    Kam Chancellor is a bad man

    I don't like the Seahawks because Pete The Cheat is their coach, but I admire Chancellor.
    Funny article.

    Kam knew the snap count. The Panthers ALWAYS snap the ball 5 seconds after the signal, per game film review. That is why he timed it so perfectly.

    On the last kick they snapped it at 4 seconds to shake things up. Should have snapped it at 6 just for the Offsides penalty.

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    I don't recall seeing a worse choke job than the one the Packers just put on against the Seahawks. Wow. I had no team in the game but I dislike Pete Carroll so I was margially pulling for the Pack.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Seattle made the right adjustments on Defense. And they found a tiny bit of Offense and Special Teams magic at the perfect time.

    The two big questionable things in my mind were Aaron Rodgers not throwing at whomever Richard Sherman was covering when he was obviously injured, and selling out for the run on the last play.

    I am especially happy for Russell Wilson after the rough year he had. He is only one of a large group of very good people on this team. Just like Larry K, Pete Carroll and John Schneider don't want any turds on their team (ahem...Percy Harvin and Golden Tate).

    Now, Go Pats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    Seattle made the right adjustments on Defense. And they found a tiny bit of Offense and Special Teams magic at the perfect time.

    The two big questionable things in my mind were Aaron Rodgers not throwing at whomever Richard Sherman was covering when he was obviously injured, and selling out for the run on the last play.

    I am especially happy for Russell Wilson after the rough year he had. He is only one of a large group of very good people on this team. Just like Larry K, Pete Carroll and John Schneider don't want any turds on their team (ahem...Percy Harvin and Golden Tate).

    Now, Go Pats!
    I don't believe that about Pete. He's a cheater.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I don't recall seeing a worse choke job than the one the Packers just put on against the Seahawks. Wow. I had no team in the game but I dislike Pete Carroll so I was margially pulling for the Pack.
    I didn't see any choke. The Seahawks made plays, and they played like there was no tomorrow, which there wouldn't have been had they lost.
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    It is amazing to think that Aaron Rodgers was paid nearly TWICE Russell Wilson's annual salary for just this game. The amount of money is just mind boggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    I didn't see any choke. The Seahawks made plays, and they played like there was no tomorrow, which there wouldn't have been had they lost.
    LOL. Yes, and the Seahawks skillfullly caused that Packer receiver to drop the onside kick that hit him in the hands. They also caused the Packer DBs to stand there helplessly while Wilson's wounded duck desperation pass fluttered into the Seahawks receiver's hands for a 2-point conversion. No, there was no choke!

    Look, they outplayed the Packers and won the game. The Packers should be ashamed of themselves for blowing a game they had won. But the Seahawks won by makinbg fewer mistakes. There's no shame in that. It's how games are won and lost.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    LOL. Yes, and the Seahawks skillfullly caused that Packer receiver to drop the onside kick that hit him in the hands. They also caused the Packer DBs to stand there helplessly while Wilson's wounded duck desperation pass fluttered into the Seahawks receiver's hands for a 2-point conversion. No, there was no choke!

    Look, they outplayed the Packers and won the game. The Packers should be ashamed of themselves for blowing a game they had won. But the Seahawks won by makinbg fewer mistakes. There's no shame in that. It's how games are won and lost.
    You and I have a different understanding of the meaning of "choke" in this context. And I've felt that you and I estimate differently this collegiete or professinal game of football playing's or coaching's level of difficulty.

    According to the Oxford English Dictionary, choke means: "(In sports) fail to perform at a crucial point of a game or contest owing to a failure of nerve." I didn't see any failure of nerve on the Packers' part. Maybe you can second guess their judgment (Monday morning quarterbacking); e.g., that they should have gone for it at fourth and goal, or they got too conservative after the interception with five minutes to play.

    Do you have any idea how hard it is to get your hands around a live ball that bunces high off turf amid a pack of brawny and determined football players? Look at the play in real time motion and see how fast everything happened. Brandon Bostic says that he was supposed to block but the ball undexpectedly went sailing through the air right at him but over his head. He jumped, trying to snag it a the arc's peak, and couldn't handle the ball. How many times did I see Seahawk receivers do the same thing, though after the ball left Willson's hand -- at least twice that led to interceptions. Indeed, the most visible choking occurred in the game's first three quarters plus by Russell Wilson and his receivers. I think they actually were having a collective nervous breakdown.

    Whether you consider what happened to be a great comeback or a choke depends on your bias or perspective. I look at the last three Seattle drives and what I see is amazing execution on Seattle's part, and Lynch was a but for cause of it; he was the heart and soul of the rally, and nobody but you thinks what he did was a Green Bay "choke". There was no Bill Buckneresque faux pas.

