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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    This makes sense, and would be appealing to Donald, if you think about it. Trump is angry and dismayed that his style in the primaries is not having the same effect now.

    AND, he's tiring of smart people telling him he needs to learn about things like "foreign policy", and why we can't play nuclear weapons as a card in negotiations, etc.

    He's hit the wall.

    Roger Ailes got canned by Fox and is probably angry about. Bannon has big dollar signs in his eyes in monetizing the Trumpite movement.

    FINALLY, somebody that speaks Donald's language! ! ! He'll come out of this thing richer than he's ever been!

    Forget Trump Steaks, we're talking about Trump TV!
    I read one article claiming that Trump has basically thrown in the towel and this is a way for him to start launching a new channel once he loses.

    He is not a businessman as much as an entertainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    He is not a businessman as much as an entertainer.
    He's primarily a jackass.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    This is an interesting angle.

    What if Trump doesn't admit defeat and claims that the election was rigged after the election?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...cession-227252

    “There’s a sizable portion of his fan base that will believe these things, and it’s toxic to our democracy,” he continued. “You’re basically taking ideas and voices that have been on the fringes — justifiably — and Donald Trump is bringing them squarely into the mainstream and weaponizing them. This is something we’ve not had to confront before. At one time there were responsible voices that would have drawn some lines that would have kept these voices from dominating our discourse; and they don’t exist now."

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    This is an interesting angle.

    What if Trump doesn't admit defeat and claims that the election was rigged after the election?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...cession-227252
    I hope he doesn't do that. Between 2000 and 2004 -- and beyond -- we saw how divisive it is when a big chunk of the electorate thinks a presidential election's outcome is questionable.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I hope he doesn't do that. Between 2000 and 2004 -- and beyond -- we saw how divisive it is when a big chunk of the electorate thinks a presidential election's outcome is questionable.
    Remember Al Gore throwing in the towel and telling the country to rally around GWB? if Trump does not do that (and I will bet he doesn't) it will not only delegitimize HRC, but it will make it harder for the Repubs to move past him and reassert control of the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Remember Al Gore throwing in the towel and telling the country to rally around GWB? if Trump does not do that (and I will bet he doesn't) it will not only delegitimize HRC, but it will make it harder for the Repubs to move past him and reassert control of the party.
    If it's a Clinton landslide (as seems likely) there won't be any need for Trump to throw in the towel. He'll be lying flat on his back on the canvas.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    At this point it seems the rumor that he wants to transform some of his support into viewers for his new network seems to have merit.

    Roger Ailes (FoxNews), the guy from Breitbart, and Sean Hannity are all associated his campaign somehow. That is a lot of Conservative Media experience right there. I see well over 50 years experience in that trio alone.

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    Finally we have a presidential candidate we can believe in!



    Ash 4 President!

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    He will be the greatest president ever.


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    2016 Presidential Election

    6 Chilling Facts About the Alt-Right

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/08...inglepage=true

    During her speech in Nevada on Wednesday, Hillary Clinton did more to defend conservatism and the Republican Party than have many Republicans during this election cycle. Delivering remarks which some expected to broadly smear conservatives with the taint of a racist few, Clinton showed restraint. Describing the racialist alt-right, which has embedded itself within the Donald Trump campaign, Clinton was surgical....
    What About the Alt-Left?

    http://www.nysun.com/editorials/what...lt-left/89699/
    Last edited by LA Ute; 08-27-2016 at 07:16 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Sister Souljah? The response on the left to alt-right is asymmetric.

    There are plenty of good, moral, reasonable people on the right who are fundamentally non-racist, inclusive, seeking to extend conservative principles to others: Mitt Romney (he did warn everyone, very early), the Bushs, Bill Kristol, LA Ute, David Brooks, etc.

    But in the same way Obama allowed racists to come out of the closet and mingle with others opposed to him - for political or ideological reasons - Trump has taken it a step further.

    "Look! There's my African American!"

    Recently, Trump appeals to blacks and Latinos, though there are almost none of them at his rallies. He's not really appealing to *them*, he's trying to make it safe for his supporters to admit they support him.

    If we ever had a true "race war" in America, through the political parties, the Republicans would be pretty homogeneous, and very well armed. The Democrats would be a blend, including a lot of liberal whites fighting for brown people. This is a grotesquely simplified and unrealistic scenario, of course, but may we all live to never see that kind of carnage.

    Try as they might, hopefully the Trump-Breitbart-Putin ticket fails and we resume a less explosive political reality, such as 4 years of hammering on Hillary, who will look like she's 90 years old, and would be a real hindrance to a Democratic party, in 2020.

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    The Alt-Right and BLM are One and the Same

    A provocative view that I don't endorse. Still, the writer, a prominent libertarian pundit, makes some interesting points.

    https://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/201...nd-the-same/2/

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Well, Donald Trump and I agree on something

    Donald Trump says Huma Abedin is ‘far better off’ without Anthony Weiner



    That guy has some serious, serious psychological issues. (Okay, who am I referring to there?)

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    From the Daily Mail, FWIW:

    Now 30 BENGHAZI-related emails have been recovered from Hillary's server – and they weren't in the batch she turned over to the State Department


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4Ir41UKb5

    This constant drip-drip-drip has got to be keeping Robbie Mook, her campaign manager, awake at night.

    On the bright side for Clinton, I heard this morning that the POTUS candidate with the highest net positive approval numbers always wins. So her approval numbers, while atrocious at a historic level, are still not as atrocious as Trump's. So by that measure she's headed for victory. But, but...this election doesn't seem to follow the rules. <Shakes head.>

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    This is fun to watch, even if you disagree with Milo like I mostly do.


