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sancho
11-04-2013, 11:24 AM
Games start this week. Here are some highlights, including two good Pac-12 games:

Friday night:

Davidson @ Duke. Jabari Parker's debut.
Maryland vs UConn in Brooklyn - bounceback year for the Huskies?
Oregon vs Georgetown at Camp Humphries South Korea (is that the camp from World War Z?)
CU @ Baylor

U-Ute
11-04-2013, 01:46 PM
Games start this week. Here are some highlights, including two good Pac-12 games:

Friday night:

Davidson @ Duke. Jabari Parker's debut.
Maryland vs UConn in Brooklyn - bounceback year for the Huskies?
Oregon vs Georgetown at Camp Humphries South Korea (is that the camp from World War Z?)
CU @ Baylor

I wonder how many Cougar fans will be watching, and weeping into the Haagen Dasz.

sancho
11-05-2013, 09:54 AM
ESPN ranks Pac-12 third this season. That's a pretty big and quick improvement over the past few years:

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=2147&src=mobile


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The league has been lackluster the past few seasons, but it finally has a team capable of getting to the Final Four in Arizona. Meanwhile, UCLA, Oregon and Colorado are all legitimate Top 25 teams.

Overall, nine of the conference's 12 teams have a legitimate chance to make the NCAA tourney. California has Mike Montgomery. Johnny Dawkins and Stanford have three players in Dwight Powell (http://sports.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51365/dwight-pJosh%20Huestisowell), Chasson Randle (http://sports.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56466/chasson-randle) and Josh Heustis (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51363/josh-huestis) that match up with just about anyone. Arizona State features one of the top point guards in the country in Jahii Carson (http://sports.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56293/jahii-carson), and Washington and Oregon State have an outside shot to go dancing. Utah should continue to improve, while Washington State and USC have work to do, and should finish near the bottom of the conference. The conference isn't quite as heavy at the top as the Big Ten or ACC, but it's as deep among its top nine as anyone.

311ute
11-05-2013, 10:51 AM
I'm also looking forward to USC @ Utah St on Friday. I think the Aggies will take their lumps this year in the MWC (even though the MWC won't be as good as the last few years), but the Spectrum is always a tough place to play. For USC, it will be interesting to see how Enfield's system works at USC. I personally don't think the Trojans have the horses to do it this year (although I'm hearing good things about former Ute-committ Julian Jacobs), but he has a REALLY nice recruiting class coming in next year. I think Enfield could do some real nice things at USC.

Two surprising outcomes I've heard from "secret scrimmages"... 1. SMU beat Colorado handily, 2. San Fransisco beat ASU.

I've been going back and forth about these two teams... I think both have the talent to be really good. But Colorado has a brutal non-conf schedule, and if they get off to a bad start it could be trouble for them. Tad Boyle is a good coach though, so I think they'll be alright. I think they'll be a "fringe" top-25 team. ASU though... I love Jahii Carson, and think Bachynski is a force inside. They also get Jermaine Marshall from Penn St who averaged over 15 ppg in the Big 10 last year. However, I think Herb Sendek is a lousy coach and I just have a feeling that ASU will underperform this year. They're my pick to be the "disappointment" in the conference this year.

UtahsMrSports
11-05-2013, 02:35 PM
ESPN ranks Pac-12 third this season. That's a pretty big and quick improvement over the past few years:

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=2147&src=mobile

I am baffled by the love that Oregon State has been getting by some folks. An outside shot to go dancing? Hmmmm, maybe ill end up really missing the mark on this but I just don't see them doing anything.

SoCalPat
11-06-2013, 06:31 PM
I am baffled by the love that Oregon State has been getting by some folks. An outside shot to go dancing? Hmmmm, maybe ill end up really missing the mark on this but I just don't see them doing anything.

They have five players 6-10 or taller and the best scoring guard in the league in Roberto Nelson. Eric Moreland could have been a late-first, early-second round pick had he declared. With Angus Brandt, who averaged 11 and 9 last year before ripping his ACL, you could make an argument that OSU's top 3 is the best in the league outside of Tucson. They remind me a lot of Cal last year with Alan Crabbe and a front line that was just thick and nasty.

That said, OSU has had talent before with Jared Cunningham, AJ Starks and Joe Burton and did nothing with it. I really think the problem is with the First Brother-in-Law on the bench.

sancho
11-08-2013, 05:41 PM
Watching Davidson @ Duke now. Gonna be a fun year for Duke fans like me. Lot to like about this team.

