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    Obama was born in America!


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    And it was Hillary's fault! TheDonald put an end to the Birther movement! And while you are here take a look at my fabulous new hotel!

    Of course he pushed that button as hard as possible for over 5 years, and only now is backing away from it.

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    As I have said many times, I cannot stand Trump. But it is rich indeed to see Clinton taking him to task for raising or talking about the birther concept. It was her creation.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    As I have said many times, I cannot stand Trump. But it is rich indeed to see Clinton taking him to task for raising or talking about the birther concept. It was her creation.
    Yes, for about 30 seconds 8+ years ago.


    And it was even better to watch Michelle Obama blast him about it today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    Yes, for about 30 seconds 8+ years ago.


    And it was even better to watch Michelle Obama blast him about it today.
    Might have been 60 seconds. 🤓

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Might have been 60 seconds. 🤓
    Right. But the point is she didn't push it hard, and in the face of contrary evidence, for five years.

    This betrays a fundamental indecisiveness and inability to look at a bigger picture. But it also shows his attraction to low-hanging shiny objects and a desire to win the argument, rather than actually bring correct.

    Everybody should be terrified of a leader like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    Right. But the point is she didn't push it hard, and in the face of contrary evidence, for five years.

    This betrays a fundamental indecisiveness and inability to look at a bigger picture. But it also shows his attraction to low-hanging shiny objects and a desire to win the argument, rather than actually bring correct.

    Everybody should be terrified of a leader like that.
    Well, you'll never get me to defend Trump. I don't to do that. He is indefensible in so many ways. But that doesn't mean I am going to be blind to Clinton's multiple character disabilities. Having said that, I have lots and lots of friends who are Clinton supporters. Most of them have not drunk the Kool-Aid, but a few have. I get it. It is possible for two intelligent people to see the same situation very differently. 'Merica!

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    I finally saw my first Trump bumper sticker. It should be no surprise that it was in Alpine.

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    Oh my!! Mr. Sulu with the mic drop:



    George Takei is an American treasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    Oh my!! Mr. Sulu with the mic drop:



    George Takei is an American treasure.
    Only a matter of time before trump gives him an adjective nickname, blasts his work on Twitter and calls him a loser.

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    This made me laugh.


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    Only a matter of time before trump gives him an adjective nickname, blasts his work on Twitter and calls him a loser.
    "Something something 'I prefer Japs who didn't spend their childhood behind bars...' something 'Loser' something."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    "Something something 'I prefer Japs who didn't spend their childhood behind bars...' something 'Loser' something."
    Overrated and very boring George Takei almost single handedly caused star trek to be thrown off the air with bad ratings. Sad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    Overrated and very boring George Takei almost single handedly caused star trek to be thrown off the air with bad ratings. Sad!
    George Takei is almost universally loved in America. I would love to watch Trump attempt to play his silly mind games on George.

    GT's essay last year describing his time in the Relocation Camps as a young child was powerful and absolutely heartbreaking. And that essay was prompted by Trump statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    George Takei is almost universally loved in America. I would love to watch Trump attempt to play his silly mind games on George.

    GT's essay last year describing his time in the Relocation Camps as a young child was powerful and absolutely heartbreaking. And that essay was prompted by Trump statements.




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    John Podhoretz:

    "Trump wasn’t defeated in his quest for the nomination, but it wasn’t because the party or the conservative movement lay down and rolled over for him. Indeed, all the lines of attack being raised today by Hillary Clinton against him, from Trump’s footsie-playing with racists to his foundation’s high jinks to Trump University, were introduced into the national discussion and aired out on the Right for months.

    "Democrats and liberals, by contrast, did not adjudicate the matters now dogging Hillary’s candidacy during the primary season. Instead, they left all opposition to the ministrations of a 74-year-old socialist who wasn’t even a Democrat until 2014.

    "And his surprising strength in running against her — Sanders ultimately secured 44 percent of the Democratic primary vote — should have made clear that whatever the mainstream Democratic view, ordinary Democrats did see her as shifty, untrustworthy and someone they did not wish to vote for.

    "Well, here we are. And here you are, Democrats and liberals. There will be a lot of blame to go around if Trump wins. But a significant share will go to you, because you live in a bubble so impervious to reality, you didn’t realize that nominating a widely disliked person with legal and ethical problems might come to bite you in the ass in the end."

    http://nypost.com/2016/09/17/the-lib...p-in-its-face/

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    I think the arrogance of the two parties is showing here. They, and their lobbyists, know that they are in full control and they are getting their people put in place.

    It will be interesting to see what happens going forward. Is this the beginning of some changes, or will Hillary win, everyone will calm down and return to the daily toil of life and nothing will change?

  17. #1097
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    John Podhoretz:

    "Trump wasn’t defeated in his quest for the nomination, but it wasn’t because the party or the conservative movement lay down and rolled over for him. Indeed, all the lines of attack being raised today by Hillary Clinton against him, from Trump’s footsie-playing with racists to his foundation’s high jinks to Trump University, were introduced into the national discussion and aired out on the Right for months.

    "Democrats and liberals, by contrast, did not adjudicate the matters now dogging Hillary’s candidacy during the primary season. Instead, they left all opposition to the ministrations of a 74-year-old socialist who wasn’t even a Democrat until 2014.

