New uni's 2014

[DanielLaRusso]

I don't need to explain this thread, do I?

Oregon starts us off early (http://imgur.com/a/V0zdR)

[Hot Lunch]

Those are awesome. I love about 93% of the uni's that Oregon wear on game days.

[roseparkutes]

east Carolina has some pretty cool prototype helmets

[UteBow]

First step is switching to Nike. I feel generally Under Armour sponsored teams either look rather plain (Toledo) or too flamboyant (Maryland). Interesting, too, that 10 Pac-12 teams are sponsored by Nike (Utah - UA and UCLA - Adidas).

[Diehard Ute]

First step is switching to Nike. I feel generally Under Armour sponsored teams either look rather plain (Toledo) or too flamboyant (Maryland). Interesting, too, that 10 Pac-12 teams are sponsored by Nike (Utah - UA and UCLA - Adidas).

Not going to happen.

Nike treated Utah very poorly, the contract with UA is far better financially for the Utes, it's not even close.

[Brian]

Dumb question.
How do these contracts work?
What does UA supply? Everything?
Is it free gear only, or do they kick in some cash as well?

[Diehard Ute]

Dumb question.
How do these contracts work?
What does UA supply? Everything?
Is it free gear only, or do they kick in some cash as well?

Utah's deal with UA provides both financial consideration as well as product.

Previous contracts were done by sport, and rarely provided more than a discount on the purchase of uniforms and a payment to the coach of that sport. The current deal provides those uniforms and other equipment, and then a discount on other purchases, as well as cash.

[DanielLaRusso]

For those interested, you can view the contract here (http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/blog/threads_and_laces/2013/12/database-nike-adidas-under-armour-ncaa.html?appSession=815292387276578&RecordID=58&PageID=3&PrevPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPIsortType=&CPIorderBy=&cbCurrentRecordPosition=1)

The big difference between our contract and most Nike contracts is the lack of discretionary spending...which is what many schools use to spend on things like alternate helmets provided by HydroGraphics.

[UteBow]

Dumb question.
How do these contracts work?
What does UA supply? Everything?
Is it free gear only, or do they kick in some cash as well?

UA provides annual quarterly payments of an undisclosed amount (UA considers values trade secrets) and certain product allotments with wholesale pricing on everything else, but Utah can only exclusively wear UA apparel. So, there is monetary compensation. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Utah signed a five-year contract in 2008? I haven’t heard of an extension or restructured deal?

@Diehard Ute: I don’t think Utah is unhappy with UA, so I wouldn’t imagine a sponsorship switch to Nike. I wasn’t talking in a realistic tone… just an offhand opinion. You never know though, perhaps Nike would offer more lucrative benefits now that Utah is in the Pac-12?

[DanielLaRusso]

UA provides annual quarterly payments of an undisclosed amount (UA considers values trade secrets) and certain product allotments with wholesale pricing on everything else, but Utah can only exclusively wear UA apparel. So, there is monetary compensation. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Utah signed a five-year contract in 2008? I haven’t heard of an extension or restructured deal?

@Diehard Ute: I don’t think Utah is unhappy with UA, so I wouldn’t imagine a sponsorship switch to Nike. I wasn’t talking in a realistic tone… just an offhand opinion. You never know though, perhaps Nike would offer more lucrative benefits now that Utah is in the Pac-12?

Read the link I posted.

[NinerUte]

Do we have an idea on when the new Unis will be released?

[Hot Lunch]

Not going to happen.

Nike treated Utah very poorly, the contract with UA is far better financially for the Utes, it's not even close.

This is true and very unfortunate. Utah was also in the Mtn.West when they were a Nike school and I wonder if being in the Pac-12 would make a big difference there. I think it would.

I wish Utah was a Nike school. I also think being a Nike school helps with recruiting. Nike owns the market and I can see why. There gear is so much better than UA, Adidas etc.

[Diehard Ute]

This is true and very unfortunate. Utah was also in the Mtn.West when they were a Nike school and I wonder if being in the Pac-12 would make a big difference there. I think it would.