Mormon Red Death
11-10-2013, 05:32 PM
Watching former ute shawn Glover (oral rob) vs Tulsa. Utes could have used him last year

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Applejack
11-11-2013, 07:10 AM
Watching former ute shawn Glover (oral rob) vs Tulsa. Utes could have used him last year

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I liked Glover. I was sad he left. We have enough athletes this year that he would not be needed (or eligible), but I think you are right about last year's needs.

sancho
11-12-2013, 09:28 AM
MSU/KU followed by Kansas/Duke tonight. These are the two best non-conference games of the year.

concerned
11-12-2013, 09:42 AM
MSU/KU followed by Kansas/Duke tonight. These are the two best non-conference games of the year.


Also a preview of all possible Jazz draft choices

sancho
11-12-2013, 09:58 AM
Wilner with a look at the Pac-12 results so far:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2013/11/12/my-ap-top-25-basketball-ballot-huge-doubleheader-tonight-so-so-start-for-the-pac-12-perfection-for-the-wcc-and-more/

LA Ute
11-12-2013, 10:24 AM
Wilner with a look at the Pac-12 results so far:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2013/11/12/my-ap-top-25-basketball-ballot-huge-doubleheader-tonight-so-so-start-for-the-pac-12-perfection-for-the-wcc-and-more/

Prepare for a a snicker:


The Cougars could very well prove to be an NCAA Tournament-caliber team — the same goes for with Utah State — but the Pac-12 cannot afford to lose home games to the West Coast Conference and Mountain West if it hopes to re-establish itself as a top-tier conference.

sancho
11-12-2013, 10:26 AM
I know it's far too early, but the Pac-12 doesn't look to be all that improved. There are wins out there for the taking!

LA Ute
11-12-2013, 07:42 PM
Watching Michigan State-Kentucky right now. Cheering against Kentucky.

San Diego Ute Fan
11-12-2013, 11:42 PM
Watching Michigan State-Kentucky right now. Cheering against Kentucky.

Me too. Also easy to cheer for Tom Izzo. One of the good guys.

SoCalPat
11-13-2013, 08:31 AM
Watching Michigan State-Kentucky right now. Cheering against Kentucky.

Probably the most redundant thing any Ute fan can say. The mere mention of Kentucky automatically implies you're hoping the story ends in a loss, plane crash or NCAA probation.

SeattleUte
11-13-2013, 10:34 AM
Probably the most redundant thing any Ute fan can say. The mere mention of Kentucky automatically implies you're hoping the story ends in a loss, plane crash or NCAA probation.

There are a lot of reasons to hate Kentucky that have nothing to do with Utah.

LA Ute
11-13-2013, 04:36 PM
There are a lot of reasons to hate Kentucky that have nothing to do with Utah.

I got to attend the 1998 Finals and really was impressed by the graciousness of North Carolina fans in defeat, and the astonishing gracelessness of the Kentucky fans in victory.

U-Ute
11-14-2013, 09:26 AM
I got to attend the 1998 Finals and really was impressed by the graciousness of North Carolina fans in defeat, and the astonishing gracelessness of the Kentucky fans in victory.

I'm not sure "grace" and "Kentucky" have ever been used in the same sentence in a positive manner. Other than maybe "By the grace of God, we got out of Kentucky."

Diehard Ute
11-14-2013, 09:54 AM
I'm not sure "grace" and "Kentucky" have ever been used in the same sentence in a positive manner. Other than maybe "By the grace of God, we got out of Kentucky."

I'm sure they have...but only because of Whisky

sancho
11-15-2013, 10:16 AM
I know it's far too early, but the Pac-12 doesn't look to be all that improved. There are wins out there for the taking!

UCI takes down UW. With each Pac-12 bad loss, my hopes get a little higher.

Scratch
11-15-2013, 10:25 AM
UCI takes down UW. With each Pac-12 bad loss, my hopes get a little higher.

My hopes for wins get higher, but my hopes for meaningful wins get lower. With each loss like this, the bar for the various postseason tournaments inches higher.

P.S. How bad does Romar suck? Wow.

sancho
11-15-2013, 10:29 AM
My hopes for wins get higher, but my hopes for meaningful wins get lower. With each loss like this, the bar for the various postseason tournaments inches higher.

P.S. How bad does Romar suck? Wow.

