Utah vs. Oregon 2017

[DrumNFeather]

Moving on...

Like Utah, Oregon has lost three in a row...most recently last weekend at UCLA. Oregon is 4-4, and 1-4 in league play. Their final four games are vs. Utah, @Washington, vs. Arizona, and vs. Oregon St. So from their view, this is certainly an opportunity to grab another win on their way to bowl eligibility.

Against UCLA, their current QB threw for 74 yards. I know there has been some talk about this being the week that Herbert targeted to get back, so that will be something to watch.

Obviously, the story line coming into this game will be Carrington returning to Oregon with something to prove. Secondary to that, we'll probably have some kind of QB "competition" heading into this week. Kyle said after the ASU game it was too early to discuss the starting QB for this week. That may have been some frustration speaking, but it will be interesting to see if Tyler can make enough strides in practice to not hamper the offense with his physical limitations.

We did open up as a slight favorite, so it could be an opportunity for a win...but boy do we have some work to do to get this done on the road.

[sancho]

Moving on...

Like Utah, Oregon has lost three in a row...most recently last weekend at UCLA. Oregon is 4-4, and 1-4 in league play. Their final four games are vs. Utah, @Washington, vs. Arizona, and vs. Oregon St. So from their view, this is certainly an opportunity to grab another win on their way to bowl eligibility.

Against UCLA, their current QB threw for 74 yards. I know there has been some talk about this being the week that Herbert targeted to get back, so that will be something to watch.

Obviously, the story line coming into this game will be Carrington returning to Oregon with something to prove. Secondary to that, we'll probably have some kind of QB "competition" heading into this week. Kyle said after the ASU game it was too early to discuss the starting QB for this week. That may have been some frustration speaking, but it will be interesting to see if Tyler can make enough strides in practice to not hamper the offense with his physical limitations.

We did open up as a slight favorite, so it could be an opportunity for a win...but boy do we have some work to do to get this done on the road.

Yeah, big game for both teams in terms of bowl hopes.

Oregon is night and day different with Herbert.

What are the "physical limitations" for Huntley?

[DrumNFeather]

Yeah, big game for both teams in terms of bowl hopes.

Oregon is night and day different with Herbert.

What are the "physical limitations" for Huntley?

Well, he can't run, or rather, they would prefer that he not run so as to not get banged up again, so that takes an element away from his game. On Saturday when ASU wasn't rushing anyone, he sat back in the pocket and just couldn't for the life of him make a decision. He'd make one read and throw it to the check down. When he threw it deep, it sailed high or wide, so he's either not 100% in that shoulder, or that was just a lot of rust. So I think one could argue that he's got some limitations on the deep ball accuracy due to the shoulder.

He also looked like his confidence was totally shot. I hope he can get that back.

[sancho]

When he threw it deep, it sailed high or wide, so he's either not 100% in that shoulder, or that was just a lot of rust. So I think one could argue that he's got some limitations on the deep ball accuracy due to the shoulder.

He was deadly accurate on 0-15 yard throws at the start of the season. I think that accuracy was there Sat for the most part. I don't remember great accuracy downfield even before the shoulder thing.

I'm sure the shoulder is a factor, but I think part of it is just his downfield accuracy in general.

[LA Ute]

I just hope that Oregon's vastly superior talent doesn't suddenly gel in this game.

[chrisrenrut]

What is up with our defense lately? We lok like JV against varsity out there.

[Diehard Ute]

What is up with our defense lately? We lok like JV against varsity out there.

They look like they don’t watch film

I swear we have no clue when they’re suckering us to chase the QB


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[chrisrenrut]

Offensive line not looking great either.

i hate this. It doesn't feel like we can do anything good right now.

[concerned]

Offensive line not looking great either.

i hate this. It doesn't feel like we can do anything good right now.

O line really really horrible

[LA Ute]

I’m starting to become resigned to to the reality that we just aren’t very good this year. We all hoped we would exceed expectations, but we might not even meet them.