I wish Utah was a Nike school. I also think being a Nike school helps with recruiting. Nike owns the market and I can see why. There gear is so much better than UA, Adidas etc.

I'd disagree. I used to be a diehard Nike guy. I'd only wear Nike's and had Jordan's for years.

I've switched to UA. My Nike shoes would fall apart after 6 months the last few pairs I bought. Their sweatshirts would often fade within months.

My UA shoes have each lasted me 2+ years and their clothing retains color and size.

I also wear what UA started with at work (most cops and soldiers do) and the stuff is awesome. My dollars switched simply due to quality.

Given Notre Dame's new UA deal I'd say the landscape is changing (I also don't think Nike ever presented Utah with an offer even close to what UA did, and I doubt the Pac12 would change that)

[Hot Lunch]

I'd disagree. I used to be a diehard Nike guy. I'd only wear Nike's and had Jordan's for years.

I've switched to UA. My Nike shoes would fall apart after 6 months the last few pairs I bought. Their sweatshirts would often fade within months.

My UA shoes have each lasted me 2+ years and their clothing retains color and size.

I also wear what UA started with at work (most cops and soldiers do) and the stuff is awesome. My dollars switched simply due to quality.

Given Notre Dame's new UA deal I'd say the landscape is changing (I also don't think Nike ever presented Utah with an offer even close to what UA did, and I doubt the Pac12 would change that)

I can't speak to the quality or durability difference between the two, I don't own a lot of UA gear, I will say that the look and fasion of Nike is about 100x better IMO than UA. I also think that the youth of today agree with me. Especially when it comes to basketball. UA is so far behind in hoops shoes and style. UA basketball shoes are just awful looking. They have closed the gap in football. They still have a long way to go but it is getting better. I can agree with that. The ND contract will help that.

I will say this, I did buy a pair of UA sweat pants last week. Have to admit, they are the most comfortable pair I have ever owned.

[roseparkutes]

Id love to see these helmets, I know one is a no go for sure


http://thedahlelama.com/red-profile-white-new.jpg


http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/de/45/ef/de45efafc126650703b0a3528c47dd3e.jpg

[UteBeliever aka Port]

Id love to see these helmets, I know one is a no go for sure


http://thedahlelama.com/red-profile-white-new.jpg


http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/de/45/ef/de45efafc126650703b0a3528c47dd3e.jpg

I don't know why it has to be a "no go for sure". I think it could actually be nicely worked into a Ute Tribe appreciation game which I am sure would go a long way towards bringing some attention about the Ute tribe, informing fans of other schools and strengthening the school's relationship with the tribe.

It seems every single game has some "theme" to it these days. Add one for Ute Tribe appreciation. Make a big, big deal. Not just the helmets.

[Damage U]

Maybe do it for the Homecoming game. Tie homecoming and Ute heritage together.

[roseparkutes]

I love the idea of a Ute nation heritage game or some thing along those lines. is there any idea of when they will announce the new unis?

[DanielLaRusso]

Florida State continues to show why it's nice to have unflinching tribal support of your brand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-rC4A3f3lI

And here's some school in Miami with a U in its name or something....
http://i.imgur.com/srLVK2R.jpg
Everything is covered in sublimated ibises...ibi?...ibises, in case you can't tell.

[Damage U]

Those are sweet FSU unis. I'd love to see Utah do something the same way. Is it the Ute tribe or the university that is so stand offish with incorporating Ute traditions?

[Diehard Ute]

Those are sweet FSU unis. I'd love to see Utah do something the same way. Is it the Ute tribe or the university that is so stand offish with incorporating Ute traditions?

The Tribe. The U agreed to not use any Native American references and images in order to keep the name and drum and feather.

[DanielLaRusso]

Based on the last 2 sets of new uni's, and today's as well, frosted gloss paint is the new chrome...Heeeeeeere's Syracuse (http://cuse.com/galleries/?gallery=1052)

[Utah]

Based on the last 2 sets of new uni's, and today's as well, frosted gloss paint is the new chrome...Heeeeeeere's Syracuse (http://cuse.com/galleries/?gallery=1052)

Aw man...we didn't ever get a chrome helmet. Dang

*Charlie Brown walks away*

[roseparkutes]

Sounds like the U turn down the "War Band" type of helmet. Too bad, anyone know when the new unis will be released? or any mock ups of the ute tribe appreciation uni?