True. If UCLA, Oregon and Zona are the only shots at meaningful wins, we have to win some of those and then go on volume. I was glad to see Arizona beat SDSU and that turncoat O'Brien last night.

sancho
11-17-2013, 05:53 PM
UNC loses to Belmont. Always good to see the Heels go down.

hostile
11-19-2013, 10:39 PM
Jahii Carson goes for a career high 40 and ASU beats UNLV in Vegas. Hope we can get even half of the same production from the other Bachynski.

sancho
11-25-2013, 12:33 PM
Some interesting games for Pac-12 tonight:

Arkansas @ Cal
Marquette @ ASU
Stanford @ Houtson

Plus: Minnesota @ Syracuse, Dayton @ Gonzaga

sancho
11-26-2013, 07:39 AM
Some interesting games for Pac-12 tonight:

Arkansas @ Cal
Marquette @ ASU
Stanford @ Houtson

Plus: Minnesota @ Syracuse, Dayton @ Gonzaga

Pac-12 won all three. Dayton upset Gonzaga.

Tonight:

Cal vs Syracuse, St Louis vs Wisconsin, Pitt vs Stanford, Baylor vs Dayton

BYU has one of their 5 chances (ISU, WSU, USU, UMass, Oregon) tonight vs a tournament team. They are 0-1 vs tournament teams so far. They have to win 1-2 of these, or it all comes down to Gonzaga again.

sancho
11-27-2013, 08:37 AM
BYU has one of their 5 chances (ISU, WSU, USU, UMass, Oregon) tonight vs a tournament team. They are 0-1 vs tournament teams so far. They have to win 1-2 of these, or it all comes down to Gonzaga again.

Make it 0-2 for BYU in statement games.

They are in the opposite position of us. We have 2 statement OOC games and a bunch of good games in conference play. BYU has 2 statement games in the WCC (Gonzaga twice) and 5-6 resume games in OOC. Their tournament case is mostly built before New Years.

sancho
11-29-2013, 07:46 AM
ASU finally loses - blown out by Creighton. There have been a few good Pac-12/BigEast games this year. Time to formalize the Pac-12/BigEast challenge!

Duke vs Arizona tonight is the next "game of the year."

U-Ute
11-29-2013, 06:26 PM
This Duke/Arizona Pre-Season NIT Championship game is fantastic.

Arizona is legit. They have all the pieces. I swear this is Nick Johnson's 8th year at Arizona. He reminds me of a much more athletic Jacobson.

sancho
12-03-2013, 10:07 AM
In addition to the Utes tonight, there are a few other big games (Big10/ACC challenge):

Indiana @ Syracuse
Michigan @ Duke
ND @ Iowa

FN Phat
12-05-2013, 08:50 PM
OrangeUte, where art thou? This Orange team is a ton of fun to watch. I was trying to tell you last year that if CJ would stay another year and Grant pick up some playing time that this team would be tough to beat!

sancho
12-06-2013, 03:02 PM
This weekend Kansas visits CU.

Other Pac-12:

UNLV @ Arizona
Oregon @ Marshall Henderson
UCLA @ Mizzou

OrangeUte
12-07-2013, 10:22 AM
OrangeUte, where art thou? This Orange team is a ton of fun to watch. I was trying to tell you last year that if CJ would stay another year and Grant pick up some playing time that this team would be tough to beat!

You were dead right! My kids have caught all of the games so far this year. Some huge wins. I saw the game against Indiana. Very excited for the game against St. John's next weekend in MSG.

Applejack
12-07-2013, 04:26 PM
This weekend Kansas visits CU.

Other Pac-12:

UNLV @ Arizona
Oregon @ Marshall Henderson
UCLA @ Mizzou

Colorado with the big upset over Kansas. Ucla loses at mizzou and Arizona is down couple at half to the rebels. The Pac is going to be very deep! A lot of teams in contention.

sancho
12-10-2013, 09:24 AM
Some good games tonight:

Kansas @ Florida with Kansas coming off tough road loss in Boulder
Boise St @ Kentucky
Gonzaga @ WVU - possibly the toughest OOC game for Gonzaga this season

FN Phat
12-10-2013, 11:52 AM
You were dead right! My kids have caught all of the games so far this year. Some huge wins. I saw the game against Indiana. Very excited for the game against St. John's next weekend in MSG.

Raisin' em right!

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OrangeUte
12-10-2013, 01:56 PM
Good looking picture.

The Basketball schedule this year is just awesome. I will miss many of the matchups from the big east. But this acc schedule is equally nightmarish and wonderful.

FN Phat
12-10-2013, 06:24 PM
Duke, Indiana and UNC at home? Amazing.


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OrangeUte
12-10-2013, 09:38 PM
I know it. This team could give duke and Jabrari a run for their money. Duke in the Dome... Man, I wish I was there!

sancho
12-13-2013, 12:29 PM
SI picks for the weekend. A lot of good games in there, starting with Iowa/ISU tonight. Doesn't think Utah will get it done:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20131213/iowa-iowa-state-arizona-michigan-weekend-pickoff/?eref=sihp

GarthUte
12-14-2013, 12:16 PM
Arizona just beat Michigan in a helluva game.

