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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    Bernie Sanders has been on-message for 3+ decades about both parties and the entire system being broken, and that we should have a republican democracy WITHOUT having the political system controlled by wall street and big corporations. But he is also suggesting programs that will be economically impossible to implement ($15 minimum wage, free daycare, free healthcare, etc).
    Don't forget free college educations.
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    Has the Citizens United ruling backfired on Republicans?

    This article makes an interesting point that it has.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/08/28/jeb_...me_but_itself/

    Since all it takes is a billionaire backing you to get into the election, the Republicans get 17 people running for the nomination.

    It is also highlighted in the graph in this article:

    http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpo...m_term=nprnews

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    My favorite is Kasich. Well versed and has experience at all levels of government. Has shown he can work across the aisle to get things done. I also like Rubio and even Jeb to a certain extent, but I don't think he can win just based on lineage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utahute72 View Post
    My favorite is Kasich. Well versed and has experience at all levels of government. Has shown he can work across the aisle to get things done. I also like Rubio and even Jeb to a certain extent, but I don't think he can win just based on lineage.
    He'd make a great president. He is not the best candidate in the world, but he has never lost an election and has been a very successful governor of an important state (Ohio). His biggest problem is kind of like Romney's-he does not meet the standards of the far right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    He'd make a great president. He is not the best candidate in the world, but he has never lost an election and has been a very successful governor of an important state (Ohio). His biggest problem is kind of like Romney's-he does not meet the standards of the far right.


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    It is high time you moderate Republicans stand up and take back the party from those extremists who have been stealing it from you over the last few decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    It is high time you moderate Republicans stand up and take back the party from those extremists who have been stealing it from you over the last few decades.
    We'll get right on it.


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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    We'll get right on it.


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    I'll get on it as soon as you start calling out the left wing of the Democratic party starting with Barack Obama.

    I find it ironic that the media and left is so vocal in incessantly calling out the Tea Party and what they perceive as "extreme" when the face of their party and current POTUS s the biggest leftist the country has ever had in office. On top of that, an admitted Socialist and borderline Communist is close to taking over the lead of the DNC primaries.

    Maybe it's just me but it would seem the left needs to take a hard look in the mirror at how far from center they have strayed themselves before incessantly and hypocritically calling out the Republican party for having gone too far to the right.

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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    This will have some impact on the 2016 election:

    Obama comes under criticism from Dems over Paris rhetoric

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    This will have some impact on the 2016 election:

    Obama comes under criticism from Dems over Paris rhetoric
    Dang it. Now Obama can't get reelected.

    He had better get moving on his plan to throw away the Constitution, because he is almost out of time...

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    Trump names foreign policy adviser: his good brain.

    Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump, who has long shied away from naming any foreign policy advisors, suggested Wednesday that he was his own top consultant on the issue.

    "I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain, and I've said a lot of things," Trump said during a telephone interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

    Trump pointed to his 2000 book, where he made a reference to Osama bin Laden before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    "I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time I'll tell you who the people are," Trump said.

    "But I speak to a lot of people, but my primary consultant is myself, and I have a good instinct for this stuff,” he added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Trump names foreign policy adviser: his good brain.
    He scares me.

    Having a guy like Mitch McConnel with him scares me even more.

    I'm independent, I've voted republican in elections. But the presidential race and the senates arrogant grandstanding have just about ended that for me.


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    I read somewhere that the main difference between Trump and Cruz is that Cruz actually believes all the crap he says.

    Stuff like this out of him scares me:

    We will do what we can to help them fight this scourge, and redouble our efforts to make sure it does not happen here. We need to immediately halt the flow of refugees from countries with a significant al Qaida or ISIS presence. We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized.

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    Why Mormons are not fond of Trump.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...e-utah/474819/

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    I didn't read that article yet, but I will not be surprised to see Trump come in 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th place today in the caucuses/primaries in Utah, Arizona, Idaho, and Wyoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    I read somewhere that the main difference between Trump and Cruz is that Cruz actually believes all the crap he says.

    Stuff like this out of him scares me:
    Scares us in law enforcement too.

    Sadly most politicians don't understand the constitution and case law like they think they do


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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I might be wrong, but I don't think Trump believes it. I think he's just making it all up as he goes. He's like a sexist, racist, bigoted, rich, ugly version of me in that way.
    I agree. Trump doesn't believe it what he says. He just says whatever comes to his head that he thinks will get people riled up. Cruz believes in the stuff he espouses. That's what's so scary about him.

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    2016 Presidential Election

    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Oh, I read your post incorrectly. Sorry about that.