    "And his surprising strength in running against her — Sanders ultimately secured 44 percent of the Democratic primary vote — should have made clear that whatever the mainstream Democratic view, ordinary Democrats did see her as shifty, untrustworthy and someone they did not wish to vote for.

    "Well, here we are. And here you are, Democrats and liberals. There will be a lot of blame to go around if Trump wins. But a significant share will go to you, because you live in a bubble so impervious to reality, you didn’t realize that nominating a widely disliked person with legal and ethical problems might come to bite you in the ass in the end."

    http://nypost.com/2016/09/17/the-lib...p-in-its-face/

    Well that is revisionist history. In fact, none of the Republican candidates attacked Trump (except Jeb and Kasich to a lesser extent) until it was too late. Cruz famously defended Trump for months, figuring Trump would collapse of his own weight and his supporters would flock to Cruz. The other candidates mostly attacked each other, esp. in Iowa and New Hampshire, hoping to be the last one standing as an alternative to Trump, figuring that the party would never nominate somebody so crazy. It is true that some people like Romney attacked Trump, but even Romney was too late (not until Indiana) as it turned out.

    I don't think anyone among the democrats was/is naive to Clinton's weaknesses. All the dems knew the other shoe was going to drop re her emails, and the Repubs attacked her relentlessly and mercilessly during the primaries on all her weaknesses. The dems had no real alternative candidate, once Biden and Warren decided not to run. Would they be doing better? Maybe, but probably not. IMHO, if Obama were running for his third term, he would be way ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Well that is revisionist history. In fact, none of the Republican candidates attacked Trump (except Jeb and Kasich to a lesser extent) until it was too late. Cruz famously defended Trump for months, figuring Trump would collapse of his own weight and his supporters would flock to Cruz. The other candidates mostly attacked each other, esp. in Iowa and New Hampshire, hoping to be the last one standing as an alternative to Trump, figuring that the party would never nominate somebody so crazy. It is true that some people like Romney attacked Trump, but even Romney was too late (not until Indiana) as it turned out.

    I don't think anyone among the democrats was/is naive to Clinton's weaknesses. All the dems knew the other shoe was going to drop re her emails, and the Repubs attacked her relentlessly and mercilessly during the primaries on all her weaknesses. The dems had no real alternative candidate, once Biden and Warren decided not to run. Would they be doing better? Maybe, but probably not. IMHO, if Obama were running for his third term, he would be way ahead.
    My recollection (and I was paying close attention as an anguished Rubio supporter) is different. As soon as Trump became more than a circus sideshow (i.e., started winning) the other candidates were all over him. Even before that, the more ideologically conservative punditry -- National Review (which had a "Never Trump" symposium in its February issue), Commentary (John Podhoretz's magazine, which started attacking Trump in October 2015), Reason (a libertarian publication), the Federalist Society, The Heritage Foundation, and others -- were sounding the alarm. Romney's Hinckley Institute speech was on March 3, one month before the Indiana primary. There were still 54 primary elections to go (including minor ones like Guam, Virgin Island and Puerto Rico, but also including Indiana, Florida, Illinois, Ohio, Arizona, Utah, Wisconsin, California and New York, to name a few). Breakdown here. IIRC, Trump still hadn't won any state with 50% or more of the vote when Romney gave his speech.

    So I don't think it's revisionist history. As for Hillary, I think the modern Democratic party is much more tightly organized and disciplined than the GOP. (I say that pretty much as a compliment.) I don't think you guys would ever have 17 candidates running around on the debate stage. Hillary was chosen early and only Bernie was around to challenge her, which turned out to be a tougher challenge than the party power structure expected it to be.

    Just my two cents.

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    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    I think actors should stick to acting unless they want to run for office.

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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think actors should stick to acting unless they want to run for office.
    Why? How are they any different than, say, the Koch Brothers and their political movements?

  22. #1102
    Gary Trudeau nailed Trump's M.O. over 17 tears ago.

    Doonesbury cartoon from 1999:


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    Hillary Clinton on Between to Ferns with Zach Galifianakis: http://www.motherjones.com/media/201...erns-interview
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  24. #1104
    Trump can't even string together a coherent thought.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    Trump can't even string together a coherent thought.


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    He is getting schlonged.


    And his poll numbers will probably go up anyway.

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    That was a circus. Proof you can just keep shouting a lie and the moderator will stop correcting you.


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    I tried to watch the debate but it was really impossible to take anything of substance from it. If that is how the debates are going to be, cancel them. They are worthless.

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    She kicked his rear end, and he helped her. What a foolish man. She didn't deserve the gift he gave her.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    He is getting schlonged.


    And his poll numbers will probably go up anyway.
    I think he blew the election tonight.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think he blew the election tonight.
    I'd think that too, but I've thought that about him the entire election cycle. I'm with NWUF, he'll probably go up in the polls despite being destroyed last night.

    He showed he has no idea what he is talking about, can't even complete a thought let alone string together a slightly coherent message. The funniest was him getting angry as he talked about his own temperament.

    Any other election year against any other candidate he would be destroyed. He'd be losing so badly it would be record setting. We disqualified Howard Dean for screaming "Yeargh!!!!" Yet Trump brags about not paying federal taxes, leveraging bankruptcy laws, being racist and misogynistic, and not paying people and nothing happens.

    Clinton is supremely unlikeable but she can do the job. I wouldn't trust Trump to watch my dog.


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