GarthUte
12-14-2013, 12:19 PM
SI picks for the weekend. A lot of good games in there, starting with Iowa/ISU tonight. Doesn't think Utah will get it done:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20131213/iowa-iowa-state-arizona-michigan-weekend-pickoff/?eref=sihp

Davis made a great prediction for the Arizona-Michigan game. He got the score right, but picked the wrong team.

sancho
12-16-2013, 01:17 PM
Some big Pac-12 games this week:

Stanford @ UConn (Wed)
Duke/UCLA (Thurs)
Texas Tech @ ASU, Stanford/Michigan, BYU @ Oregon, Okie St @ CU (Sat)

LA Ute
12-18-2013, 08:23 PM
I'm watching Stanford at UConn while I am on a plane flight. The Cardinal are wearing black road unis that I initially mistook for ours. They're struggling with UConn and are going to lose. We can beat Stanford. Maybe twice.

Bobby Knight is one of the broadcasters. He's actually pretty doggone good at it, IMO.

SoCalPat
12-18-2013, 10:22 PM
I'm watching Stanford at UConn while I am on a plane flight. The Cardinal are wearing black road unis that I initially mistook for ours. They're struggling with UConn and are going to lose. We can beat Stanford. Maybe twice.

Bobby Knight is one of the broadcasters. He's actually pretty doggone good at it, IMO.

You spoke way too damn soon.

LA Ute
12-18-2013, 10:45 PM
You spoke way too damn soon.

I did. It looked like UConn was going to boatrace them. I should've watched longer instead of changing the channel at halftime.

sancho
12-19-2013, 06:34 PM
This duke/ucla game is entertaining. Go devils!

U-Ute
01-09-2014, 03:11 PM
What a strange story (http://www.abqjournal.com/333766/sports/mountain-west-says-wyoming-rim-height-matter-closed.html).


As the New Mexico Lobos returned from the locker room for the second half of Wednesday night’s game against the Wyoming Cowboys, they noticed the rim on their basket for the second half was too high.

They asked game officials for a measurement and it indeed was too high and promplty lowered. UNM says the rim was raised three inches, Wyoming maintains it was one inch.


The Mountain West Conference on Thursday declined to give any details about what was determined happened in the matter, including whether someone intentionally or maliciously raised teh rim at halftime and, if not, whether Wyoming then played the entire first half on a basket that was not at regulation height.

LA Ute
01-09-2014, 04:16 PM
What a strange story (http://www.abqjournal.com/333766/sports/mountain-west-says-wyoming-rim-height-matter-closed.html).

Hmmm. Hard to see how that could be done at halftime without someone noticing. Must've happened before the game. Reminds me of ancient Ute history, when Mike Giddings watered the football field the night before a game against UTEP.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=336&dat=19671127&id=H44xAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5kkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5580,6727581

Diehard Ute
01-09-2014, 07:54 PM
Hmmm. Hard to see how that could be done at halftime without someone noticing. Must've happened before the game. Reminds me of ancient Ute history, when Mike Giddings watered the football field the night before a game against UTEP.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=336&dat=19671127&id=H44xAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5kkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5580,6727581

The baskets are raised and lowered electronically these days. Easy to hit a switch without much attention

sancho
01-09-2014, 08:01 PM
Anyone watching this ucla Arizona game? Bill Walton is in peak form.

LA Ute
01-09-2014, 11:14 PM
The baskets are raised and lowered electronically these days. Easy to hit a switch without much attention

I hadn't thought about it that way. You're probably right. Now I'm suspecting a frat initiation prank.

sancho
01-27-2014, 09:03 AM
Big games all week:

Duke at Pitt and Syracuse this week (monday/Sat).

Michigan State @ Iowa (Tuesday)

Iowa State @ Kansas (Wed)

Cincy @ Louisville (Thurs)

U-Ute
01-27-2014, 10:33 AM
Texas Tech's upcoming schedule.

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U-Ute
01-27-2014, 01:45 PM
I don't know why I still follow Marshall Mathers Henderson. It is either a schadenfreude thing or a rubbernecking thing. Maybe a little of both.

Mississippi State assistant coach has something to say about Henderson's trash talking.

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EDIT: That's supposed to be an animated gif. I guess it didn't work for some reason. Here's a link (http://ksr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Henderson.gif).