    I'd be surprised if Cruz believes anything very strongly. The same goes for Hilary. Those two are lifetime politicians; they likely would take any position that could help get them into office.
    My problem with Cruz is that even when he says something I agree with, he says it in a way that makes me want to find another candidate. He's simply unlikable. If he's nominated he might lose only 40 states. Trump, OTOH, might not carry a single state. I guess he'd be a historic candidate if that happened.
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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Could the Panama Papers put Sanders in the White House?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6969481.html

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    This year's election will not be "voting for" but rather "voting against" a candidate(s).

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-mor...llary-clinton/

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    Conspiracy theory: Kasich is the back-room GOP nominee the GOP will put forth if Trump fails to win the nomination on the first ballot, which Kasich is actively helping the GOP try to make sure happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Conspiracy theory: Kasich is the back-room GOP nominee the GOP will put forth if Trump fails to win the nomination on the first ballot, which Kasich is actively helping the GOP try to make sure happens.
    I actually like Kasich, I would be okay with that. Truthfully, despite being a far distance behind everyone he is the most palatable candidate left. I heard an interview with him that might support your theory. He was questioned about why he remained in the race despite a statistical impossibility of winning, to which he replied he fully expected to win the nomination still (alluding to the brokered convention). It could be that Republican establishment has encouraged him to stay in the race to force the open convention with the agreement that he'll get the nomination. Let's not forget that Cruz, along with being insane, has done a lot to embarrass the Republican party and contribute to its less-than-favorable view among voters.

    In short, your conspiracies intrigue me, I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    Conspiracy theory: Kasich is the back-room GOP nominee the GOP will put forth if Trump fails to win the nomination on the first ballot, which Kasich is actively helping the GOP try to make sure happens.
    Yes, brilliant idea by the GOP! But forth a nominee that has won only his home state! The electorate would rejoice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Yes, brilliant idea by the GOP! But forth a nominee that has won only his home state! The electorate would rejoice.
    The GOP sees the numbers though, and they know that neither Cruz nor Trump would win in a general election over either Sanders or Clinton. The social conservatism portion of the GOP is starting to fracture the party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Goldwater
    “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    The GOP sees the numbers though, and they know that neither Cruz nor Trump would win in a general election over either Sanders or Clinton. The social conservatism portion of the GOP is starting to fracture the party.
    Partly, but this time Trump is the problem and he is not from any wing of the party. He's probably farthest from the social cons.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
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    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
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    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    I liked this one too:

    Why We Shouldn’t Fight Dirty


    What I want to focus on is the fact that [Rush Limbaugh Show caller] Sean is willing to support Trump despite disagreeing with him on 80 percent of the issues because of how Trump practices politics. Because he is cruel and vulgar and mean-spirited. Because he will fight dirty.

    The following day Rush praised Sean, saying, “If Trump’s the nominee and if he does unload on Hillary Clinton as he’s promising to do, let me just tell you something: You do not know how many gazillion Americans are going to be delirious and orgasmic with delight and support.” He added, “If Trump hits her and criticizes her like the Clintons haven’t been, you’re gonna have people on that basis alone vote for [Trump], in my opinion, ’cause I don’t think people understand how pent up the frustration and the opposition to the Clintons at what they have seemingly gotten away with all of these years.”


    So there, in a nutshell, is the case for Trump by those who are supportive or at least sympathetic to him. He’ll fight dirty, and in doing so he’ll win over a “gazillion” Americans.


    The latter proposition is dubious, given that Mr. Trump’s negatives – and the intensity of his negatives — are unprecedented. Despite facing a very weak opponent in Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump is positioning himself to be crushed. But it’s the celebration of Trump’s style of politics that ought to most worry us. The very thing that ought to disqualify Trump is what commends him to many.


    Before Democrats pat themselves on the back for being paradigms of civility and decency, let’s recall that the Clintons have shown they are well practiced in the politics of personal destruction, whether it means savaging and threatening women Bill Clinton has had affairs with or those, like Ken Starr, who were appointed to investigate him. Trump is at least as skilled at this game, which means the 2016 presidential election, assuming both Clinton and Trump are the nominees, may well be the ugliest and most vicious election many of us will have ever seen.


    Read the whole thing.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    This election season reminds me a lot of 1988. Like Bush, Clinton will be a caretaker president, trying to preserve the legacy of the prior two term president. Not really popular in her own right, she will be a one-term president.

    Just as the Democrats rose from the Dukakis disaster, so will the Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    This election season reminds me a lot of 1988. Like Bush, Clinton will be a caretaker president, trying to preserve the legacy of the prior two term president. Not really popular in her own right, she will be a one-term president.

    Just as the Democrats rose from the Dukakis disaster, so will the Republicans.

    Somebody agrees with me (giving myself a huge pat on the back)


    WSJ Think Tank@WSJThinkTank 38m38 minutes ago
    We are headed toward electing a one-term president, whoever wins in Nov. http://on.wsj.com/24oRcHB by @MatthewJDowd





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