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Interesting video. Here is an article I read recently, written by Jon Favreau. Yeah, he does go overboard on rhetoric, but he does make some interesting points, I think.

    https://theringer.com/how-the-far-ri...a21#.qhdpvm83g
    And what did Trump learn from the popular discussions on Fox, Drudge, Breitbart, Infowars, and talk radio? These outlets have long been labeled the “conservative media,” but they don’t spend much time discussing tax cuts, free trade, entitlement reform, or school choice. They’re not weighing market-based solutions to urban poverty or debating the future of neoconservative foreign policy. These outlets are a far cry from The Weekly Standard, the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, or even some conservative Fox reporters like Megyn Kelly. They have a lot more in common with the National Enquirer than they do with the National Review....

    The reason Trump succeeded isn’t that complicated after all. He didn’t win the nomination by tapping into some nascent political movement. He won by doing a fairly good impression of a right-wing media celebrity. Every issue, every conspiracy, every applause line has been ripped from their websites, radio shows, and television programs. It’s why he became America’s most prominent birther. It’s why he floated rumors that Ted Cruz’s dad killed JFK, and that Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster. It’s why he talks the way he does about Mexicans and Muslims and women and African Americans. It’s why he’s been able to get away with knowing little to nothing about policy or government or world affairs — because Trump, like any good talking head, only speaks in chyrons and clauses and some-people-are-sayings....



    The real divide within the Republican Party is not based on issues or ideology. It’s not between the right and the far-right, or even the establishment and the outsiders. It’s between the politicians and the entertainers, and ever since John McCain put Sarah Palin in front of the cameras, the contest hasn’t been close. You can fault politicians like McCain for giving the entertainers a platform, appearing on their shows, bowing to their demands, or just cowering in silence. But one silver lining of this dismal campaign has been the number of prominent conservative voices — politicians, strategists, intellectuals, and even a talk radio host — who are fighting to break free of the hateful, dangerous echo chamber the entertainers have created.

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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Overlooked is the fact that Clinton has been campaigning while suffering from pneumonia.

    I've known a couple of people who have had when they were younger and it knocked them on their asses. She's a tough bird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Overlooked is the fact that Clinton has been campaigning while suffering from pneumonia.

    I've known a couple of people who have had when they were younger and it knocked them on their asses. She's a tough bird.

    I had walking pneumonia a couple of years ago, and that is what it did to me, for about a week.

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    I don't see any reason to doubt the pneumonia diagnosis but why, oh why, do so many things involving her have to be kept under wraps and spun like crazy -- often in ways that make it look like she's hiding something? That doesn't help her or the voters, IMO. It just feeds the conspiracy crazies and also makes rational people wonder what is being kept from them. A smart, non-crazy conservative writer summarizes what we do know:

    First, we know that Clinton informed the FBI that her 2012 concussion and blood clot had a material impact not only on her work schedule as secretary of state but also on her memory. The FBI file released after the close of the investigation into Clinton’s handling of classified information indicates that “she could only work at State for a few hours a day and could not recall every briefing she received.”

    Second, just as the FBI files raised new questions about the extent of Hillary’s injuries in 2012, she suffered yet another, very public coughing fit on the campaign trail — one that Democrats immediately ascribed to “allergies.”

    Third, following the coughing fit, we now know that Hillary’s doctor examined her and determined that she was suffering pneumonia. But the campaign did not inform the public that Clinton was ill.

    Fourth, Hillary fell ill at a September 11 memorial service Sunday morning, left early, and appeared to stumble so badly that she had to be carried and pushed into a Secret Service van.

    Fifth, despite the fact that Hillary’s team knew she was sick and knew she was suffering from pneumonia, they not only kept the press — and, therefore, the American people — in the dark when she fell ill, they set up a photo op after her collapse where she claimed that she was “feeling great.” And yet now, despite allegedly “feeling great,” she’s canceling campaign events.


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Les Déplorables

    Hillary Clinton names the five phobias of Donald Trump’s political supporters.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/les-deplorables-1473895470

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    I think I would be paranoid too if I had Fox News digging through my garbage for 25 years.

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    The electorate is in a bad place.

    Pessimistic or Optimistic? Election-Wise, It Matters (POLL)

    Two-thirds of Americans feel they have little or no influence over the actions of the federal government. Forty-five percent say the country’s greatness is ebbing. As many see voter fraud as commonplace. A third aren’t confident that votes in the presidential election will be counted fairly. And a third say people like them are treated unfairly in this country.The results of this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, mark the extent to which underlying views of the state of the nation interact with political preferences. In some ways, a pessimists vs. optimists election.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    The electorate is in a bad place.

    Pessimistic or Optimistic? Election-Wise, It Matters (POLL)


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    See my post above. When so many of the conservative media pounds away at the same messages and talking points it is no wonder that many begin to believe in these many conspiracies. These poll results simply show the result of all that mongering by a very vocal part of the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    The electorate is in a bad place.
    As many see voter fraud as commonplace.
    The irony is that the fearmongering by the GOP on this issue is what is making people worry about this. There is little to no evidence of voter fraud.

    The truth is, if you want to rig an election, you hack the computers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    The irony is that the fearmongering by the GOP on this issue is what is making people worry about this. There is little to no evidence of voter fraud.
    We'll likely not agree, Lucky, but I don't think it's that simple.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Two versions of the same newspaper, in two different regions.

    wsj.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Two versions of the same newspaper, in two different regions.

    wsj.jpg
    Not distributed in two regions, its the morning versus afternoon/evening printing. One on left is just after his meeting with the President of Mexico, the one on the right is after he got back home and ran his mouth about making them pay for it.

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    Obama was born in America!


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    Former DC Bureau Chief: Clinton Surrogate Pitched Me ‘Birther’ Story In 2008

    And not just any Clinton surrogate:

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/wa..._medium=Social

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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