[LA Ute]

Is anybody else thinking that Troy Taylor might eventually be a good 0C, but still needs experience? The last two or three games he has seemed a bit outmatched by the DC on the other team. All those guys are experienced.

[concerned]

Is anybody else thinking that Troy Taylor might eventually be a good 0C, but still needs experience? The last two or three games he has seemed a bit outmatched by the DC on the other team. All those guys are experienced.

I may be wrong, but i think it is more talent than scheme. Our o line is horrible. On the Carrington fumble, Simpkins got run over on his block. Nucua dropped a td. We suck basically. Everybody beats us up..

[chrisrenrut]

The law of averages caught up with us in the red zone. We were bound to score a touchdown eventually, whether by luck or design.

[LA Ute]

I may be wrong, but i think it is more talent than scheme. Our o line is horrible. On the Carrington fumble, Simpkins got run over on his block. Nucua dropped a td. We suck basically. Everybody beats us up..

Also, I think, they play like head cases. With the exception of the offense of line, they’re better than they’re playing.

[UTEopia]

Is anybody else thinking that Troy Taylor might eventually be a good 0C, but still needs experience? The last two or three games he has seemed a bit outmatched by the DC on the other team. All those guys are experienced.

I don't know and I don't know if we will ever see it at Utah. The reason this offense has no identity is because the identity is created by the HC and Whit has never been able to make up his mind what he wants the offense to be. We have been pro-style (Andy and Chow), we have been a hybrid with a heavy emphasis on power run with most everyone else and now we are a throw first, run second with Taylor. We will never see a consistent offense at Utah unless Whit makes a commitment to an offensive identity.

The bigger problem, IMO, is the inability to stop the run.

[LA Ute]

I don't know and I don't know if we will ever see it at Utah. The reason this offense has no identity is because the identity is created by the HC and Whit has never been able to make up his mind what he wants the offense to be. We have been pro-style (Andy and Chow), we have been a hybrid with a heavy emphasis on power run with most everyone else and now we are a throw first, run second with Taylor. We will never see a consistent offense at Utah unless Whit makes a commitment to an offensive identity.

Several members of our community here consider these to be pretty heretical statements.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Several members of our community here consider these to be pretty heretical statements.

All of the other Utah fan communities are unbearable right now. Those of us with heavily-callused nether regions know better, but I think we are on the precipice of witnessing a massive loss of bandwagoners.

When did Utah fans become such whiny little bitches?

[LA Ute]

All of the other Utah fan communities are unbearable right now. Those of us with heavily-callused nether regions know better, but I think we are on the precipice of witnessing a massive loss of bandwagoners.

When did Utah fans become such whiny little bitches?

My guess is that most of them are a bit younger, kind of like the post-2004 Red Sox fans who made it unpleasant for those of us who have been long-time Boston fans.

I think Kyle‘s system and approach, as frustrating as they can be, have enabled Utah to overachieve in the PAC-12. I think that approach also gives us a low ceiling. The debate that Seattle Ute and I have all the time is about whether that low ceiling is structural and immovable. (In other words, “This is as good as it gets, because we are Utah and we have inherent limitations, and we are lucky to have Whit and his approach because we will never do any better.“)

I don’t think the ceiling is immovable, but I have no illusions about how hard it might be, and how long it might take, to raise it. I also recognize it I may be wrong, and perhaps I’m simply an optimist.

[UTEopia]

Several members of our community here consider these to be pretty heretical statements.

I am certainly not calling for Whit to be fired. It was obvious the past few years that in order to take the biggest step from a competitive, hard-nosed, physical team, to a favorite to win the South, the pass game had to be more effective. It was obvious to everyone. ARod and I talked about it a lot. He believed, and I agreed, that in addition to the limitations of Travis Wilson, which he acknowledged and tried to coach around because we did not have anyone else, we did not have the playmakers at WR to be significantly better than we were. Other than the addition of Carrington, I think it is fair to say that is still the case. Wilson and Nacua may turn into those types of playmakers and the freshmen we have not seen may as well, but I think it is clear that Singleton will always be the No. 2 or 3 receiver.

