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    Trump wins!!!! Go GOP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Trump wins!!!! Go GOP!
    The only district Trump lost was his own--to Kasich. Somebody wanted to know if it was possible to find out if Trump won his own building, Trump Tower. I bet not. They know him best probably.

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    This year's election will not be "voting for" but rather "voting against" a candidate(s).

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-mor...llary-clinton/

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    Conspiracy theory: Kasich is the back-room GOP nominee the GOP will put forth if Trump fails to win the nomination on the first ballot, which Kasich is actively helping the GOP try to make sure happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Conspiracy theory: Kasich is the back-room GOP nominee the GOP will put forth if Trump fails to win the nomination on the first ballot, which Kasich is actively helping the GOP try to make sure happens.
    I actually like Kasich, I would be okay with that. Truthfully, despite being a far distance behind everyone he is the most palatable candidate left. I heard an interview with him that might support your theory. He was questioned about why he remained in the race despite a statistical impossibility of winning, to which he replied he fully expected to win the nomination still (alluding to the brokered convention). It could be that Republican establishment has encouraged him to stay in the race to force the open convention with the agreement that he'll get the nomination. Let's not forget that Cruz, along with being insane, has done a lot to embarrass the Republican party and contribute to its less-than-favorable view among voters.

    In short, your conspiracies intrigue me, I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Conspiracy theory: Kasich is the back-room GOP nominee the GOP will put forth if Trump fails to win the nomination on the first ballot, which Kasich is actively helping the GOP try to make sure happens.
    Yes, brilliant idea by the GOP! But forth a nominee that has won only his home state! The electorate would rejoice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Yes, brilliant idea by the GOP! But forth a nominee that has won only his home state! The electorate would rejoice.
    The GOP sees the numbers though, and they know that neither Cruz nor Trump would win in a general election over either Sanders or Clinton. The social conservatism portion of the GOP is starting to fracture the party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Goldwater
    “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    The GOP sees the numbers though, and they know that neither Cruz nor Trump would win in a general election over either Sanders or Clinton. The social conservatism portion of the GOP is starting to fracture the party.
    Partly, but this time Trump is the problem and he is not from any wing of the party. He's probably farthest from the social cons.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Trump!!! Again!!!

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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Trump!!! Again!!!
    I am happy for you because the Trump Show means you don't have to spend any time defending Clinton.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    As far as I'm concerned, anybody who claims that pornography doesn't cause any measurable or long term societal ills has no merit.

    Why and what does this have to do with the 2016 presidential election?

    Because if these are the best potential nominees we can come up, it is proof our society is very very ill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    It's Cruz for the win.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    It's Cruz for the win.
    speculation that Cruz will announce Carly Fiorina as his VP later today, presumably to help him in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    speculation that Cruz will announce Carly Fiorina as his VP later today, presumably to help him in California.
    Not sure how popular she is here. Presumably Cruz & Co. have done polling.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Not sure how popular she is here. Presumably Cruz & Co. have done polling.

    She only has to be popular with certain Republicans in certain congressional districts, particulalry heavily democratic districts where a few Republican votes can win a district and delegates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    She only has to be popular with certain Republicans in certain congressional districts, particulalry heavily democratic districts where a few Republican votes can win a district and delegates.
    Good point.

    More thoughts here:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/04/2...ment-at-4-p-m/

    Hopefully he’s planning to announce he’s now learned that a “basketball ring” is commonly referred to as a hoop. Good lord, man.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    speculation that Cruz will announce Carly Fiorina as his VP later today, presumably to help him in California.
    Is she popular in California? I know she destroyed Hewlett Packard and had some questionable quotes along the way.

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    Here is a rationale for picking Fiorina

    The pick is likely to please a crucial constituency of one: Robert Mercer, who has been one of the most generous benefactors of Cruz’s super PAC, giving it $11 million. Mercer is also a Fiorina fan, sending $500,000 to super PAC that backed her own presidential run.
    If Cruz is to be competitive in California, his campaign and super PAC are likely to need an infusion of millions of additional dollars for ads and mail in the sprawling state ahead of the June 7 primary.


    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4743w1Zlt
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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Here is a rationale for picking Fiorina

    The pick is likely to please a crucial constituency of one: Robert Mercer, who has been one of the most generous benefactors of Cruz’s super PAC, giving it $11 million. Mercer is also a Fiorina fan, sending $500,000 to super PAC that backed her own presidential run.
    If Cruz is to be competitive in California, his campaign and super PAC are likely to need an infusion of millions of additional dollars for ads and mail in the sprawling state ahead of the June 7 primary.


    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4743w1Zlt
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    This highlights what is wrong with the system.

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    shots fired

    John Boehner: Cruz is 'Lucifer in the flesh".

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...lucifer-222570

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    Cruz has such a remarkable track record of being disliked, and not just by his colleagues but also by staff and others who work with him it simply can't be dismissed.

    The same can be said of Hillary too though.


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    In response, Members of the Satanic Temple try to distance themselves from Cruz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    In response, Members of the Satanic Temple try to distance themselves from Cruz.
    The Satanic Temple and Lucien Greaves are hilarious. They might be the funniest parody organization out there right now.

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    2016 Presidential Election

    Shame on all of them.

    Why Pro-Trump Conservative Media Should Worry

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/04...inglepage=true


    "It's men in shorts." -- Rick Majerus

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    This is a long but superb analysis of Trumpism by Andrew Sullivan:

    Democracies end when they are too democratic.
    And right now, America is a breeding ground for tyranny.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ald-trump.html
    Last edited by LA Ute; 05-01-2016 at 07:54 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Satan tries to snatch Fiorino back by opening the gates of hell under her feet.


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    This is a great piece:

    The Eve of Trump’s High Water Mark


    Excerpt:

    Let’s start by recognizing that the Republican electorate was ripe for a Trump.

    In retrospect more of us should have anticipated that they would be willing to fall for a candidate that had a mindless mantra about “winning” because they were tired of losing to President Obama and the Democrats for the last seven years. The Tea Party insurgency played a useful role in mobilizing the grass roots in 2010 and 2014, but history teaches us that if not restrained by wise leaders, revolutions turn on themselves. That is what happened in the last two years. Having bought into the idea that their party needed to fight an all-out battle against Obama, the Republican electorate picked the candidate least associated with the dreaded party establishment as their vehicle for voter rage. A large segment of the population also felt so frustrated with a culture of political correctness imposed by liberal elites that they embraced a candidate with the ability to hurl vulgar insults with impunity.

    But nothing in history is truly inevitable. Most Republicans were slow to realize the extent of the threat Trump posed or his strength. Had they done so and consolidated support of mainstream GOP activists, donors, and voters behind a consensus pick Trump would likely not have been able to win pluralities in most of the early voting states. Had that happened, the Trump movement might have been contained and beaten.


    But such counter-factual scenarios must also take into account that the Trump fever, fed in part by anger about Congressional Republican failures was also the manifestation of a broader cultural battle in which many Americans felt as if they were losing their country. Trump is the symptom not the disease. Trump’s promises of a mythical return to greatness in which political correctness and the reality of a changing global economy as well as the changing demographics of American politics can be ignored may well have been too alluring to be resisted. In their more thoughtful moments, most Republicans know that a wall for which Mexico could be compelled to pay (among other fables told by Trump) can’t insulate the country from disturbing economic and cultural changes. Trump may,as our Pete Wehner points out, fight dirty in a way that will give a visceral thrill to many on the right, but even the most truculent billionaire can’t turn back the hands of time.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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