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    Up the wazzu... Utah vs Washington St Football Thread

    Afternoon game mid 50s and cloudy weather... Let's do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Afternoon game mid 50s and cloudy weather... Let's do this.
    Any injury status updates?

    I don't see WSU as unbeatable, but we need Sack Lake City to return somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Any injury status updates?

    I don't see WSU as unbeatable, but we need Sack Lake City to return somehow.
    I think there are two ways to defend WSU. Rush 3 and drop 8 and bring 6 and man press. You need to change these two up and keep them guessing. I just don't see us getting much pressure with a 4 man rush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    I think there are two ways to defend WSU. Rush 3 and drop 8 and bring 6 and man press. You need to change these two up and keep them guessing. I just don't see us getting much pressure with a 4 man rush.
    I'm more worried about their defense. Washington State has always (since Leach) had a productive offense, but the difference this year is that they have a legit D. We will have to score some points on Saturday.

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    After watching ASU and Oregon destroy us on the edges, I'm less than confident about our chances.

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    WSU has incredible speed on Defense now. It is a real change for them. They shut down Stanford on all of the side to side plays, and seemed to tackle the QB/RB at the handoff point deep in the backfield on a shockingly high number of plays. Alex Grinch has turned their Defense into a legit power, and I think it is likely he will get a few HC offers after the season.

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    Agree with all the comments about WSU's defense and our defense's challenges. Our d-line can't seem to put much pressure on the opposing offense, which is not good for our 1-on-1 secondary; if our front 7 can't put much pressure on the opposing offense, then with a decent QB, our secondary won't be able to hold-up. On offense, I'm hopeful our o-line can be just average.

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    FWIW, nobody really gets much pressure on Falk. They are stellar at max protect pass protection, and the LG was a consensus All-American for a reason. (Curiously he was only a PAC-12 Honorable Mention). Falk often had 5-6 seconds or more to stand in the pocket against Stanford. We almost need to rush 3 and drop everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    FWIW, nobody really gets much pressure on Falk. They are stellar at max protect pass protection, and the LG was a consensus All-American for a reason. (Curiously he was only a PAC-12 Honorable Mention). Falk often had 5-6 seconds or more to stand in the pocket against Stanford. We almost need to rush 3 and drop everyone else.
    Funny, for some reason, I was thinking WSU gave up more sacks than most teams. Usually, Leach's QBs take a huge beating over the course of the year. What are the sack numbers this season?

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    Yeah, so WSU gives up a ton of sacks:

    http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/f...nt/team/468/p3

    Part of this is just volume - they go back to pass more than anyone. But part of it is the scheme. Leach doesn't protect QBs - he uses them and then tosses them aside.

    Anyway, whether or not WSU gives up sacks in general, I don't think they'll give them up to us. We just haven't shown that ability this year.

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    Couple of thoughts from the last game:

    1. Anyone heard about the bevy of injuries? I saw someone on here say that Blair is done for the year. Carrington? Fitts? Hughes? OThers?
    2. I love Kyle, but why does he leave the starters in so long? We have backup qbs, no? And no way Moss should be carrying the ball with 1:30 left in the game up by 73.
    3. I don't know his status, but Casey Hughes has come out of no where to be a solid db. I think he is actually better in run support, but he has been solid thru the air as well. Our dbs are good and young. Guidry makes some mistakes now and then, but the kid has flames and is getting to know the position as a true frosh. Johnson has been great because you never hear about him. Has he been targeted this year? Add in the solid safeties and we mean business nest year in the defensive backfield. We'll only say goodbye to Boobie, who is not my favorite anyway.
    4. On the other hand, our defensive line has been frankly a huge disappointemnt. Anae has been hurt but he gets little pressure on the qb. Fitts can't seem to stay on the field. Mokofisi and Lotulelei have been solid, but unspectacular. Leki Fotu has shown some promise. What happened to Max Tupai? The biggest recruit from a couple of years ago and I can't think of a play he has made all year. This is a problem when we play WSU.
    5. Sloppy beginning to that game. Both teams looked tired. I'm not sure UCLA is any good, but a win in the pac 12 is a win (especially in a year when we miss Oregon State and Cal).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Couple of thoughts from the last game:

    1. Anyone heard about the bevy of injuries? I saw someone on here say that Blair is done for the year. Carrington? Fitts? Hughes? OThers?
    Kyle said Blair may not be back for spring.

    No other season enders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Couple of thoughts from the last game:

    2. I love Kyle, but why does he leave the starters in so long? We have backup qbs, no? And no way Moss should be carrying the ball with 1:30 left in the game up by 73.
    I would imagine Whit has been asked about this very thing but I can't think of any rational explanation for leaving them in the game. I was cringing on every one of those meaningless plays at the end there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Johnson has been great because you never hear about him. Has he been targeted this year? Add in the solid safeties and we mean business nest year in the defensive backfield.
    Opposing players have only completed about four catches against Johnson this year, one of which was the huge one-handed grab by the UCLA WR.

    He completely shuts down his side of the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
    FWIW, nobody really gets much pressure on Falk. They are stellar at max protect pass protection, and the LG was a consensus All-American for a reason. (Curiously he was only a PAC-12 Honorable Mention). Falk often had 5-6 seconds or more to stand in the pocket against Stanford. We almost need to rush 3 and drop everyone else.
    It'll be interesting to see how Scalley deals with this.

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    Pease said on Riley’s show that the way to beat this WSU team is to keep their offense off the field. It’ll be interesting to see if our offense can chew up clock this Saturday.

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    One thing I saw yesterday pointed out the Faulk has been a different qb on the road. Much lower completion percentage, much higher turnover margin (and not just ASU). Hope that continues.

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    Up the wazzu... Utah vs Washington St Football Thread

    I think we will be in a much better position to win if we don’t let WSU jump out an early lead. We need to strike first. Lately we have shown some ability to play catch-up, but I don’t like our chances against WSU’s offense in that position.
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    Lots of Veterans Day stuff tomorrow.

    I am *slightly* bummed though. They’ve been advertising the Flyover for a couple months, which had me hopeful we’d get F-35’s. We’re getting helicopters. Just not quite the same.


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    No Darren Carrington and no Chase Hansen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    No Darren Carrington and no Chase Hansen.


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    Gonna take a real impressive effort to pull this one out without those guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UBlender View Post
    Gonna take a real impressive effort to pull this one out without those guys.
    No Tautoeli either


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    Give me the replay of defensive holding on our LB on a run up the middle. What was that?

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    Really hurt to come up empty on that last drive of the half.

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    Up the wazzu... Utah vs Washington St Football Thread

    Defense without Fitts, Hansen, Tautoeli, Hughes, Blackmon and Blair now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    Defense without Fitts, Hansen, Tautoeli, Hughes, Blackmon and Blair now.


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    That's over 50% of the starters, if I'm doing the math right.

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    Why are the stands emptying? We have the whiniest fanbase sometimes.

    This team deserves support. At least cheer on the positive plays.

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    I heard only a little of the game on the radio and just saw this. Did we really have 7 turnovers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I heard only a little of the game on the radio and just saw this. Did we really have 7 turnovers?


    Yes.
    And still had a chance to tie at the end.
    Vs the #2 Offense in the nation.
    And top 10 defense in most categories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I heard only a little of the game on the radio and just saw this. Did we really have 7 turnovers?
    2 fumbles
    4 INTs by Huntley
    1 INT off a Hail Mary pass on the last play by Troy W.

    Add in a bunch of injuries on defense and no Carrington, and Utah still had a chance at the end.

    Not a moral victory, of course, as there is no such thing. But it is a positive that they didn't quit and kept fighting.
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