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    Benevolent Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    While America is being outraged by this memo, in reading an article about Taylor Swift's countersuit of a man she claims groped him, this little tidbit was interjected into the article:

    "Swift wore a black-and-white checked dress with a collar and black tights and carried a beige handbag. She wore bright red lipstick and had her light brown hair pulled back in a bun with full bangs."

    No mention of what any of the men involved with this were wearing or had done with their hair.

    Is it just me or was that a weird thing to include in the article?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/us/tay...ial/index.html


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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Benevolent Sexism

    A surprisingly strongly worded column from David Brooks:

    Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/1...m/instapundit/

    The mob that hounded Damore was like the mobs we’ve seen on a lot of college campuses. We all have our theories about why these moral crazes are suddenly so common. I’d say that radical uncertainty about morality, meaning and life in general is producing intense anxiety. Some people embrace moral absolutism in a desperate effort to find solid ground. They feel a rare and comforting sense of moral certainty when they are purging an evil person who has violated one of their sacred taboos.

    Which brings us to Pichai, the supposed grown-up in the room. He could have wrestled with the tension between population-level research and individual experience. He could have stood up for the free flow of information. Instead he joined the mob. He fired Damore and wrote, “To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not O.K.”

    That is a blatantly dishonest characterization of the memo. Damore wrote nothing like that about his Google colleagues. Either Pichai is unprepared to understand the research (unlikely), is not capable of handling complex data flows (a bad trait in a C.E.O.) or was simply too afraid to stand up to a mob.

    Regardless which weakness applies, this episode suggests he should seek a nonleadership position. We are at a moment when mobs on the left and the right ignore evidence and destroy scapegoats. That’s when we need good leaders most.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 08-11-2017 at 10:34 AM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    A surprisingly strongly worded column from David Brooks:

    Sundar Pichai Should Resign as Google’s C.E.O.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/1...m/instapundit/


    Good stuff. Don't know the background of the author.


    Law firms have some of the same issues as the tech business when it comes to gender issues. For years now, I've been of the opinion that women leave the private practice of law for a number of reasons, but a significant reason is they don't wrap themselves up in the "status" of the job, have more balance in their life and decide fuck this, I'm not going to deal with this shit for the rest of my life. Men do that too. It seems more women do it.

    I'm saying some of the same things Damore is saying. It's frightening to me that my opinions about this topic (which actually IMO have a lot of merit) would subject me to being fired.

    The author's right. The mobs on both sides are getting out of hand. The US is becoming a place that I no longer understand.

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    Where political correctness can lead.

    https://youtu.be/gHZJsMfukQY

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    My wife follows the "Sistas in Zion", a couple of fun - and devout - African American Mormon women. She forwarded this post from this morning, on FB, after yesterday's Charlottesville "uprising":

    "It's Sunday morning and I've been up all night. I'm having a dilemma. A struggle! For the first time in my life I fear taking my child to a LDS church. My church! Her church! The only church she's ever belonged to tho not my ward. It is/would be my daughters ward while she's at school. Nonetheless it's an LDS church. It's our church! I've always taught my children that the LDS church is their home base and It's a safe place for them. However yesterday as I watched what was ha...ppening in Charlottesville VA it hit me that one of my RS sisters played a role in the planning of and helped promote such a hateful event. The realization that some of the men who attended the most recent Mormon "alt-right/alt-white" conference whose faces were covered by Pepe the Frog stickers could possibly be in leadership positions (bishops/stake president's throughout the church) has left me feeling a different type of fear as a parent. The fear of placing my child in physical and spiritual danger is now a reality. I can not suffer my child "Mormonism" over Christianity. I can not suffer my child (children) religion over personal relationship with God. I've always taught my children we are Christians that read & believe in the Book of Mormon. However today the fear and reality of the racism that still exist in Mormon wards has me contemplating my options. Do I take my daughter into a space where she is one or very few in numbers (color, her race/color is the first thing people will hear, not with their ears but their eyes.) and hope the deafening silence coming from Salt Lake and even her own home ward regarding the alt-white movement is limited to SLC/Provo/ or Utah communities? Or do I take her to the local black church and show her where to go for self-care when her church family can't speak to her pain and (or) refuse to stand with her against racism? The thought of me placing my daughter in spiritual danger amongst people I've always taught her were safe is paralyzing and for the first time in my life I fear my church community outside of my church (ward) and familiar church family. Because where I come from if you see something (wrong) you say something (right) or do something to correct the wrong. It's said that silence is agreement, and from where I'm sitting, the silence from the podium/pulpit is frightening and I can only hope it doesn't mean silent agreement. ��Tamu

    PS: I find myself asking the same question that Mama Jane (Jane Elizabeth Manning James) asked: "Is there no blessings for me?" I know I'm not alone in my search for peace & blessings. Please pray for me/us as we'll pray for you & yours."




