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    Heading to Hinkle - Utah vs. Butler 2017

    Our beloved Utes have their first true road test of the year as they head to storied Hinkle Field House to take on the Butler Bulldogs.

    The Dawgs are 6-2 (4-0 at home) with wins over Princeton, Ohio St., and St. Louis most notably, and losses to Texas and Maryland.

    The Utes come into the game 6-1 with our only loss being a "neutral" site loss to UNLV.

    Butler has two guys that are currently averaging double figures (Kelan Martin, Kamar Balwdin) and three others that are close around 9 points per game.

    They've got two bigs to throw at us (Brunk and Fowler), so if Collette can stay out of foul trouble, he could be a key to victory for us.

    As usual, if we can avoid falling in love with missing a bunch of three's we might have a chance to get the road victory, though Butler is favored by 7.5. Should be interesting.
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    Butler has lost to Maryland and Texas and has wins against Ohio State, Princeton, and St Louis (a blowout).

    Here's Butler's team stats to date:

    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...tats/_/id/2086

    The only player over 6'8" getting minutes is Nate Fowler, getting 18 minutes per game. There are no shot blockers. You'd think this bodes well for Collette, but I remember thinking that last year as well. Sean McDermott (out with sprained ankle?) is the best shooter. Jorgenson shoots 36% outside. Their scoring is balanced like ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    http://www.utahby5.com/showthread.ph...489#post107489

    Butler has lost to Maryland and Texas and has wins against Ohio State, Princeton, and St Louis (a blowout).

    Here's Butler's team stats to date:

    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...tats/_/id/2086

    The only player over 6'8" getting minutes is Nate Fowler, getting 18 minutes per game. There are no shot blockers. You'd think this bodes well for Collette, but I remember thinking that last year as well. Sean McDermott (out with sprained ankle?) is the best shooter. Jorgenson shoots 36% outside. Their scoring is balanced like ours.
    this seems like a good barometer for the season. A win or a close loss and my interest will rise. A double digit loss and it will wane.

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    Go get it boys. Utah by 5!

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    Not a bad half so far. The offensive fouls they call are bad.

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    We have missed a lot of shots within 5 feet of the basket.
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    Barefield coming strong with the pull up jumpers.

    Collette yet to do any damage. He'll get it done in the 2nd half.

    Tillman still doing his thing.

    Bibbins, Bealer, and Rawson with 3's in the first half.

    Jayce needs to finish the easy ones.

    We can really fall asleep defensively for long stretches.

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    Well, that fell apart in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Well, that fell apart in a hurry.
    Collette should have stayed home. I've lost count home many layups we've given up. Sigh
    Last edited by Scorcho; 12-05-2017 at 09:40 PM.

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    Larry just tried a possession without Collette or Johnson in the game. Butler immediately went low post vs Rawson and scored easily. Johnson back in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    Collette should have stayed home. I've lost count home many layups we've given up. Sigh
    We left Collette on the bench way too long in the 2nd half. Our best chance in this game was to get him going in the post.

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    Ultimately, about what I expected.

    Somebody needs to step up and provide playable depth in the backcourt. We also need Chris Seeley for those times when foul trouble comes into play.

    I really like Tillman. If he can develop his ability to pass and continue his ability to shoot from the outside, I think he is our next early entry NBA draft pick.

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    Not unexpected, given our personnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    Ultimately, about what I expected.

    Somebody needs to step up and provide playable depth in the backcourt. We also need Chris Seeley for those times when foul trouble comes into play.

    I really like Tillman. If he can develop his ability to pass and continue his ability to shoot from the outside, I think he is our next early entry NBA draft pick.
    Same here. We go through one of these cold stretches just about every game it seems. Butler had the talent to keep us at arms length once we shot ourselves out of it. I hope Larry works with Jayce and Dave on making baskets 2 feet from the hoop.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    I'm already fascinated to see how Utah's backcourt plays out next year. The frontcourt has some intrigue too, but we know that Tillman will be the headliner there and will command all the minutes he can handle (whether it be at the three or four). Jayce Johnson will also be prominently involved either as the starting center or a backup who plays significant minutes. Battin is almost certain to have a prominent role and Seeley will hopefully be in the rotation. Utah still needs a true center as well as one more versatile forward, in my opinion.

    The backcourt though....that could get wild. It's very early still, but none of the guards who are scheduled to return next year are doing much of anything to establish their position in the lineup in the future.

    Barefield is very up and down, but mostly down. His ceiling may be that of a heat check guy off the bench on a good team.

    Van Dyke simply hasn't done anything to make a difference.

    Caldwell has already fallen out of the rotation, even against subpar opponents like Eastern Washington and Hawaii. Popoola has never been able to get into the rotation.

    With Doutrive (has anyone heard how he is looking in practice?), Jones, Gaskin and Allen (will probably also play some on the wing) coming in next year, nothing is guaranteed for any of these returners if they don't perform. It wouldn't shock me to see someone transfer out of this group due to the numbers and if any of them want their spot next year they better start showing up. I think Jones is almost certain to be a starter from day one, if Doutrive is showing well in practice he could very well be the other starting guard, leaving Barefield and the rest to compete for the 1 or 2 backup spots in the rotation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UBlender View Post
    I'm already fascinated to see how Utah's backcourt plays out next year. The frontcourt has some intrigue too, but we know that Tillman will be the headliner there and will command all the minutes he can handle (whether it be at the three or four). Jayce Johnson will also be prominently involved either as the starting center or a backup who plays significant minutes. Battin is almost certain to have a prominent role and Seeley will hopefully be in the rotation. Utah still needs a true center as well as one more versatile forward, in my opinion.

    The backcourt though....that could get wild. It's very early still, but none of the guards who are scheduled to return next year are doing much of anything to establish their position in the lineup in the future.

    Barefield is very up and down, but mostly down. His ceiling may be that of a heat check guy off the bench on a good team.

    Van Dyke simply hasn't done anything to make a difference.

    Caldwell has already fallen out of the rotation, even against subpar opponents like Eastern Washington and Hawaii. Popoola has never been able to get into the rotation.

    With Doutrive (has anyone heard how he is looking in practice?), Jones, Gaskin and Allen (will probably also play some on the wing) coming in next year, nothing is guaranteed for any of these returners if they don't perform. It wouldn't shock me to see someone transfer out of this group due to the numbers and if any of them want their spot next year they better start showing up. I think Jones is almost certain to be a starter from day one, if Doutrive is showing well in practice he could very well be the other starting guard, leaving Barefield and the rest to compete for the 1 or 2 backup spots in the rotation.
    There are two guys out there who have committable offers for 2018 and they are both long, athletic, rim protecting centers. The first is Bryan Penn-Johnson from Wasatch Academy (longshot, IMO) and the second is Lahat Thioune from Florida Prep Academy (who knows where he stands). Im pleased that the staff is working to address this shortcoming.

    Your point about the backcourt is spot on. Its been very frustrating. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see transfers out after this year. Guys who want minutes, to quote Herb Brooks in "Miracle" are going to have to start playing at a level that will force (Larry) to keep (them) here!

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