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    2017 NCAA Football Season

    I figured that we are far enough into 2017 to stop posting into the 2016 thread.

    This is a pretty interesting rule proposal. It would allow freshman to play in up to four games without burning their redshirt. I'm sure DHC fully endorses such a proposal.

    http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...bowls-redshirt


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    Early signing period in December was approved this afternoon. I think this helps a school like Utah who have problems when the bigger schools start pushing a recruit late in the process.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Early signing period in December was approved this afternoon. I think this helps a school like Utah who have problems when the bigger schools start pushing a recruit late in the process.




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    I'm not so sure. Doesn't just this move forward the poaching date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I'm not so sure. Doesn't just this move forward the poaching date?
    Yes, the USCs of the world will know the deadlines and will adjust their poaching accordingly.

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    I think what it does is make schools put their real offers on the table. On Dec. 19, USC sends scholarship papers to 5*. USC's backup plan to 5* is 4*, but they don't send him scholarship papers because they cannot take both 5* and 4*. Utah sends scholarship papers to 4*. It is possible that 4* will sign with Utah because he is uncertain that USC will have a place for him and he now knows that he is a top priority at Utah and a backup plan at USC. Of course, this same scenario can play out between Utah and USU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I think what it does is make schools put their real offers on the table. On Dec. 19, USC sends scholarship papers to 5*. USC's backup plan to 5* is 4*, but they don't send him scholarship papers because they cannot take both 5* and 4*. Utah sends scholarship papers to 4*. It is possible that 4* will sign with Utah because he is uncertain that USC will have a place for him and he now knows that he is a top priority at Utah and a backup plan at USC. Of course, this same scenario can play out between Utah and USU.
    But the pool of 5/4 is much smaller than the pool of 4/3. Sure, Utah can get dinged by the rule by the Utah States of the world, but we'll tread water. If we can pull guys out of the 5/4 star pool, that will help us take a step forward. I'm very much out of tune with recruiting news, because it's largely an oxymoron. But I think we'll benefit from this over time.

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    I think the other place it helps is if a kid you are after signs with someone else at the early signing date, you have more time to find someone else.

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    I don't think this signing period makes that much of a difference. What probably happens is that the blue bloods fill their classes in December, then the other P5 close up their classes between than and Feb. Expect a ton of whining right after the first signing day.

    If you really want to help the smaller P5's and G5's, then your early signing day should be in August.

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    i heard Bill Riley say that the earlier over/under for the Utes out of Vegas is 6.5. That is a tough number to accept, but when you look at it, it is a tough decision. 6 or fewer wins or 7 or more wins. I am one who hates to get my expectations ahead of performance and with so many unknowns on the offensive side of the ball and some big losses to replace on the defensive side, I could easily see the Utes win 6 or fewer games. I'm going to say they win 7. We will win the two games we are supposed to win, lose the 3 we are decided underdogs in and take 5 of 7 of the others.

    North Dakota - Win (100%)
    @ BYU - Win (60%)
    SJSU - Win (100%)
    @ Ariz. Win (60%)
    BYE
    Stanford - Loss. (30% chance at win)
    @ USC - Loss (10% chance of win)
    ASU - Win (70%)
    @ Oregon - Loss (45% chance of win, but we don't)
    UCLA - Win (55%)
    WSU - Win (55%)
    @UW - Loss (10% chance of win)
    CU - Win. (55%)

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    i heard Bill Riley say that the earlier over/under for the Utes out of Vegas is 6.5. That is a tough number to accept, but when you look at it, it is a tough decision. 6 or fewer wins or 7 or more wins. I am one who hates to get my expectations ahead of performance and with so many unknowns on the offensive side of the ball and some big losses to replace on the defensive side, I could easily see the Utes win 6 or fewer games. I'm going to say they win 7. We will win the two games we are supposed to win, lose the 3 we are decided underdogs in and take 5 of 7 of the others.

