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  1. 04-07-2017, 05:55 PM #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Let's compare:

    Bill Clinton destroys an aspirin factory in the middle of being impeached, thus inspiring the movie "Wag the Dog."

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    Just to add some meat on that slander.

    In August 1998 al-Qaida (remember them?) bombed two US embassies in Africa killing 224 people. The CIA was able to pin blame on bin Laden. President Clinton ordered an attack on two sites - one in Afghanistan where they hoped bin Laden was and one in Sudan at an al Qaida / bin Laden owned pharma plant.

    The intel on the Sudan site wasn't accurate, they thought VX nerve gas was being produced there, and the DOD target recommendation to the president was, as a result, bad.

    The CIA had intel that bin Laden and a bunch of his followers were meeting there on Aug 20. They apparently just missed killing bin Laden. Clownish republicans looking for political gain, like Orrin Hatch, accused Clinton of wagging the dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangloss View Post
    Just to add some meat on that slander.

    In August 1998 al-Qaida (remember them?) bombed two US embassies in Africa killing 224 people. The CIA was able to pin blame on bin Laden. President Clinton ordered an attack on two sites - one in Afghanistan where they hoped bin Laden was and one in Sudan at an al Qaida / bin Laden owned pharma plant.

    The intel on the Sudan site wasn't accurate, they thought VX nerve gas was being produced there, and the DOD target recommendation to the president was, as a result, bad.

    The CIA had intel that bin Laden and a bunch of his followers were meeting there on Aug 20. They apparently just missed killing bin Laden. Clownish republicans looking for political gain, like Orrin Hatch, accused Clinton of wagging the dog.

    Operation Infinite Reach
    Actually, it was the sainted Arlen Spector who simply noted the timing of that attack. Besides, it is nearly impossible to slander a sitting POTUS.

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    US airstrikes in Syria

    Well... the delusional dipshit pussies are out of power... but they are are still as wrong as ever. Queue Chuck Schumer (as he is functionally all that is left)... That fawkin moron is as big a f***tard as exists in the country... Please follow that idiot you crazy libs... please. Well, I guess you can hook up with Nancy Pelosi instead...You hate Trump... really? Trump is your target? You believe your own opinion so intelligent... Keep telling yourselves that Obama delayed Iranian nuclear bombs... It is the same delusion. Your beloved... achieved dick internationally. Worst and weakest president ever. Damn I hope Trump can unfawk the mess Obama made. Chemical weapons 100 percent out of Syria Kerry?... well except for Sarin... I guess.



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    I don't have a problem with the strike. It might lead to all kinds of other problems, but the images of those kids who were gassed, and the American military response, help counter what appeared to be a rapid decline in American moral leadership, offer a glimmer of hope that America is not going to retreat from the world, altogether.

    McMaster asserting influence in the WH, along with Kushner, at the expense of Bannon (and possibly Priebus) - these are really good signs.

    People who are impressed - or disgusted - by the Syria airstrikes need to remember that Trump really has no ideological framework he believes in (or really, understands). He is completely different than Reagan, in that regard.

    Kushner and Ivanka picking up more power, with more of a centrist political ideology, could help limit the erosion likely to occur under a Bannump presidency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    I don't have a problem with the strike. It might lead to all kinds of other problems, but the images of those kids who were gassed, and the American military response, help counter what appeared to be a rapid decline in American moral leadership, offer a glimmer of hope that America is not going to retreat from the world, altogether.

    McMaster asserting influence in the WH, along with Kushner, at the expense of Bannon (and possibly Priebus) - these are really good signs.

    People who are impressed - or disgusted - by the Syria airstrikes need to remember that Trump really has no ideological framework he believes in (or really, understands). He is completely different than Reagan, in that regard.

    Kushner and Ivanka picking up more power, with more of a centrist political ideology, could help limit the erosion likely to occur under a Bannump presidency.
    I'm actually encouraged by Bannon's demotion. He had no business being on the NSC. He also doesn't know how to negotiate, the one thing I'm sure Trump does understand. If Bannon's star is sinking, even a little bit, that's a good sign.

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    Damn... Watch this. The biased CNN anchor tried to derail this guy and she even featured Hillary... and still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devildog View Post
    Damn... Watch this. The biased CNN anchor tried to derail this guy and she even featured Hillary... and still...

    Yeah I agree it seems pretty lame to try and turn this into an attack on his Muslim ban with a guy who has nothing to do with it. Regardless of speculations about motivation, or actual damage done etc, I am guessing we won't be seeing any chemical weapons being used again in Syria and no matter your viewpoint that is a very very good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Actually, it was the sainted Arlen Spector who simply noted the timing of that attack. Besides, it is nearly impossible to slander a sitting POTUS.
    You're right, my memory is wrong.
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