I guess the point of all of this is that instead of building on what we had, a power run game and an offensive identity, Whit blew it all up to start over with the total opposite offensive style. Not only a totally different offensive style, but an offensive style headed by a guy with one year coaching experience in the last 15 years at an FBS school. I know my friendship with ARod makes me biased, but I was skeptical at the hire and mad at the firings (yes, Ericksen was fired - I know some don't believe it, but he was) from the get-go. I became hopeful that it would work, not because I believed it would work immediately, but because I am a Ute fan. I'm still skeptical and hopeful.

Whit has made his offensive bed. It is critical that he not be talked into going into a new direction. I'm guessing his brother at Timpview doesn't get hired as a coach at Utah and doesn't have a guy coaching up his son at the high school level that is an offensive wizard and then talks KW into firing the current guy and replacing him with his guy.

I had us pegged for a 7-5 or 8-4 season with definite losses to Stanford, USC and Washington and probable losses to Oregon and Washington St. I thought we had an outside chance at 9-3 and an outside chance at 6-6. I'm hoping for 6-6.

[sancho]

Other than the addition of Carrington, I think it is fair to say that is still the case.

I think there are three players on offense who are playing well - Carrington, Moss, and Huntley. I normally advocate spreading the ball around a lot, but this season I say give Carrington 15 targets and Moss 25 carries. Give Huntley at least 10 designed carries as well. Get Carrington to 200 yards. Throw it to a TE once in the 3rd quarter to catch the bad guys by surprise, and then go back to Carrington for the next five targets. Feed him all game long.

[LA Ute]

I am certainly not calling for Whit to be fired. It was obvious the past few years that in order to take the biggest step from a competitive, hard-nosed, physical team, to a favorite to win the South, the pass game had to be more effective. It was obvious to everyone. ARod and I talked about it a lot. He believed, and I agreed, that in addition to the limitations of Travis Wilson, which he acknowledged and tried to coach around because we did not have anyone else, we did not have the playmakers at WR to be significantly better than we were. Other than the addition of Carrington, I think it is fair to say that is still the case. Wilson and Nacua may turn into those types of playmakers and the freshmen we have not seen may as well, but I think it is clear that Singleton will always be the No. 2 or 3 receiver.

I guess the point of all of this is that instead of building on what we had, a power run game and an offensive identity, Whit blew it all up to start over with the total opposite offensive style. Not only a totally different offensive style, but an offensive style headed by a guy with one year coaching experience in the last 15 years at an FBS school. I know my friendship with ARod makes me biased, but I was skeptical at the hire and mad at the firings (yes, Ericksen was fired - I know some don't believe it, but he was) from the get-go. I became hopeful that it would work, not because I believed it would work immediately, but because I am a Ute fan. I'm still skeptical and hopeful.

Whit has made his offensive bed. It is critical that he not be talked into going into a new direction. I'm guessing his brother at Timpview doesn't get hired as a coach at Utah and doesn't have a guy coaching up his son at the high school level that is an offensive wizard and then talks KW into firing the current guy and replacing him with his guy.

I had us pegged for a 7-5 or 8-4 season with definite losses to Stanford, USC and Washington and probable losses to Oregon and Washington St. I thought we had an outside chance at 9-3 and an outside chance at 6-6. I'm hoping for 6-6.

It seems to me that there is every reason to believe that the defensive problems will be fixed. That’s based on history and Whitt‘s long-term performance in that area, which is superb. On the other hand, there is no reason to believe the offensive problems will be solved. There’s reason to hope; we fans always hope. But there is no basis for believing the offense will change much for the better. History just doesn’t support that. I hope Whitt stays until he retires, and I hope that we can get our offensive identity to the point where it’s in the middle of the conference. We could do pretty well with that combination. But I think that’s the best Utah is ever going to do with him as head coach.

