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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    What a dork.
    That's Mr. Dork to you, buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I disagree with one sentiment often shared here: I LOVE going to Provo for games! I had a streak of attending 10 straight BYU/Utah games in Provo (well, minus one when I was on my mission), beginning with the greatest game of all time:

    I'm undefeated in Provo. 1993 (kick) and 1999 (cheerleader). 1993 I was in a luxury box with BYU rich people. A leader in my ward brought me there after failing to find any BYU fans in the young men's group who could go. 1999 I had a great view of the endzone fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    An interesting contrast.
    Not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I disagree with one sentiment often shared here: I LOVE going to Provo for games! I had a streak of attending 10 straight BYU/Utah games in Provo (well, minus one when I was on my mission), beginning with the greatest game of all time:

    I remember this game like it was 24 years ago.

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    Agree or disagree?


    Spencer CheckettsVerified account @1280Spence 7m7 minutes agoMore

    Text from VERY influential BYU alum: "Everything changed when Kyle (Whittingham) chose Utah over us. Everything."

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
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    Text from VERY influential BYU alum: "Everything changed when PAC-12 chose Utah over us. Everything."
    fixed it

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    Was listening to the RPO podcast that 1280 puts out.
    He said that reports out of practice this week is frustration re: Tanner's accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Utes View Post
    I was playing football in the south end when Gomez threw the TD pass. I still remember the crowd erupting.
    I had forgotten that... Yes, I always wanted to go down and play during halftime.

    How things have changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
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    Spencer CheckettsVerified account @1280Spence 7m7 minutes agoMore

    Text from VERY influential BYU alum: "Everything changed when Kyle (Whittingham) chose Utah over us. Everything."
    It did not seem that significant at the time, but in hindsight it was a significant game changer. It gave Utah a solid coach who wanted to stay at Utah and build something. The PAC 12 certainly put Utah over the top. I would say that hiring/firing Mac and catching lightning in a bottle with Urban were also critical events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    It did not seem that significant at the time, but in hindsight it was a significant game changer. It gave Utah a solid coach who wanted to stay at Utah and build something. The PAC 12 certainly put Utah over the top. I would say that hiring/firing Mac and catching lightning in a bottle with Urban were also critical events.
    I think we should give Mac a lot of credit. He wasn't the right guy for the long haul but he was perfect for his moment. The U. ought to do something to honor him.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

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    I've enjoyed reading so many memories of wins and losses today. I don't have anything new to say. I'll add voice and memory to 1978 and 1988. In '78 my grandfather had to take an adult instead of his favorite buddy for the game, me (at least that's what he told me). I listened on the radio at home. When Gomez threw the game-winner I ran outside with a metal spoon and big pot. I ran up and down the street yelling Utes win as I pounded the pot. Ten years later, I was sitting in the first few rows of the student section cheering for Scott Mitchell and crew. I've never felt more elation in a win than that day. One play particularly stands out. Someone hit Covey so hard it looked like he went threw him (was it Filipo's Dad?).

    Let me finish with a question for the board. For those of us that witnessed the many blowouts of the 70s and 80s at the hands of BYU, I wonder why we aren't stacking a few more of them up in the 2000s? Yes 54-10 happened, but there have been a number of years when I think we should simply lay it on them and we haven't. This year is another such year. I mean no disrespect. I think the talent level is significantly weighted our direction. Our offensive inconsistency seems to be an obvious reason but what other reasons are there? These last few seasons I've expected blowout wins but the narrow, nail-biting wins continue. A lot of credit goes to BYU players and coaches. I hate saying that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think we should give Mac a lot of credit. He wasn't the right guy for the long haul but he was perfect for his moment. The U. ought to do something to honor him.
    Jon Wilner just did a 20 minute podcast with Coach Mac. Listening now, so I can't vouch for it's quality. So far, good memories shared.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/0...and-much-more/

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    Quote Originally Posted by mUUser View Post
    Utah's vid by a country mile. The flip tackle, Whitt fist pump and fans descending on the 50 like red ants to a grasshopper. Even I'm ready to go take it.
    We are so damn lucky to have Whit as a coach.
    σοφῷ ἀνδρὶ Ἑλλὰς πάντα.
    -- Flavius Philostratus, Life of Apollonius 1.35.2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
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    Spencer CheckettsVerified account @1280Spence 7m7 minutes agoMore

    Text from VERY influential BYU alum: "Everything changed when Kyle (Whittingham) chose Utah over us. Everything."

    Hindsight on Whittingham's decision I'm actually surprised it was as hard of a decision as it was. Put another way, you are given two choices: coach a team that is a cinderella and media darling and that you've been part of building, or go clean up the dumpster fire that Gary Crowton had created. It actually helps me respect Bronco Mendenhall more, dude inherited a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
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    Spencer CheckettsVerified account @1280Spence 7m7 minutes agoMore

    Text from VERY influential BYU alum: "Everything changed when Kyle (Whittingham) chose Utah over us. Everything."
    I'd disagree.

    I'd say everything changed for BYU when they went Independent. They went from top 25 recruiting classes, 10 win seasons, easy path to BCS bowls to...nothing. No rivalries. No conference titles. No ranked seasons. No big bowls.

    Their pride killed them.

    Had they stayed in the MWC and won 10+ per year, won a BCS Bowl and battled with TCU, they'd be in the Big 12 instead of WV.

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    He's still a massive weirdo though.
    Last edited by Rocker Ute; 09-07-2017 at 04:40 PM.

