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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    The idea that Trump will sabotage the current law seems to be a theme that the Democrats are promoting. We will see if it is true. This morning in a press conference Ryan seemed to say that the healthcare reform effort was not dead yet in this session of Congress. We'll see about that too.


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    If trump wanted to he could kill the ACA with one move: Get rid of the cost share reimbursement (CSR). The CSR basically lets people purchase platinum plans at Bronze prices. If Trump said they wouldnt reimburse it anymore no Insurance company would be left in the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    If trump wanted to he could kill the ACA with one move: Get rid of the cost share reimbursement (CSR). The CSR basically lets people purchase platinum plans at Bronze prices. If Trump said they wouldnt reimburse it anymore no Insurance company would be left in the market.
    He would be raked over the coals for depriving millions of people of access to insurance.

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    I was reading this morning that Trump can sabotage the private insurance market, and make it more difficult or impossible to buy a policy through an exchange. He can't, however, do much to sabotage medicaid or its expansion (and the Kansas Senate voted for expansion yesterday). The net result might be to make medicaid much more important, especially in those states that have expanded it, which ironically might mean effectively moving the US closer to a sinqie payer system.

    And it isnt just Democrats raising the spectre of sabotage. Trump has implied as much, and basically said those were his instructions to Tom Price in nominating him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    He would be raked over the coals for depriving millions of people of access to insurance.
    He wouldn't be depriving they just that you get a bronze plan at a bronze price

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    He wouldn't be depriving they just that you get a bronze plan at a bronze price

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    You need to learn to think like a liberal.

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    This piece has a political edge to it, but ignore that, it's right about the law.

    The Pre-Existing Lie

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ts-are-telling

    The legislation is going to look a lot different after the Senate gets done with it, but I doubt the pre-existing condition part will change much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    This piece has a political edge to it, but ignore that, it's right about the law.

    The Pre-Existing Lie

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ts-are-telling

    The legislation is going to look a lot different after the Senate gets done with it, but I doubt the pre-existing condition part will change much.
    I think it is fair to say that the pre-existing condition clause affects a minimal number of people - right now.

    The problem is that as people lose their jobs, are unable to find new jobs and are unable to afford private insurance, that number will grow.

    The idea of having your insurance tied to employment and having the handling of pre-existing conditions tied to continuous insurance is what makes the situation so unpalatable. Those in Congress either are unable or don't want to understand that not being able to continuously have insurance is a serious problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    I think it is fair to say that the pre-existing condition clause affects a minimal number of people - right now.

    The problem is that as people lose their jobs, are unable to find new jobs and are unable to afford private insurance, that number will grow.

    The idea of having your insurance tied to employment and having the handling of pre-existing conditions tied to continuous insurance is what makes the situation so unpalatable. Those in Congress either are unable or don't want to understand that not being able to continuously have insurance is a serious problem.
    Ironically one of the two good things with Obamacare was the requirement to cover pre-existing conditions. The other was allowing someone to stay on their parents insurance until they were 26.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    Ironically one of the two good things with Obamacare was the requirement to cover pre-existing conditions. The other was allowing someone to stay on their parents insurance until they were 26.


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    Reducing the number of uninsured by 10-14 million wasnt a good thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Reducing the number of uninsured by 10-14 million wasnt a good thing?
    At what cost and could it have been done better? I was never uninsured, but I am on substantially worse insurance at triple the cost now because of Obamacare, but at least my preventive care visits are covered now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    At what cost and could it have been done better? I was never uninsured, but I am on substantially worse insurance at triple the cost now because of Obamacare, but at least my preventive care visits are covered now.
    Very good point, of course. But the current Repub experience shows how hard it is to do it better and at less cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    At what cost and could it have been done better? I was never uninsured, but I am on substantially worse insurance at triple the cost now because of Obamacare, but at least my preventive care visits are covered now.
    The real question isn't "at what cost" as much as "who will pay for it".

    Someone has to pay for it. Healthcare costs are not coming down, insurance companies don't want to pay for it, and the people who need it can't afford it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    Ironically one of the two good things with Obamacare was the requirement to cover pre-existing conditions. The other was allowing someone to stay on their parents insurance until they were 26.
    And the bad thing was that people had to pay more. The good and bad are a package deal, aren't they?

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