[Nice Marmot]

I am certainly not calling for Whit to be fired. It was obvious the past few years that in order to take the biggest step from a competitive, hard-nosed, physical team, to a favorite to win the South, the pass game had to be more effective. It was obvious to everyone. ARod and I talked about it a lot. He believed, and I agreed, that in addition to the limitations of Travis Wilson, which he acknowledged and tried to coach around because we did not have anyone else, we did not have the playmakers at WR to be significantly better than we were. Other than the addition of Carrington, I think it is fair to say that is still the case. Wilson and Nacua may turn into those types of playmakers and the freshmen we have not seen may as well, but I think it is clear that Singleton will always be the No. 2 or 3 receiver.

I guess the point of all of this is that instead of building on what we had, a power run game and an offensive identity, Whit blew it all up to start over with the total opposite offensive style. Not only a totally different offensive style, but an offensive style headed by a guy with one year coaching experience in the last 15 years at an FBS school. I know my friendship with ARod makes me biased, but I was skeptical at the hire and mad at the firings (yes, Ericksen was fired - I know some don't believe it, but he was) from the get-go. I became hopeful that it would work, not because I believed it would work immediately, but because I am a Ute fan. I'm still skeptical and hopeful.

Whit has made his offensive bed. It is critical that he not be talked into going into a new direction. I'm guessing his brother at Timpview doesn't get hired as a coach at Utah and doesn't have a guy coaching up his son at the high school level that is an offensive wizard and then talks KW into firing the current guy and replacing him with his guy.

I had us pegged for a 7-5 or 8-4 season with definite losses to Stanford, USC and Washington and probable losses to Oregon and Washington St. I thought we had an outside chance at 9-3 and an outside chance at 6-6. I'm hoping for 6-6.

I agree with everything you said. It is clear the WRs have been the weak link on offense. I thought I was the only Ute fan who didn't blame the problems on offense on Roderick. He's a better OC than Taylor by a long shot. One of Whit's biggest mistake was letting Roderick go. A few tweaks and a lot more talent at WR was all Roderick needed.

[LA Ute]

This is a very, very frustrating Utah team to watch.

[USS Utah]

All things considered, I am not surprised by the offensive struggles, but I am flabbergasted at the defensive struggles.

[USS Utah]

Despite that nice scoring drive, I may need to change my photo to a Brewster Buffalo because of the defense.

[U-Ute]

Ouch.




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[LA Ute]

I read on Facebook that Huntley was really sounding off in the post-game presser and they cut the mic. Anyone hear what he said?

[concerned]

I read on Facebook that Huntley was really sounding off in the post-game presser and they cut the mic. Anyone hear what he said?

• Patrick Kinahan‏ @PKKinahan 46m46 minutes agoMore
  
  
  
  Ok, the exact quote is: "Four games straight we lost. That's (bleeping) embarrassing. Excuse my language." And with that, he was excused
  
  
  
• Patrick Kinahan‏ @PKKinahan 1h1 hour agoMore
  
  
  
  Tyler Huntley in the postgame press conference: “It’s fu$@(!? embarrassing. Excuse my language.” Utah official immediately ended interview
  

[LA Ute]

I’m kinda glad he’s angry.

[sancho]

I love football, but it could be better:

1) There's no reason why a WR stepping out of bounds and then touching the ball should be a penalty. It's enough for it to be incomplete.
2) Ineligible downfield needs work as a rule.
3) Targeting needs to be changed to allow for judgment. The sport is not getting better from the targeting rules.

Also, this is our worst and softest defense in the Pac-12.

There were a dozen examples today of "game of inches." So many big moments hinged on the smallest of things. But, even with that, Oregon rushed for 350 yards. Nothing flukey there.