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    "What's my favorite BYU win as a head coach? Gosh, there's been so many as a head coach, I don't know that I can say..." Whit bringing the fire!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    I'd disagree.

    I'd say everything changed for BYU when they went Independent. They went from top 25 recruiting classes, 10 win seasons, easy path to BCS bowls to...nothing. No rivalries. No conference titles. No ranked seasons. No big bowls.

    Their pride killed them.

    Had they stayed in the MWC and won 10+ per year, won a BCS Bowl and battled with TCU, they'd be in the Big 12 instead of WV.
    Evan as an independent, they balked at joining the Big 12, because they weren't sure the Big 12 would not disintegrate, and did not want to bolt the WCC so quickly. They were afraid that if the Big 12 did disintegrate, the WCC would never take them back and they would be in a world of hurt. When they balked, TCU got the golden ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Evan as an independent, they balked at joining the Big 12, because they weren't sure the Big 12 would not disintegrate, and did not want to bolt the WCC so quickly. They were afraid that if the Big 12 did disintegrate, the WCC would never take them back and they would be in a world of hurt. When they balked, TCU got the golden ticket.
    Also, they were never invited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Anyway, those of you who weren't around during that era probably will never appreciate how those of us who did live through it feel now,as we watch Utah's modern-day success. In the PAC-12!
    This is so true. My Utah/BYU awareness happened around '82. I was about 7, and I didn't really know much more than that I was a Ute fan and in my suburban Salt Lake elementary school there were fans of this other blue team that claimed that Utah sucked. That was the beginning. From there I endured year after year of the taunting and the losing. The 1988 win was a nice little reprieve, but it came crashing down with the next year's beat down.

    I could make this story longer, but just to say that by the time '93 happened, it was nothing short of a miracle. I head out on a mission and come back to a three-game winning streak which I basically thought was straight up fiction happening before my eyes. But at that point, the BYU emperor had been exposed. It took many more years and Ute wins for BYU to remotely acknowledge that Utah might maybe, possibly be their competitive equal (let alone, superior) but at least on the Ute side of the fence, we didn't fear them anymore. The mystique had been broken with that three-game streak.

    Still, based on my growing up, I think, selfishly, there will always be a demon that won't be exercised until we win nine straight.
    Last edited by FountainOfUte; 09-07-2017 at 05:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Also, they were never invited.
    Possibly in large part due to the hard-line demands they were making, especially with regard to Tier 3 rights. BYU underestimated the league's ability to survive without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Possibly in large part due to the hard-line demands they were making, especially with regard to Tier 3 rights. BYU underestimated the league's ability to survive without it.
    Heh heh.

    BYU overestimates their relevancy?

    Heh heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Possibly in large part due to the hard-line demands they were making, especially with regard to Tier 3 rights. BYU underestimated the league's ability to survive without it.
    This is all uncomfirmed rumor, right? I don't think they ever actually got close enough to make ridiculous demands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    This is all uncomfirmed rumor, right? I don't think they ever actually got close enough to make ridiculous demands.
    I honestly believe they thought the Big 12 would implode, Texas and Oklahoma would go independent, and BYU would be the leader is sports as other colleges cut the dead weight and went indy as well, and BYU would be left with the big time independents, such as Michigan, Ohio State, Penn St, USC, Texas, Oklahoma and so on.

    For all the inspiration they claim, they sure do have a hard time making a good decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utebiquitous View Post

    Let me finish with a question for the board. For those of us that witnessed the many blowouts of the 70s and 80s at the hands of BYU, I wonder why we aren't stacking a few more of them up in the 2000s? Yes 54-10 happened, but there have been a number of years when I think we should simply lay it on them and we haven't. This year is another such year. I mean no disrespect. I think the talent level is significantly weighted our direction. Our offensive inconsistency seems to be an obvious reason but what other reasons are there? These last few seasons I've expected blowout wins but the narrow, nail-biting wins continue. A lot of credit goes to BYU players and coaches. I hate saying that.
    The talent level is absolutely tilted in Utah's favor now. But the balance of power is not a mirror image of the old days when Lavell could name the score annually. Utah had a few great players surrounded by mediocrity, while byu had tremendous talent across the board and deep into the bench, with a terrific coaching staff to keep them in line.

    Oh, and post-game opioids. Those helped too.

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    I never tire of watching this.

    Last edited by LA Ute; 09-07-2017 at 08:07 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    I'd disagree.

    I'd say everything changed for BYU when they went Independent. They went from top 25 recruiting classes, 10 win seasons, easy path to BCS bowls to...nothing. No rivalries. No conference titles. No ranked seasons. No big bowls.

    Their pride killed them.

    Had they stayed in the MWC and won 10+ per year, won a BCS Bowl and battled with TCU, they'd be in the Big 12 instead of WV.
    I actually agree with Utah on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
    I actually agree with Utah on this.
    So do I. It was a pride move all the way. And we all know what goeth before a fall.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    So do I. It was a pride move all the way. And we all know what goeth before a fall.
    "Roles have been reversed: It’s now Ute supporters who have the superiority complex as once-haughty Cougar backers recede into shadows"

    http://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-ut...ssed-with-byu/

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    "Roles have been reversed: It’s now Ute supporters who have the superiority complex as once-haughty Cougar backers recede into shadows"

    http://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-ut...ssed-with-byu/
    Nah. I'm a mere observer of the Human Condition. Don't you need to say something about TV?

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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