    You've been clear about your hatred for Pete Carroll, so you don't want to give him or his teams any credit for their achievements -- Pete Carroll, a guy who started as a graduate assistant at Pacific and clawed his way to the pinnacle of both the college football and professional football professions. Have you asked yourself whether maybe you should reevaluate your bias. There's nothing but circumstancial evidence and conjecture about Pete Carroll participating in any "cheating" at USC. Indeed, he had no need or incentive to cheat; USC recruits at will, and he coaches college football like Urban Meyer. Regardless of that, here is what Ted Miller has written about the NCAA sanctions: “It's become an accepted fact among informed college football observers that the NCAA sanctions against USC were a travesty of justice, and the NCAA’s refusal to revisit that travesty are a massive act of cowardice on the part of the organization." Things are always more complicated than they seem to be.
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    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

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    C'mon, SU. Everyone knows Green Bay blew the game. The receiver who tried to catch the onside kick wasn't supposed even to try - he had a different assignment. That's why his coach was yelling at him after the play. It was a boneheaded mistake.

    No, I don't think much of Carroll. This is hardly an outlier point of view. Of course you troll along with a loaded word like "hatred." Do you never tire of such parlor games?

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    C'mon, SU. Everyone knows Green Bay blew the game. The receiver who tried to catch the onside kick wasn't supposed even to try - he had a different assignment. That's why his coach was yelling at him after the play. It was a boneheaded mistake.

    No, I don't think much of Carroll. This is hardly an outlier point of view. Of course you troll along with a loaded word like "hatred." Do you never tire of such parlor games?
    The ball flew straight at him. He wasn't supposed to jump and try to catch it? A swarm of Seahawks were right there. A good onsides kick will do exactly what this ball did.

    I think you do hate Carroll -- you repeatedly mention that you don't like the Seahawks because you think he cheated at USC-- and you're very much in the minority. He's immensely charming and intelligent by any measure, and gives a lot to the fans, the media, charity, and, needless to say, his players, who abolutely love him, though he's a hard ass like Meyer and no players' buddy coach like Neuheisel.
    One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.

    --Albert Einstein

    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

    --Richard Dawkins

    Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    The ball flew straight at him. He wasn't supposed to jump and try to catch it? A swarm of Seahawks were right there. A good onsides kick will do exactly what this ball did.

    I think you do hate Carroll -- you repeatedly mention that you don't like the Seahawks because you think he cheated at USC-- and you're very much in the minority. He's immensely charming and intelligent by any measure, and gives a lot to the fans, the media, charity, and, needless to say, his players, who abolutely love him, though he's a hard ass like Meyer and no players' buddy coach like Neuheisel.
    SU, buddy, you need to up your game. You're the Sinatra of CG and CUF. You need your own version of "From Here to Eternity."

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    SU, buddy, you need to up your game. You're the Sinatra of CG and CUF. You need your own version of "From Here to Eternity."
    I'm only reacting to this emotive flotsam you keep introducing that you are against the Seahawks because Carroll is a cheater. This time it was, "I'm against the Seahawks because Carroll is a cheater. Did you see the Packers' choke?"

    It doesn't matter how you try to diminish the game and both teams' efforts; every outlet form the New York Times to Sports Illustrated to ESPN to NFL.com is calling this one of the great NFL games of all time and one of the greatest playoff comebacks of all time.
    One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.

    --Albert Einstein

    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

    --Richard Dawkins

    Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

    --Philo

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    I'm only reacting to this emotive flotsam you keep introducing that you are against the Seahawks because Carroll is a cheater. This time it was, "I'm against the Seahawks because Carroll is a cheater. Did you see the Packers' choke?"

    It doesn't matter how you try to diminish the game and both teams' efforts; every outlet form the New York Times to Sports Illustrated to ESPN to NFL.com is calling this one of the great NFL games of all time and one of the greatest playoff comebacks of all time.
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    The more I think about it the more I see the game as a complete blowout that was only close because Seattle turned the ball over 5 times. It was almost like watching the game vs OSU last year (but with a different outcome).

    Seattle started slow as possible. The only thing keeping them in the game was superb Defense that held GB to Field Goals after two short field turnovers. In fact GB only managed to get two FGs, two punts, and in interception on five turnovers. That is spectacular Defense.

    When Seattle protected the ball and ran the spread-option to perfection, they were unstoppable. They moved the ball at will and GB couldn't figure out how to slow the onslaught. On the drives where they scored Seattle covered a tremendous amount of the field in a very short time. The only 'short field' they had started on the 50 after the onside kick.

    Seattle's drives went thusly:
    Int, Fumble, Punt, Punt, Int, Int, Halftime, Punt, TD!, Punt, Punt, Int, TD!-Onside Kick-TD!, OT- TD!.

    When it works it is devastating to opposing defenses. But when it doesn't work it looks inept and the coach fires the OC after the end of the year. This is Utah football.