    North Dakota - Win (100%)
    @ BYU - Win (60%)
    SJSU - Win (100%)
    @ Ariz. Win (60%)
    BYE
    Stanford - Loss. (30% chance at win)
    @ USC - Loss (10% chance of win)
    ASU - Win (70%)
    @ Oregon - Loss (45% chance of win, but we don't)
    UCLA - Win (55%)
    WSU - Win (55%)
    @UW - Loss (10% chance of win)
    CU - Win. (55%)
    Looks like you have us down for 8 wins, unless you are not counting North Dakota. 3 wins in November would be a nice change, after a pretty bad October.
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    I'd say that 8 wins is a GREAT season. We face four NFL QB's this fall: Darnold, Rosen, Browning, Falk. We also face Colorado, Oregon and Stanford on top of that.

    It's no stretch to say we go 3-0 OOC.

    Then we have Arizona, Arizona State. If we go 2-0 vs those two, that puts us at 5-0.

    If we can go 1-3 vs the NFL QB's, we are now at 6-3. Can we go 2-1 vs Stanford, Washington State and Colorado? I'm not sure we can. What about 2-2 vs the QB's? Again, I'm not sure we can.

    I'd say that 7 wins should be the expectation, 8 wins is a great season, 9 wins? Wowza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    i heard Bill Riley say that the earlier over/under for the Utes out of Vegas is 6.5. That is a tough number to accept, but when you look at it, it is a tough decision. 6 or fewer wins or 7 or more wins. I am one who hates to get my expectations ahead of performance and with so many unknowns on the offensive side of the ball and some big losses to replace on the defensive side, I could easily see the Utes win 6 or fewer games. I'm going to say they win 7. We will win the two games we are supposed to win, lose the 3 we are decided underdogs in and take 5 of 7 of the others.

    North Dakota - Win (100%)
    @ BYU - Win (60%)
    SJSU - Win (100%)
    @ Ariz. Win (60%)
    BYE
    Stanford - Loss. (30% chance at win)
    @ USC - Loss (10% chance of win)
    ASU - Win (70%)
    @ Oregon - Loss (45% chance of win, but we don't)
    UCLA - Win (55%)
    WSU - Win (55%)
    @UW - Loss (10% chance of win)
    CU - Win. (55%)
    We've got the right end of the 5-4 split in league games, we get Stanford at home after a bye and we never play back-to-back road games. If Taylor is the QB Whisperer for our senior QB, we'll win 'em all save for USC and UW.

    Also, take note that the payoff on that season win total is not an even money bet. Per the odds listed, even Vegas thinks we're more likely to go over 6.5 wins than under 6.5 wins.

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    Over/ under is 6.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    If Taylor is the QB Whisperer for our senior QB, we'll win 'em all save for USC and UW.
    Our fans do this with every new OC, and with every new OC we re-learn that personnel matters as much as coaching/system. Instead of QB whisperer, we need an alchemist.

    The good news is that our recruiting has improved. Taylor may actually have some of the offensive pieces that his predecessors lacked.

    I'm still in the "bowl eligible is a good season" mode, even though other fans say my expectations are too low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Our fans do this with every new OC, and with every new OC we re-learn that personnel matters as much as coaching/system. Instead of QB whisperer, we need an alchemist.
    While I agree, Taylor is a QB guy where as our previous OC's back to Brian Johnson were not QB guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Over/ under is 6.5
    If I were a betting man I'd take that. Bill Riley said the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Instead of QB whisperer, we need an alchemist.
    What we really need is our fans to get real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    If I were a betting man I'd take that. Bill Riley said the same thing.
    I agree. I'd be shocked if we didn't win 7 games.

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    Mandel released his new college football prestige rankings:

    http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...erarchy-052517

    He has Utah in the "knights" category, which is basically a catch-all for programs that are not football powers but are relevant. It's a mish-mash with programs that won before the modern era (CU, UW, BYU), programs that have been in a national title hunt in the past decade (Utah, TCU, Baylor, Louisville), programs that are consistently good but never great (GT, Pitt, KState), and programs that have stunk for a long time but still have a smidge more cachet than the true nobodies (UVa, NCState, Syracuse).

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    Athlon released its preseason PAC 12 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams. Utah with 1 offensive player (Uhatafe -OL) on third team, 5 defensive players (Hansen and Lowell 1st, Fitts 2nd, Mokofisi 3rd, Luafatasuaga 4th) and 1 specialist (Wishnowski 1st). No other team with 1 or fewer offensive players. Washington with 6, USC and Stanford both with 5 defensive players.

    https://athlonsports.com/college-foo...onference-team.

