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    Biggest difference right now is were are shooting 2-13 from 3, while they are 5-10.
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    Biggest difference right now is were are shooting 2-13 from 3, while they are 5-10.
    Meanwhile, Collette is 3-4. He's our most efficient offense - should have at least 10 attempts per half.

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    Nate Cooper should die of gonorrhea and roast in hell...Utah at byu

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    Meanwhile, Collette is 3-4. He's our most efficient offense - should have at least 10 attempts per half.
    Our biggest problem is subpar talent. Rawson a starter and our leading scorer in this game. Seriously? I’m sure these kids have character, or they wouldn’t beat any d1 teams. I admire their work ethic and grit. But we don’t have much ability. I was worried about an apocalyptic season. It looks like it will just be a losing season.


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    Maybe the CBI is what we should hope for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Maybe the CBI is what we should hope for.


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    All season I’ve been reading optimism here for an ncaa bid and thinking wtf is wrong with these guys. This is not a good team. I’ve been ignoring this season because I’ve been expecting mostly pain.


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    All season I’ve been reading optimism here for an ncaa bid
    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    All season I’ve been reading optimism here for an ncaa bid and thinking wtf is wrong with these guys. This is not a good team. I’ve been ignoring this season because I’ve been expecting mostly pain.


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    That we are much better with a true freshman on the floor, and suffer this badly in his absence, says a lot about our talent level.


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    Nate Cooper should die of gonorrhea and roast in hell...Utah at byu

    Where is this year’s recruit from Michigan? Did he transfer?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    All season I’ve been reading optimism here for an ncaa bid and thinking wtf is wrong with these guys. This is not a good team. I’ve been ignoring this season because I’ve been expecting mostly pain.

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    No optimism from me. I see "talent" as gradation of physical attributes on one end of the spectrum and on-court intelligence on the other. It's tough when a team does not register on this spectrum.

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    Where is this year’s recruit from Michigan? Did he transfer?


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    Nice to see you paying attention so closely. Tillman is out with a foot injury. I love how you come on critical of what you think the opinion is most of the board, when you obviously haven't even read two pages back in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    Nice to see you paying attention so closely. Tillman is out with a foot injury. I love how you come on critical of what you think the opinion is most of the board, when you obviously haven't even read two pages back in this thread.
    SU dislikes Krysko.


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    Hawes needs to eat a few sandwiches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    All season I’ve been reading optimism here for an ncaa bid and thinking wtf is wrong with these guys. This is not a good team. I’ve been ignoring this season because I’ve been expecting mostly pain.


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    Steve Lavin, doing color for our game at Butler, said we would be in the big dance. I rolled my eyes so hardI think I sprained a facial muscle. Color guys are prone to hyperbole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Where is this year’s recruit from Michigan? Did he transfer?


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    He hurt his foot.. Late scratch

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    Nate Cooper should die of gonorrhea and roast in hell...Utah at byu

    Both our big men, Collette and Johnson, want to dribble the ball when they have it under the basket. That basic fundamental mistake — which should not be made after the 10th grade — has resulted in a turnover every time they have done it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Both our big men, Collette and Johnson, want to dribble the ball when they have the ball under the basket. That has resulted in a turnover every time they have done it....
    Yeah, but Collette is now 5-7. Going through him in the post remains our best option.

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    Both our big men, Collette and Johnson, want to dribble the ball when they have the ball under the basket. That has resulted in a turnover every time they have done it....


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    Yes, exactly right. They both do much better when they catch and make a quick move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Yeah, but Collette is now 5-7. Going through him in the post remains our best option.
    No doubt. He just needs to stop trying to dribble the ball in traffic under the hoop.

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    We didn't make up any ground with Childs out. Dang.

    Defensive rebounding is becoming an issue for us.
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    Can someone explain why we have bibbins on bryant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    We didn't make up any ground with Childs out. Dang.

    Defensive rebounding is becoming an issue for us.
    Yes, there is a clear lack of effort. The wheels are starting to come off now anyway.

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    By the way, am I the only one around here thinks that where is decision to cancel the 2016 game was an unforced error? Nothing good has come of it, it seems to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Yes, there is a clear lack of effort. The wheels are starting to come off now anyway.
    I'm with SU - I think the issue is talent more than effort. This is the first time in history that BYU has more athleticism than Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I'm with SU - I think the issue is talent more than effort. This is the first time in history that BYU has more athleticism than Utah.
    Well, Krystko and his staff recruited these kids, just like the ones who transferred. Still not impressed with our recruiting ability.

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    Did I claim to be paying attention? I said the contrary.

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    I’m not impressed that he’s in his what eighth year and we have a team with Big Sky level talent in the starting lineup. I get discouraged when I see good players transfer from our program that is so perpetually thin on ability. Stand on your principles, yeah, but ultimately you need players. I am partial to coaches with such all consuming intensity and passion for their jobs that they drive themselves nuts. I don’t get that feeling from him. I can’t stand how when they’re not in the NCAA playoffs the team just mails it in and gets annihlaited in the NIT. That speaks volumes. Our team seems to live hand to mouth. I recognized we’ll never recruit like Arizona. I defend Whit on that ground. But I don’t see any system or program for compensating for that like I did with Majerus and do with Whit. It’s just one really good JUCO or foreign player at a time, if we’re lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justaute View Post
    Well, Krystko and his staff recruited these kids, just like the ones who transferred. Still not impressed with our recruiting ability.
    I think Jayce and Tillman are the only two players on the team who were big recruiting wins. Everything else was cobbled together out of transfers.

    Next season, we will actually have a handful of players who were somewhat heavily recruited.

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    This is absolutely accurate and well stated except big recruiting wins is a little exaggerated as those players would be maybe not even fall back options for Arizona. But yes, hey, we’re Utah. That means you’ve got to get the Jimmie Sotos and Mark Jacksons who have tons of character and can be coached up a lot and share the coach’s crazy devotion to the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    I’m not impressed that he’s in his what eighth year and we have a team with Big Sky level talent in the starting lineup. I get discouraged when I see good players transfer from our program that is so perpetually thin on ability. Stand on your principles, yeah, but ultimately you need players. I am partial to coaches with such all consuming and intensity passion for their jobs that they drive themselves nuts. I don’t get that feeling from him. I can’t stand how when they’re not in the NCAA playoffs the team just mails it in and gets annihlaited in the NIT. That speaks volumes. Our team seems to live hand to mouth. I recognized we’ll never recruit like Arizona. I defend Whit on that ground. But I don’t see any system or program for compensating for that like I did with Majerus and do with Whit. It’s just one really good JUCO or foreign player at a time, if we’re lucky.
    You make a lot of good points. What I don’t understand about you is why you insist on comparing all basketball coaches to Majerus, but will not allow Whitt to be compared to Meyer.

    Anyway, Larry is not perfect. Unlike your approach to Whit, I don’t think Larry is above criticism and I’m not going to personally attack anyone who criticizes him. He made a bad mistake in canceling the 2015 game, and he has not been able to recruit well. The shoe money that is corrupting recruiting in our major rivals (think Arizona) may have something to do with that. But results are results.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I think Jayce and Tillman are the only two players on the team who were big recruiting wins. Everything else was cobbled together out of transfers.

    Next season, we will actually have a handful of players who were somewhat heavily recruited.
    Yep, in fact, most of next years recruits are tearing it up on their respective teams this year. I'm glad they are signed during the early period, and not just committed. I'm a excited for next year, and especially for the year after that.

    Losing a couple of guys last year that should be here now hurts a lot. And Larry is responsibility for that, either for recruiting the "turds", or not managing them in a way that promoted their success and longevity here.
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