Rocker Ute
01-27-2014, 02:33 PM
I don't know why I still follow Marshall Mathers Henderson. It is either a schadenfreude thing or a rubbernecking thing. Maybe a little of both.

Mississippi State assistant coach has something to say about Henderson's trash talking.

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EDIT: That's supposed to be an animated gif. I guess it didn't work for some reason. Here's a link (http://ksr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Henderson.gif).

I so don't miss that guy. Every time I look at the box score of Ole Miss I wonder about what sort of better shot was taken at the expense of him launching up anything and everything.

LA Ute
01-27-2014, 02:56 PM
I don't know why I still follow Marshall Mathers Henderson. It is either a schadenfreude thing or a rubbernecking thing. Maybe a little of both.

Mississippi State assistant coach has something to say about Henderson's trash talking.

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EDIT: That's supposed to be an animated gif. I guess it didn't work for some reason. Here's a link (http://ksr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Henderson.gif).

Marshall looks ever so slightly taken aback.

sancho
02-11-2014, 09:03 AM
Rivalry!

Michigan @ Ohio State tonight

Duke @ UNC tomorrow

SeattleUte
02-22-2014, 01:26 PM
I agree with SCP that coaches recurringly err by calling time out too much in the last minute of games. Did anyone see the Iowa-Wisconsin game? I have a feeling Iowa would have won had the coach not called time out as his big guard, just a few seconds after Wisconsin schored to take a 1 point lead with about 30 seconds to go, was slicing through a seam to the iron.

sancho
02-22-2014, 08:32 PM
How bout Boeheim? His first appearance in Cameron and his first ever ejection, all in the same night.

hostile
02-22-2014, 08:34 PM
How bout Boeheim? His first appearance in Cameron and his first ever ejection, all in the same night.

He was not happy.

LA Ute
02-22-2014, 09:16 PM
How bout Boeheim? His first appearance in Cameron and his first ever ejection, all in the same night.

I was going to say Boeheim shouldn't have been T'd up (I don't like to see games end on T's) but I watched the replay a couple of times. The guy was 10 feet out on the floor, going nuts. Could the refs really have ignored that? I wish they had, but maybe they just couldn't.

sancho
02-22-2014, 09:50 PM
I was going to say Boeheim shouldn't have been T'd up (I don't like to see games end on T's) but I watched the replay a couple of times. The guy was 10 feet out on the floor, going nuts. Could the refs really have ignored that? I wish they had, but maybe they just couldn't.

I haven't seen too many techs this season on coaches, and I agree that's a good thing. But he absolutely had to be ejected there. No question. It's unlikely that the techs changed the outcome at that point. Possible but unlikely.

SoCalPat
02-22-2014, 11:16 PM
I haven't seen too many techs this season on coaches, and I agree that's a good thing. But he absolutely had to be ejected there. No question. It's unlikely that the techs changed the outcome at that point. Possible but unlikely.

Without the technical foul, Syracuse was 1 in 18 to win.

With it, Syracuse was 1 in 300 to win.

OrangeUte
02-23-2014, 05:46 PM
The call was blown according to Cuse fans and made correctly according to Dukie fans. Boeheim has been around long enough to know better.

It is fun to watch him lose it, though. He's a wild man.

LA Ute
02-23-2014, 05:59 PM
The call was blown according to Cuse fans and made correctly according to Dukie fans. Boeheim has been around long enough to know better.

It is fun to watch him lose it, though. He's a wild man.

I felt for you anyway, OU.

OrangeUte
02-23-2014, 06:04 PM
I felt for you anyway, OU.

You're a good man, filled with compassion!

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U-Ute
02-24-2014, 09:21 AM
I was going to say Boeheim shouldn't have been T'd up (I don't like to see games end on T's) but I watched the replay a couple of times. The guy was 10 feet out on the floor, going nuts. Could the refs really have ignored that? I wish they had, but maybe they just couldn't.

Yeah. It was unfortunate, but the referees had no choice in the call. They even waited for the 3rd 5th "that was bullsh*t" before T-ing him up the first time. In reality, they gave him a lot of leeway.

https://vine.co/v/MmO0PnEYOQl

Had he stayed on the sidelines and yelled it 3 or 4 times, or would've only gone 3 steps out, yelled once, and then retreated before continuing his verbal assault, I think they would have let it slide.

On a different note, it is amazing to think he's 69 years old. That was quite the outburst.

U-Ute
02-24-2014, 09:24 AM
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U-Ute
02-24-2014, 09:27 AM
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U-Ute
02-24-2014, 09:27 AM
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U-Ute
02-24-2014, 09:28 AM
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U-Ute
02-24-2014, 09:28 AM
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U-Ute
02-24-2014, 10:08 AM
It won't let me upload any more images. Maybe I filled up a quota or something? :(

Sorry.