    So, I guess my question is whether there is anyone on the offensive side of the ball with the ability to move into the top 3rd of the league at their position. Absent an injury to one of the 4 NFL bound QB's, I don't think it happens at that QB. RB is a possibility, especially since they list 8 guys. My feeling RB will be a collaborative effort throughout the season due to injuries, ineffectiveness and turnovers. Shyne will be limited early due to his ACL. Moss has the ability but was inconsistent, has injury problems (including spring) and turnover problems. I see the other guys as change-up guys and not every down backs. WR - Singleton could be that guy. TE - Handley if he can stay healthy. Of course WR/TE production assumes that we stick with the plan to throw the ball 35 or so times a game after September. OL - Bolles was an anomaly because he came in with a lot of hype and notoriety. Otherwise I think OL grow into all conference players over the course of years.

    Let's hope that the sum of the offensive parts is greater than the individual talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Mandel released his new college football prestige rankings:

    http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...erarchy-052517

    He has Utah in the "knights" category, which is basically a catch-all for programs that are not football powers but are relevant. It's a mish-mash with programs that won before the modern era (CU, UW, BYU), programs that have been in a national title hunt in the past decade (Utah, TCU, Baylor, Louisville), programs that are consistently good but never great (GT, Pitt, KState), and programs that have stunk for a long time but still have a smidge more cachet than the true nobodies (UVa, NCState, Syracuse).
    Is Penn State still a king?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    WR - Singleton could be that guy.
    I don't think Singleton will be a top WR in this conference. The competition is just too stiff. Top WRs in the Pac-12 are future early draft picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I don't think Singleton will be a top WR in this conference. The competition is just too stiff. Top WRs in the Pac-12 are future early draft picks.
    I don't think we have any future NFL WR's on the roster. The only way any WR/TE reaches that level is by sheer volume due to a change in the offense. I don't think the guys listed from WSU are NFL guys. They benefit from the number of balls thrown to them over the course of the season.

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    The guys from the 2017 recruiting class are starting to trickle into the program for summer conditioning. I saw posts indicating that both JUCO's Marquise Blair (S) and Jordan Agasiva (OL) graduated from JC. There is also a 6'1" 180 lb. Texas Tech transfer WR named Bronson Boyd, who was dismissed from Tech shortly after enrolling in January 2016. I cannot find anything official on his dismissal, but this is what the rumor mill stated: According to Red Raider Sports, mid-term signee wide receiver Bronson Boyd has been dismissed from the team as of Saturday morning.
    The official stance from LAJ’s Don Williams and Texas Tech spokesperson Robert Giovannetti is that they don’t have any information at this time, but according to this Reddit thread, Bronson screwed up royally:
    He and Farrar (another early enrollee) were out last night and they got into an argument that turned violent, and Boyd drew a pocket knife and Farrar ended up cut between his lip and his chin. Coaches and police showed quickly to tend to Farrar, who bled a lot but seems to be ok- he was back in the football facility today.
    Boyd was kicked out off the team/out of school first thing this morning. For those not keeping track, this was literally Boyd and Farrar’s second weekend at Tech. -____-
    Oh and some recruits were with them, so it basically killed our chances at a 3 star CB and a 3 star DE supposedly.
    I don’t know any reason not to trust this information from the Reddit thread, but just like anything else, take the information with a grain of salt.

    He was a 4 star recruit and the 3rd highest rated recruit in the 2016 Tech recruiting class. He had an offer from the Utes out of HS. He will need to sit this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    Is Penn State still a king?
    Any team that can score on seven straight drives against a very good USC team in a big bowl game has to be considered at least an At-Large king.

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    Bob Stoops to announce his retirement. From Oklahoma. In June.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Bob Stoops to announce his retirement.
    Wow. Didn't see that coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Bob Stoops to announce his retirement. From Oklahoma. In June.
    just more fall out from not expanding and nabbing the best college football in the world


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    The Chip Kelly sweepstakes is going to be great theater to watch next off-season.
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