    With all that said, Go Pats.
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    Pigskin Physics: What's the Big Deal About Deflated Footballs?

    http://www.nbcnews.com/science/scien...tballs-n290466

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Pigskin Physics: What's the Big Deal About Deflated Footballs?


    http://www.nbcnews.com/science/scien...tballs-n290466
    We always try to deflate the balls before each of my little league games. We do it because we are a running team and it is easier to hold onto the ball. We value winning the turnover battle. In fact it is critical in little league.

    I'm just telling you why I do it.

    I give it to the ref and sometimes he gives it back to me and tells me to put some air in it. Sometimes he doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Utes View Post
    We always try to deflate the balls before each of my little league games. We do it because we are a running team and it is easier to hold onto the ball. We value winning the turnover battle. In fact it is critical in little league.

    I'm just telling you why I do it.

    I give it to the ref and sometimes he gives it back to me and tells me to put some air in it. Sometimes he doesn't.

    And LA, apparently the 12 balls the Colts used were not under inflated. Remember, it was raining really hard. If your footballs are under inflated they are easier to hold onto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Utes View Post
    And LA, apparently the 12 balls the Colts used were not under inflated. Remember, it was raining really hard. If your footballs are under inflated they are easier to hold onto.
    I am agnostic on the issue. Just thought it was interesting. I don't have a favorite in the Super Bowl, and that's kind of a nice way to go into a big game. Anxiety-free, I can just enjoy the high level of play. I am not a fan of either Peter Carroll or Bill Belichick, but I like watching Russell Wilson and especially Tom Brady play. For football fans, watching Brady is like opera fans watching Pavarotti or Domingo.

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    I hated Michael Jordan with a white hot passion, but I absolutely loved watching him play. Tom Brady is similar and I would think that anybody who enjoys watching stellar QB skills will likewise enjoy watching the #199 draft pick at work.

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    This is probably interesting only to me, but what the heck. I just saw this tweeted by Peter King




    this is a picture of Russell Wilson in high school, with his father Harry. Harry and I were law school classmates. we weren't close friends but we played softball and other stuff together. He was a great guy. He died several years ago. Russell looks just like him, and whenever I see Russell, I see Harry too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    This is probably interesting only to me, but what the heck. I just saw this tweeted by Peter King




    this is a picture of Russell Wilson in high school, with his father Harry. Harry and I were law school classmates. we weren't close friends but we played softball and other stuff together. He was a great guy. He died several years ago. Russell looks just like him, and whenever I see Russell, I see Harry too.
    For those who don't know, concerned has degrees from very "prestigious" schools. Probably explains why Russell Wilson is so articulate, as football players have the stereotype of not being smart but he clearly has great genes.

    Me, I'm just a U grad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    This is probably interesting only to me, but what the heck. I just saw this tweeted by Peter King




    this is a picture of Russell Wilson in high school, with his father Harry. Harry and I were law school classmates. we weren't close friends but we played softball and other stuff together. He was a great guy. He died several years ago. Russell looks just like him, and whenever I see Russell, I see Harry too.
    Very interesting and beautiful.
    One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.

    --Albert Einstein

    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

    --Richard Dawkins

    Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

    --Philo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Utes View Post
    For those who don't know, concerned has degrees from very "prestigious" schools. Probably explains why Russell Wilson is so articulate, as football players have the stereotype of not being smart but he clearly has great genes.

    Me, I'm just a U grad.
    O linemen tend to be very articulate.
    One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.

    --Albert Einstein

    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

    --Richard Dawkins

    Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

    --Philo

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    Karma karma karma

    Dallas beats Detroit on a gift because the refs miss a blatant pi call, then gets screwed the next week on the Dez Bryant catch ruling (and i say that as a Packer fan.). Green Bay then loses the next week, on the on sides kick bonehead play that was a gift to Seattle (among many others). Patriots almost loses a third consecutive super bowl on a fluke c0atch, this time by Kearse, but then get their own gift on the interception.

    You could argue that Dallas should not have been on the field against the Packers, the packers should not have been on the filed against the Seahawks, and the Seahawks should not have been on the filed against the Pats.

    the football gods giveth one week, but taketh away the next.

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    Bill Plaschke of the LA Times:

    Pete Carroll blows it for Seahawks in Super Bowl XLIX

    Concerned has a good point. The game was almost won on a great catch, and was eventually won on a great interception. Two great plays. No referee nonsense. No choking by either side. Just a great game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I could certainly see a "Seattle choked" point of view.
    Oh, I don't know. If Lockette catches that pass, Carroll's a genius who cunningly exploited the green rookie Butler to win the Super Bowl. Butler made a play no one envisioned him making.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Playing to be a genius turns out to not be as good as playing to win. Hand it off to Lynch a few times. That's as close to 100% certainty as can be achieved in sports. I think everyone knows that was a truly horrible call.

    But beyond the bad call, Seattle had a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter. They didn't choke as badly as Green Bay did two weeks ago, but there is at least some level of choke here.
    Yeah.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    First Patriots player to celebrate with Malcolm Butler after the pick? Sealver Siliga.

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