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    Utah transfer Devon Daniels told ESPN he will visit NC State on Monday.
    We should ask him to come back. Why is he good enough for UConn and NC State but not Utah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    We should ask him to come back. Why is he good enough for UConn and NC State but not Utah?
    You really don't care about character etc do you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    You really don't care about character etc do you?


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    You assume that NC State and UConn and whoever else is recruiting Daniels don't care? It's easy to assume it's all the 18 year old black kid's fault. Sorry. I'm not going to just accept that. What we've learned from Utah's best coaches is that character proceeds from the coach. All we've heard about Daniels is innuendo leaked from the basketball office. I'm not going to take it at face value. Daniels has had the character at least to keep completely silent about his side of the story.
    I'm more concerned about what this says about the program's, that is, the coaches' character.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    You assume that NC State and UConn and whoever else is recruiting Daniels don't care? It's easy to assume it's all the 18 year old black kid's fault. Sorry. I'm not going to just accept that. What we've learned from Utah's best coaches is that character proceeds from the coach. All we've heard about Daniels is innuendo leaked from the basketball office. I'm not going to take it at face value. Daniels has had the character at least to keep completely silent about his side of the story.
    I'm more concerned about what this says about the program's, that is, the coaches' character.


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    And from where I sit Daniels is staying quiet because he has nothing to add that adds value to him.

    He knows he screwed up, and I think he knows he needed a fresh start. He's talented, but reality is he burned all his other bridges.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    You assume that NC State and UConn and whoever else is recruiting Daniels don't care? It's easy to assume it's all the 18 year old black kid's fault. Sorry. I'm not going to just accept that. What we've learned from Utah's best coaches is that character proceeds from the coach. All we've heard about Daniels is innuendo leaked from the basketball office. I'm not going to take it at face value. Daniels has had the character at least to keep completely silent about his side of the story.
    I'm more concerned about what this says about the program's, that is, the coaches' character.
    You may be right but there is not not a scintilla of evidence supporting your view. There is, however, evidence supporting the view that DD was a serious problem for the team. What I do fault LK for is not detecting the problem during recruiting. Krysko probably beats himself up for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    You may be right but there is not not a scintilla of evidence supporting your view. There is, however, evidence supporting the view that DD was a serious problem for the team. What I do fault LK for is not detecting the problem during recruiting. Krysko probably beats himself up for that.
    Larry knew. All coaches know. Let's not kid ourselves here -- Larry took a chance, and we want our coaches to take chances on talented kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Larry knew. All coaches know. Let's not kid ourselves here -- Larry took a chance, and we want our coaches to take chances on talented kids.
    Well put. Utah has to do that. Maybe not UCLA, but Utah does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Well put. Utah has to do that. Maybe not UCLA, but Utah does.
    Apparently UConn and NC State do too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Larry knew. All coaches know. Let's not kid ourselves here -- Larry took a chance, and we want our coaches to take chances on talented kids.
    That's a better way to say it. My point was that Larry could be faulted for offering Daniels. To be more precise, you're saying he made a bad bet. That, he can be faulted for.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Well put. Utah has to do that. Maybe not UCLA, but Utah does.
    Self-hating Utah fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    That's a better way to say it. My point was that Larry could be faulted for offering Daniels. To be more precise, you're saying he made a bad bet. That, he can be faulted for.
    That's results-based thinking, which many of you know I abhor. If you're gonna use a gambling comparison, please remember that even in gambling, you can make all the right decisions and still lose. I'll never fault Larry for bringing in a kid like Daniels -- it's the Tim Colemans and JoJo Zamoras that his feet should be held to the fire.

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