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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    This seems like a pretty objective article about the state of Utah. I am posting it here because it doesn't seem to fit anywhere else. But stories like this, and the facts/viewpoints it reports, are important to U. of Utah sports, especially recruiting.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...an-dream-alive
    Remember this exchange a while back? I was accused of making a weird argument in response by Rocker:

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    Mark Few on BYU ...

    "The fans there look at sports as a way of showing people how great their way of life [the Mormon religion] is and to beat a team like ours almost becomes a basketball crusade"
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    That's an amazingly perceptive statement about BYU. He's going to be hated in Provo now, but he's dead on.
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    And Utah fans are different how? You share the same heritage; the same blood courses through your veins. Utah fans are the mirror image of BYU fans. It comes with the location, wherever you call home—or once called home—along the Wasatch Front. It's remarkable how you fail to see it
    Of course, I guess what you are doing is a little different but ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Remember this exchange a while back? I was accused of making a weird argument in response by Rocker:







    Of course, I guess what you are doing is a little different but ...
    Oh please.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Oh please.


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    ... and thank you ... so, you are not saying life is so great because of the "way of life" in Utah, due in large part to the [Mormon religion] that recruiting will improve as a result? And in the religion forum you didn't post:

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    I wonder if Kyle will use that in recruiting LDS athletes.
    After linking to an article written by Chase Hansen? I'm the one that can rightfully say: Oh please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    ... and thank you ... so, you are not saying life is so great because of the "way of life" in Utah, due in large part to the [Mormon religion] that recruiting will improve as a result? And in the religion forum you didn't post:



    After linking to an article written by Chase Hansen? I'm the one that can rightfully say: Oh please.
    You've forgotten what the discussion was previously about. Mark Few noted that BYU fans act like winning a game will prove that they have a great way of life.

    That's pretty funny and spot on.

    LA simply said the improved way of life in Utah (because of the LDS church) may be a recruiting tool.

    Pretty distinctly different things. Now I don't know I agree that it would matter myself, but many of your fans really do believe that winning games is going to convince people the church is true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    ...many of your fans really do believe that winning games is going to convince people the church is true.
    Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!
    This thread is like when the fam's in the family car, ready to go on the big summer vacation, and the adults go back in the house for one last trip to the restroom, and your little brother jumps in the driver's seat and (somehow) gets the car high-centered on the fire hydrant in front of your house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    This thread is like when the fam's in the family car, ready to go on the big summer vacation, and the adults go back in the house for one last trip to the restroom, and your little brother jumps in the driver's seat and (somehow) gets the car high-centered on the fire hydrant in front of your house.
    The question is, who is the little brother, looking for ...

    Last edited by tooblue; 03-30-2017 at 09:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    You've forgotten what the discussion was previously about. Mark Few noted that BYU fans act like winning a game will prove that they have a great way of life.

    That's pretty funny and spot on.

    LA simply said the improved way of life in Utah (because of the LDS church) may be a recruiting tool.

    Pretty distinctly different things. Now I don't know I agree that it would matter myself, but many of your fans really do believe that winning games is going to convince people the church is true.


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    Slice it however you like, but the fact is LA is validating a way of life in the same manner. You're all part of the same loaf of bread. The only difference is you are slathered in strawberry and not blueberry jam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Slice it however you like, but the fact is LA is validating a way of life in the same manner. You're all part of the same loaf of bread. The only difference is you are slathered in strawberry and not blueberry jam.
    Ugh, I hate jam...gross.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Ugh, I hate jam...gross.
    Yeah. Who the hell uses jam?

    Preserves. We're strawberry preserves (and who the hell puts blueberry on anything? Blech)


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Ugh, I hate jam...gross.
    I always pegged you as a marmalade guy:


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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Slice it however you like, but the fact is LA is validating a way of life in the same manner. You're all part of the same loaf of bread. The only difference is you are slathered in strawberry and not blueberry jam.
    To illustrate it further, my dad's favorite joke when Notre Dame is doing well in football is to say, "Wow, did you see Notre Dame beat up <insert school name>? I don't know how to explain it but I find myself drawn to the teachings of the Catholic Church."

    The problem is, you guys actually believe that happens at BYU. Many fans actually believe that.

    So there really is no slicing it, Few noticed it and so does anyone else who encounters BYU and its fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    To illustrate it further, my dad's favorite joke when Notre Dame is doing well in football is to say, "Wow, did you see Notre Dame beat up <insert school name>? I don't know how to explain it but I find myself drawn to the teachings of the Catholic Church."

    The problem is, you guys actually believe that happens at BYU. Many fans actually believe that.

    So there really is no slicing it, Few noticed it and so does anyone else who encounters BYU and its fans.
    I don't believe it. I think you really want to believe that many fans believe it. Just because you want it to be so, doesn't make it so. What should be more worrisome to you is you appear to be projecting—looking in a mirror:


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