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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I saw a projection somewhere that had us matched against UVA in the Sun. That would be fun. Can you imagine the meltdown in Provo if Bronco beat Whit as a wahoo?
    haven't they dusted their wooden clogging dance shoes on Bronco? That would be a fun matchup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    haven't they dusted their wooden clogging dance shoes on Bronco?


    Actually, I think the more intelligent BYU fans miss Bronco. I miss him. He was the Energizer Bunny of goofy quotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post


    Actually, I think the more intelligent BYU fans miss Bronco. I miss him. He was the Energizer Bunny of goofy quotes.
    And goofy faces.

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    I like the call to go for 2. Our offense could not be counted on to score from the 25 in overtime. In the end Troy’s apparent inability to look downfield when he leaves the pocket cost us big time. I don’t blame the kid. It’s just not in his DNA to to that. Carrington was all alone in the back of the end zone. Troy could have been the hero and made USC look like fools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I like the call to go for 2. Our offense could not be counted on to score from the 25 in overtime. In the end Troy’s apparent inability to look downfield when he leaves the pocket cost us big time. I don’t blame the kid. It’s just not in his DNA to to that. Carrington was all alone in the back of the end zone. Troy could have been the hero and made USC look like fools.
    I don't understand going for 2. The most defining stat of the season for this team is our inability to score in the red zone. Take the overtime. I thought for sure we would send the kicker out after the time out. Dang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I don't understand going for 2. The most defining stat of the season for this team is our inability to score in the red zone. Take the overtime. I thought for sure we would send the kicker out after the time out. Dang.
    Here are the things Kyle might have been thinking about: Home team wins in overtime something like 80% of the time. We were unable to stop USC’s offense the entire 2nd half. Our D had been on the field almost the entire half and was obviously gassed. Our team has Red Zone Anxiety and becomes the Keystone Kops when there.

    If Troy looks up and flips the ball to Carrington he’s a hero and Kyle’s a gutsy genius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Here are the things Kyle might have been thinking about: Home team wins in overtime something like 80% of the time.
    I don’t know where you got that number, the only data I could find was 56% for the Home team.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    I don’t know where you got that number, the only data I could find was 56% for the Home team.


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    I got it from The Thrill, whom I consider a numbers guru. Maybe he was wrong. The other reasons are good enough. FWIW, Kyle just said in the post-game interview he'd make that call 10 of 10 times. To tell the truth, I really thought we'd kick the FG because that seemed to be the conservative-type call he'd make. Shows you how much I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I like the call to go for 2. Our offense could not be counted on to score from the 25 in overtime. In the end Troy’s apparent inability to look downfield when he leaves the pocket cost us big time. I don’t blame the kid. It’s just not in his DNA to to that. Carrington was all alone in the back of the end zone. Troy could have been the hero and made USC look like fools.
    I like the chance of OT more than the chance of the 2 point converstion. We have a good kicker, which matters a lot in college OT. Plus, Darnold throws picks.

    Fun game. Disappointing finish. Our inability to stop USC on third and long is what cost us the game. They converted over and over again, including on the play of the game from Darnold.

    Great to see Moss play so well.

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    Frustrating to not be able to get the D off the field on multiple occasions in the second half.

    I don’t mind the call to go for 2. Poorly executed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hostile View Post
    Frustrating to not be able to get the D off the field on multiple occasions in the second half.

    I don’t mind the call to go for 2. Poorly executed.
    I wouldn't mind it under other circumstances, but we don't have a good track record from the 2 yard line this season. Just take the OT, and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I wouldn't mind it under other circumstances, but we don't have a good track record from the 2 yard line this season. Just take the OT, and see what happens.
    Yeah. Tough call. Our red zone offense isn’t great. USCs o line was dominating our front 7 over the 4 th quarter. And we have a qb who can’t keep his eyes upfield when he is forced to scramble.
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    USC had 3 long TD drives in the 2nd half, each involving multiple 3rd and long conversions. One was a 4th and 9. One was a 3rd and 10 with their back against the end zone. Whenever they needed a play, they made it look easy.

    I think SC could be a very good team if they had a better coaching staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    USC had 3 long TD drives in the 2nd half, each involving multiple 3rd and long conversions. One was a 4th and 9. One was a 3rd and 10 with their back against the end zone. Whenever they needed a play, they made it look easy.
    This is why I don't mind the call to go for 2. Our defense isn't going to stop USC in Overtime. Our offense is going to have to get in the end zone one way or the other. Better to try for it from the 3 for the win that from the 25 for a another tie.
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    How bout that play call on 4th and 1? First pass to a TE in forever. Loved it.

    How about the refs? Borderline incompetence on a handful of spots and other plays (delay of game!), but they sure are excellent at noticing when a lineman goes more than 5 yards downfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I like the call to go for 2. Our offense could not be counted on to score from the 25 in overtime. In the end Troy’s apparent inability to look downfield when he leaves the pocket cost us big time. I don’t blame the kid. It’s just not in his DNA to to that. Carrington was all alone in the back of the end zone. Troy could have been the hero and made USC look like fools.
    I don't think we had much to think about. Our defense was spent halfway thru the 4q, and were giving up 15 yard chunks up the gut with every handoff. I also don't mind the call, but dang, Carringron was leisurely jogging along the back of the end zone -- why wasn't he jumping up and down waving his arms in the off chance Williams might spot him? Frustrating game from Carrington.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mUUser View Post
    I don't think we had much to think about. Our defense was spent halfway thru the 4q, and were giving up 15 yard chunks up the gut with every handoff. I also don't mind the call, but dang, Carringron was leisurely jogging along the back of the end zone -- why wasn't he jumping up and down waving his arms in the off chance Williams might spot him? Frustrating game from Carrington.
    If Troy just looks up and sets his feet he has plenty of time to throw. Plenty of guys blocking in the backfield. He just panicked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mUUser View Post
    Our defense was spent halfway thru the 4q, and were giving up 15 yard chunks up the gut with every handoff.
    This seems to be the main argument for going for two. But remember, they were gassed too. OT is a crazy thing, and you never know what will happen. Utah from the 2 yard line is statistically a very unlikely conversion this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    This seems to be the main argument for going for two. But remember, they were gassed too. OT is a crazy thing, and you never know what will happen. Utah from the 2 yard line is statistically a very unlikely conversion this year.
    USC's offense didn't look very gassed on their last 2 drives. I guess us letting them run willy-nilly might have worn them out some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    USC's offense didn't look very gassed on their last 2 drives. I guess us letting them run willy-nilly might have worn them out some.
    No, both defenses were spent, though.

    Ugh, that 3rd and 10 scramble from Darnold. That's that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    No, both defenses were spent, though.

    Ugh, that 3rd and 10 scramble from Darnold. That's that game.
    so many plays where Darnold killed us by a hair's breadth. The one handed catch by his receiver on 4th down. (where his knee was down short of the first down???). the killer--where Tatiloa missed the safety by 1/2 inch, and Darnold completed the first down pass on the sidline at the 12 where the receiver barely kept his toes in bounds. Darnold killed us in the second half. Hats off to him.

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