    I have no idea how solid her worry is that LDS men were part of the Alt-Right demonstration - maybe she's having a bad morning, maybe some of her research into the past ("Mama Jane") is on her mind, sounds like maybe her daughter goes to UVa... but I'm glad she's speaking up and prompting the many reactions from current LDS folks on FB, which are uniformly supportive.

    Way back in the past century, I used to wonder "What would it be like to be in their shoes? What exactly did they *DO* to not deserve the priesthood or temple blessings?" We had exactly zero black members in Bountiful where I grew up, so there was no outpouring of support, etc. Today the greater diversity in the church prompts better, more inclusive thinking (it seems to me).

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    Benevolent Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    the deafening silence coming from Salt Lake
    For what it's worth, here's a response. Day after is pretty quick for the LDS church.

    Church Issues Statement on Situation in Charlottesville, Virginia

    http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/articl...ville-virginia
    Last edited by LA Ute; 08-13-2017 at 09:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    For what it's worth, here's a response. Day after is pretty quick for the LDS church.

    Church Issues Statement on Situation in Charlottesville, Virginia

    http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/articl...ville-virginia
    An updated response:

    http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/articl...prclt=tNTTIVsb

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    That's impressively direct and specific.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Norwegian documentary on Gender Equality

    The documentary is fascinating:



    Here's an article talking about it:

    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barb...b-a16d271223db

    But in Norway, something happened in 2011 that removed the mental blinkers. It may have contributed to the Nordic Council of Ministers’ (a regional inter-governmental co-operation consisting of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, and Iceland) decision to defund the NIKK Nordic Gender Institute, the allegedly scientific greenhouse where social and educational gender policies were seeded and nurtured, making the Nordic countries the most “gender sensitive” societies in the world ... The “something” that shook their world? A 2011 television documentary broadcast by Norwegian State Television. Made by popular satirical comedian Harald Elia (who also holds a degree in social sciences), “Hjernevask—Norwegian for “Brainwashing” exposed the unscientific character of the NIKK and its research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    The documentary is fascinating:



    Here's an article talking about it:

    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barb...b-a16d271223db
    So a very close friend of mine and I like to debate. It is particularly fun because we know each other well, can push buttons of each other and play the devil advocate while not starting WWIII.

    She has long been a proponent that boys and girls are a product of nurture. She has had three boys and has presented them with various opportunities across the traditional gender spectrum including for them trucks and dolls, etc. Her boys have gravitated towards traditional gender activities which I like to tease her about. To her credit they are very well rounded and have been exposed to a great deal of cultural things.

    A common friend of ours recently came out as trans and she desperately wanted to know my thoughts. Her husband and her had a very heated debate on this with lots of hurt feelings. I told her the bottom line for me is my understanding of gender dysphoria was limited but that the science was still out on that particular subject and so it was hard to have a conclusion other than I feel strongly that the great commandments to love thy neighbor was what I had to do. She religiously is agnostic, but grew up LDS.

    So this we discussed some more and I teasingly said, "Well you know what I think when it comes to children: Boys should play with trucks, girls should play with dolls. Boys should like to hunt, girls should like to do pretty things. Boys wear pants and girls wear dresses and have long hair and wear makeup. Boys like blue and red and girls like pink." This of course made her upset (or as upset when we are jokingly debating).

    So then I teased again, "Okay, so I am admittedly ignorant on the subject, but why when a person feels they are another gender it is manifested in those 'antiquated' gender norms I just said. Does femininity really have to do with hair and makeup and wearing dresses? Conversely why short hair for men etc. Just a couple of centuries ago pink was a masculine color."

    This was intended to make her mad and it did. She didn't like that line of questions but also didn't have answers.

    I don't understand gender issues well I know and admit that. However it seems that gender dysphoria is manifest in social constructs rather than what is actual gender? I dunno.

    I'm sure many of you better educated on the subject can enlighten me. I haven't found anything yet on the internet that addresses that but hope to learn more.

    In the meantime I'll continue to tease my friend.


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