SoCalPat
02-24-2014, 10:32 AM
It won't let me upload any more images. Maybe I filled up a quota or something? :(

Sorry.

You've done well. Those images were funny.

U-Ute
02-24-2014, 10:37 AM
You've done well. Those images were funny.

Just to be clear, I didn't make those images. I'm not nearly skilled enough. Nor imaginative enough.

LA Ute
02-27-2014, 01:08 PM
This was interesting and I will admit I learned a few things about the rules:

http://www.bordaslaw.com/blog/2014/02/the-most-misunderstood-rules-in-basketball-stop-yelling-at-the-officials-youre-wrong.shtml

SoCalPat
02-27-2014, 01:43 PM
This was interesting and I will admit I learned a few things about the rules:

http://www.bordaslaw.com/blog/2014/02/the-most-misunderstood-rules-in-basketball-stop-yelling-at-the-officials-youre-wrong.shtml

The advantage/disadvantage aspect is lost on about 70 percent of all basketball fans; 100 percent of fans in the Marriott Center.

I disagree slightly with bringing traveling into this discussion. How it's called is wildly inconsistent at all levels of play. I don't blame fans for their exasperation here; I blame high school officials, who are clearly trained with visual powers superior to 99.999999999 percent of the human population if we're to believe they get most traveling calls right.

Your top 20-25 percent of high school officials, with good mentors and a little polish, could probably officiate at any level; the rest of them have no business being on the floor.

Diehard Ute
02-27-2014, 02:33 PM
Consistency is the biggest problem officials have.

Watch any Pac12 game and there is no consistency within that individual game, let alone game to game. It's hard to claim fans don't know the rules when officials themselves often call the 'rules' both ways during a game.

sancho
02-27-2014, 02:38 PM
Consistency is the biggest problem officials have.


I would say that's one of many problems. Another big problem is that officials are dirtbags. Seriously, who wants to be a ref? And, having had the experience once, who wants to continue to be a ref? People who crave negative attention? People who are mentally unwell? People who love to be on TV making dramatic charge calls for the home crowd?

Refs are especially inconsistent on the advantage/disadvantage aspect that this whiny ref is harping on.

Diehard Ute
02-27-2014, 02:40 PM
I would say that's one of many problems. Another big problem is that officials are dirtbags. Seriously, who wants to be a ref? And, having had the experience once, who wants to continue to be a ref. People who crave negative attention? People who are mentally unwell? People who love to be on TV making dramatic charge calls for the home crowd?

Refs are especially inconsistent on the advantage/disadvantage aspect that this whiny ref is harping on.

You've hit on something that seems to be an issue lately....officials who seem to think fans by tickets to watch them

Refs should be like offensive lineman, no one knows who you are if you do your job well

jrj84105
02-27-2014, 04:33 PM
You've hit on something that seems to be an issue lately....officials who seem to think fans by tickets to watch them

Refs should be like offensive lineman, no one knows who you are if you do your job well
I saw a license plate last week that said REF WIFE. I made some assumptions about what kind of ref he must be.

U-Ute
02-28-2014, 09:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft28MXb1MCk

GarthUte
02-28-2014, 11:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft28MXb1MCk

Listening to the Andy Katz/Seth Greenberg podcast, I heard Greenberg suggest that the UVU student who threw the punch should be booted out of school for the remainder of the semester. He makes a great point with which I agree, particular because in that same segment, it was mentioned that the NMSU coach said that the UVU studentbody was the most vulgar group his team has had to deal with all season.

I've always felt that storming the court/field is an idiotic thing to do, so it's my hope that it will be banned. The SEC fines a school $25K if fans storm the court ($50K if it happens a 2nd time) and there was mention in that podcast that the PAC12 is looking into it as well.

Utah
02-28-2014, 11:02 PM
Listening to the Andy Katz/Seth Greenberg podcast, I heard Greenberg suggest that the UVU student who threw the punch should be booted out of school for the remainder of the semester. He makes a great point with which I agree, particular because in that same segment, it was mentioned that the NMSU coach said that the UVU studentbody was the most vulgar group his team has had to deal with all season.

I've always felt that storming the court/field is an idiotic thing to do, so it's my hope that it will be banned. The SEC fines a school $25K if fans storm the court ($50K if it happens a 2nd time) and there was mention in that podcast that the PAC12 is looking into it as well.

Storming the court is dumb, and usually nothing good comes from dumb things.

Also, UVU fans are all BYU fans, so............

