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    How Utah (the state) Thrives

    This seems like a pretty objective article about the state of Utah. I am posting it here because it doesn't seem to fit anywhere else. But stories like this, and the facts/viewpoints it reports, are important to U. of Utah sports, especially recruiting.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...an-dream-alive

    I am really not sure which way this article cuts in terms of recruiting.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 03-29-2017 at 11:09 AM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    This seems like a pretty objective article about the state of Utah. I am posting it here because it doesn't seem to fit anywhere else. But stories like this, and the facts/viewpoints it reports, are important to U. of Utah sports, especially recruiting.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...an-dream-alive
    Remember this exchange a while back? I was accused of making a weird argument in response by Rocker:

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    Mark Few on BYU ...

    "The fans there look at sports as a way of showing people how great their way of life [the Mormon religion] is and to beat a team like ours almost becomes a basketball crusade"
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    That's an amazingly perceptive statement about BYU. He's going to be hated in Provo now, but he's dead on.
    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    And Utah fans are different how? You share the same heritage; the same blood courses through your veins. Utah fans are the mirror image of BYU fans. It comes with the location, wherever you call home—or once called home—along the Wasatch Front. It's remarkable how you fail to see it
    Of course, I guess what you are doing is a little different but ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Remember this exchange a while back? I was accused of making a weird argument in response by Rocker:







    Of course, I guess what you are doing is a little different but ...
    Oh please.


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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Oh please.


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    ... and thank you ... so, you are not saying life is so great because of the "way of life" in Utah, due in large part to the [Mormon religion] that recruiting will improve as a result? And in the religion forum you didn't post:

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    I wonder if Kyle will use that in recruiting LDS athletes.
    After linking to an article written by Chase Hansen? I'm the one that can rightfully say: Oh please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    ... and thank you ... so, you are not saying life is so great because of the "way of life" in Utah, due in large part to the [Mormon religion] that recruiting will improve as a result? And in the religion forum you didn't post:



    After linking to an article written by Chase Hansen? I'm the one that can rightfully say: Oh please.
    You've forgotten what the discussion was previously about. Mark Few noted that BYU fans act like winning a game will prove that they have a great way of life.

    That's pretty funny and spot on.

    LA simply said the improved way of life in Utah (because of the LDS church) may be a recruiting tool.

    Pretty distinctly different things. Now I don't know I agree that it would matter myself, but many of your fans really do believe that winning games is going to convince people the church is true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    ...many of your fans really do believe that winning games is going to convince people the church is true.
    Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    You've forgotten what the discussion was previously about. Mark Few noted that BYU fans act like winning a game will prove that they have a great way of life.

    That's pretty funny and spot on.

    LA simply said the improved way of life in Utah (because of the LDS church) may be a recruiting tool.

    Pretty distinctly different things. Now I don't know I agree that it would matter myself, but many of your fans really do believe that winning games is going to convince people the church is true.


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    Slice it however you like, but the fact is LA is validating a way of life in the same manner. You're all part of the same loaf of bread. The only difference is you are slathered in strawberry and not blueberry jam.

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    How Utah (the state) Thrives

    Anyway, the positive article about Utah as a place where there is unusually good upward mobility should make Utah recruiting easier for some recruits. I think it's a net positive. That what I intended this thread to be about. Am I right?


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    Last edited by LA Ute; 03-31-2017 at 07:27 AM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    The art of Talking Out of Both Sides of Your Mouth - by tooblue

    So Utah fans are pointing to Alex Jensen leading people into the church, yet are largely unaware of his status today or his role in the rise of Rudy.

    It seems perhaps maybe you are obsessed with this.

    However you get an F on this assignment. You've failed to properly support your arguments. Your students would be disappointed in you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    The art of Talking Out of Both Sides of Your Mouth - by tooblue

    So Utah fans are pointing to Alex Jensen leading people into the church, yet are largely unaware of his status today or his role in the rise of Rudy.

    It seems perhaps maybe you are obsessed with this.

    However you get an F on this assignment. You've failed to properly support your arguments. Your students would be disappointed in you.


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    I teach art and philosophy. There is no such thing as an F. In fact, I'd probably get a really good grade for my arguments as presented. One day I'll have to share with you my doughnut philosophy that helped get me into grad school.

    Oh, and Ya I kinda agree: I am obsessed with all ya'll's obsession—cause it's quite the obsession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    I teach art and philosophy. There is no such thing as an F. In fact, I'd probably get a really good grade for my arguments as presented. One day I'll have to share with you my doughnut philosophy that helped get me into grad school.

    Oh, and Ya I kinda agree: I am obsessed with all ya'll's obsession—cause it's quite the obsession.
    Of course there is such a thing as an F, you guys are just afraid to say it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    Of course there is such a thing as an F, you guys are just afraid to say it.


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    You mean Freudian? Of course we are not afraid to say Freudian. For example: a while back in another thread, was it a Freudian slip when you mis-construed my "You're off your rocker" comment as sexual innuendo?

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    Bumping my original post, which doesn't mention much of anything that is covered in most of the posts in this thread:

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    This seems like a pretty objective article about the state of Utah. I am posting it here because it doesn't seem to fit anywhere else. But stories like this, and the facts/viewpoints it reports, are important to U. of Utah sports, especially recruiting.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...an-dream-alive

    I am really not sure which way this article cuts in terms of recruiting.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Dear tooblue:

    Just for you, an excerpt from the board rules:

    The cardinal rule on UtahBy5 is to attack the post or the idea, but not the poster. The camaraderie of this community is a privilege, not a right, and we will ask those who cannot follow this rule to clean up their act, and ultimately to go if they don’t.

    With that said, we also recognize that folks are frequently passionate about the issues they debate and discuss here and that community members will sometimes use sarcasm, satire, and even condescension to make a point. While we think there are better ways to get your point across, in moderation they will be tolerated. But if those rhetorical techniques are just your style or we find you using them too often, you’re going to need a new style or a new community. We’ll do our best to warn people when we see them crossing the line, but if we come home to find you got drunk and shaved the dog you will probably find yourself on the curb without a warning. So be careful, use common sense and pay attention to how people are reacting to you.

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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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