#1 Utefan
03-01-2014, 06:36 AM
Storming the field in football is equally stupid. Our MUSS almost cost the football team a win over BYU two years. Not a proud moment for the student body or the university. Not a good idea to let that many people on a field or court near the players and officials.

sancho
03-01-2014, 07:06 AM
I love field/court stormings.

Utah
03-01-2014, 08:12 AM
I love field/court stormings.

I've never stormed, and I don't get the appeal, BUT maybe I just don't understand either. What is so great about storming? Thanks.

sancho
03-01-2014, 08:19 AM
I've never stormed, and I don't get the appeal, BUT maybe I just don't understand either. What is so great about storming? Thanks.

It's a celebration. It's fun. I think I've done it 4 times at Utah games and twice for other teams. I've always thought it would a tradition for a bad team to have its fans storm after every win.

DrumNFeather
03-01-2014, 02:10 PM
Wichita St. finishes an undefeated regular season. Pretty cool.

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SeattleUte
03-01-2014, 02:16 PM
It's sickening that Oregon got to play UCLA in Pauly with UCLA missing its two best players. Two teams I want to play again are Oregon and Arizona.

LA Ute
03-01-2014, 02:44 PM
It's a celebration. It's fun. I think I've done it 4 times at Utah games and twice for other teams. I've always thought it would a tradition for a bad team to have its fans storm after every win.

It is fun, but it does create really volatile situations. It seems scarier to me on basketball courts than on football fields.

OrangeUte
03-01-2014, 03:43 PM
Mighty 'Cuse is struggling against Virginia. Ennis has 4 fouls. That's not good.

U-Ute
03-02-2014, 04:15 PM
Mighty 'Cuse is struggling against Virginia. Ennis has 4 fouls. That's not good.

Because of their recent struggles, I'm predicting Syracuse to go all the way. Ennis is the 'rill 'dill..

LA Ute
03-11-2014, 09:38 PM
I just listened to Greg Wrubell call the last few minutes of the BYU-Gonzaga game. Good heavens. That guy is something else. I was actually embarrassed for him several times.

sancho
04-01-2014, 11:41 AM
Word is that Wojo is taking the Marquette job.

When Boylen was fired, the two coaches I wanted most were (1) Tony Bennett and (2) Wojo. In hindsight, I was right on Tony. I'm excited to see about Wojo. Shaka might regret turning that thing down to stay at VCU. The bratwurst in Milwaukee is much better.

#1 Utefan
04-02-2014, 10:35 AM
Yeah but the weather and everything else is better in Virginia :). If I was Smart, Marquette is not the job I'd leave for. He has already turned down better jobs then that

U-Ute
04-02-2014, 10:55 AM
Yeah but the weather and everything else is better in Virginia :). If I was Smart, Marquette is not the job I'd leave for. He has already turned down better jobs then that

But you are not Smart.

:rimshot:

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SoCalPat
04-03-2014, 03:14 PM
Something to think about regarding Florida.

The Gators have lost two games this year, Wisconsin and UConn. They have a chance to avenge both losses. To dabble a bit with boxing-speak and history, by beating both Wisky and UConn, they would be viewed as undefeated, as in a rematch, they beat the teams that originally beat them. In the history of the heavyweight division, only two boxers have ever done this -- Rocky Marciano, who didn't lose at all, and Lennox Lewis, who avenged his only losses to Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman by knockout. I'm not sure if any college basketball team has done something similar.

Also, if Florida beats Kentucky for a fourth time, I have to believe that is unprecedented as well. It doesn't take much to realize that such a feat would be, at worst, extremely rare.

DrumNFeather
04-05-2014, 09:31 PM
UCONN to face Kentucky for the title. Parts of this UK/Wisconsin game reminded me a little of our game with them in 98.

Go Huskies.

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LA Ute
04-05-2014, 10:16 PM
UCONN to face Kentucky for the title. Parts of this UK/Wisconsin game reminded me a little of our game with them in 98.

Go Huskies.

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Kentucky again. Yuck. Go Huskies.

SeattleUte
04-06-2014, 02:43 PM
Something to think about regarding Florida.

The Gators have lost two games this year, Wisconsin and UConn. They have a chance to avenge both losses. To dabble a bit with boxing-speak and history, by beating both Wisky and UConn, they would be viewed as undefeated, as in a rematch, they beat the teams that originally beat them. In the history of the heavyweight division, only two boxers have ever done this -- Rocky Marciano, who didn't lose at all, and Lennox Lewis, who avenged his only losses to Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman by knockout. I'm not sure if any college basketball team has done something similar.

Also, if Florida beats Kentucky for a fourth time, I have to believe that is unprecedented as well. It doesn't take much to realize that such a feat would be, at worst, extremely rare.

I'm still stunned Donovan screwed the pooch like he did. What a coaching disaster.

LA Ute
04-06-2014, 03:23 PM
I'm still stunned Donovan screwed the pooch like he did. What a coaching disaster.

Can you think of a past #1 seed who "cratered" as badly in the Final Four? I can''t. It was astonishing to watch.

SoCalPat
04-07-2014, 12:24 PM
Can you think of a past #1 seed who "cratered" as badly in the Final Four? I can''t. It was astonishing to watch.

I think what we did to North Carolina in 1998 certainly qualifies. Yes, there was an anxious moment or two late, but we dominated that game for 35 minutes. And while we had four future NBA guys on that team in Doleac, Mottola, Miller and Britton, North Carolina had two of the three best players on the floor, and had such a matchup occurred six weeks earlier, perception would have been that they had the two best players on the floor.

SoCalPat
04-07-2014, 12:29 PM
This ain't the place for such an opinion, but I think Kentucky wins going away tonight. Not like UNLV did against Duke in 1990, but that "comfortable" win that Kentucky hasn't had the entire tournament comes tonight and the Cats win by 8-10 points.

sancho
04-07-2014, 12:31 PM
This ain't the place for such an opinion, but I think Kentucky wins going away tonight. Not like UNLV did against Duke in 1990, but that "comfortable" win that Kentucky hasn't had the entire tournament comes tonight and the Cats win by 8-10 points.

I do too, unfortunately. I think Kentucky is too big and strong on the glass for UConn. Both teams have had great luck to get this far, but Kentucky's bigs have been dominant.

LA Ute
04-07-2014, 01:01 PM
I think what we did to North Carolina in 1998 certainly qualifies. Yes, there was an anxious moment or two late, but we dominated that game for 35 minutes. And while we had four future NBA guys on that team in Doleac, Mottola, Miller and Britton, North Carolina had two of the three best players on the floor, and had such a matchup occurred six weeks earlier, perception would have been that they had the two best players on the floor.

I thought about that one too, but the size of the egg Miami laid last Saturday seems to dwarf the one North Carolina laid in 1998.

SoCalPat
04-07-2014, 01:12 PM
I do too, unfortunately. I think Kentucky is too big and strong on the glass for UConn. Both teams have had great luck to get this far, but Kentucky's bigs have been dominant.

I almost find myself rooting for Kentucky because a Cats win, strangely enough, elevates Wichita State's profile. You go 35-1 and the only team you lost to was the national champion. Does it really matter when/where that loss happened? How are you not No. 2 in the final polls? This answer becomes more emphatic if UK wins big tonight.

concerned
04-07-2014, 01:46 PM
I heard Jay Bilas on the radio this morning saying this was the worst job the selection committee has done in many years, if not ever. Some teams overseeded, but Kentucky esp. underseeded. "All the metrics had Kentucky as a 4 at worst."
WSU never should have played them in the second round.

the script for all of UK"s games has been the same: teams build up a lead on finesse, teamwork, and good outside shooting, then get beat up and worn down in the second half. Any reason that wont happen tonight?

SeattleUte
04-07-2014, 01:47 PM
I think what we did to North Carolina in 1998 certainly qualifies. Yes, there was an anxious moment or two late, but we dominated that game for 35 minutes. And while we had four future NBA guys on that team in Doleac, Mottola, Miller and Britton, North Carolina had two of the three best players on the floor, and had such a matchup occurred six weeks earlier, perception would have been that they had the two best players on the floor.


I was going to say North Carolina 1998.

SoCalPat
04-07-2014, 04:15 PM
I heard Jay Bilas on the radio this morning saying this was the worst job the selection committee has done in many years, if not ever. Some teams overseeded, but Kentucky esp. underseeded. "All the metrics had Kentucky as a 4 at worst."
WSU never should have played them in the second round.

the script for all of UK"s games has been the same: teams build up a lead on finesse, teamwork, and good outside shooting, then get beat up and worn down in the second half. Any reason that wont happen tonight?

Bilas has an excellent point. KU was a 2 seed with the No. 1 SOS and an RPI of 3

Kentucky was an 8 seed with the No. 2 SOS and an RPI of 18.

SoCalPat
04-07-2014, 09:52 PM
Kentucky lost tonight because it was a disaster from the line and because it couldn't get Randle the ball in the blocks. But if Cauley-Stein didn't play against WSU, no way does Kentucky make it this far anyway.