[OrangeUte]

I actually dig those Syracuse uniforms.

[DanielLaRusso]

So today is a fun one for a few reasons. Anyone who peeked in on the Mascot thread saw a discussion about the Fighting Illini. To make a long story short, there's no such thing as an Illini indian, however, WWI solider from Illinois adopted the name for themselves. Illinois, though, opted to use native imagery as the foundation of its brand for decades. Got it? Good. Eventually, the Fighting Illini had to surrender the use of one of college athletics' best logos, Chief Illinuwek. Since then, their brand has been dwarfed by the bland, icon-less, shadow of "cultural sensitivity." Not too dissimilar from Utah. Well, yesterday Illinois rebranded (http://www.fightingillini.com/genrel/041614aab.html).
What's of note?
1) As I predicted, they opted for military imagery to replace any association with Native Americans....though this association is still left oddly ambiguous.
2) More frosted gloss helmets! (apparently the industry term is "anodized")
3) Nike is killing it with rebrands this off-season.

[jrj84105]

The Victory Badge logo is atrocious.

I remember when Chief Illiniwek came to my grade school for an assembly. Coolest assembly ever, but completely inappropriate as an "educational activity" about Native Americans.

PS: I'm sure that Illinois' subsequent probation resulting from gifts of cars to players by the dad of one of my classmates was totally unrelated.

[Crimsonute]

From Dahlelama 1099 (https://twitter.com/dahlelama)

[sancho]

From Dahlelama 1099 (https://twitter.com/dahlelama)

I like them all except black with red D'n'F.

[USS Utah]

I like them all except black with red D'n'F.

I prefer it over the black with white D'n'F.

[sancho]

I prefer it over the black with white D'n'F.

Ohh, I love the black and white. It has to be used in a blackout, with no red anywhere on the uniform. Storm trooper.

I don't like all 3 colors - black, red, and white - on the same uniform. Red/white, red/black, white/black.

[DanielLaRusso]

I would hate to distract from Utah playing Nebraska dress-up, but UW has released their new uni's (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aYh1aNMr9tE/U1FxNEWp-gI/AAAAAAAAEiI/v963UIAI-nc/s1600/UW+Combinations.PNG) featuring an, in my memory, all-new helmet composition (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c-OiqLRLlag/U1Fy5yQD3CI/AAAAAAAAEik/ikR818zfjpo/s1600/Frost+Texture+White+Helmet.PNG). So the official helmet hype history now goes matte --> chrome --> anodized --> frostbitten?

[jrj84105]

If we were going to go with a big letter like Nebraska I wish we had gone with this placement.
http://i1.wp.com/www.charlessollarsconcepts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/NEBRASKA-ROSE-BOWL-3.jpg

[U-Ute]

I would hate to distract from Utah playing Nebraska dress-up, but UW has released their new uni's (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aYh1aNMr9tE/U1FxNEWp-gI/AAAAAAAAEiI/v963UIAI-nc/s1600/UW+Combinations.PNG) featuring an, in my memory, all-new helmet composition (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c-OiqLRLlag/U1Fy5yQD3CI/AAAAAAAAEik/ikR818zfjpo/s1600/Frost+Texture+White+Helmet.PNG). So the official helmet hype history now goes matte --> chrome --> anodized --> frostbitten?

We should go with the "salt encrusted slush" look.

[MountVanCott]

This thread has been dormant for far too long. Surely someone has heard some murmuring up on the hill? What can we expect to see in the next little while? Isn't the new reveal supposed to be before the football season?

[DanielLaRusso]

This thread has been dormant for far too long. Surely someone has heard some murmuring up on the hill? What can we expect to see in the next little while? Isn't the new reveal supposed to be before the football season?

The thread is dormant mostly because I don't have the time to post all of the reveals that happen in the offseason. But here's something for you to snack on: Oklahoma now has an alternate helmet that looks like stained wood. (http://www.soonersports.com/fls/31000/microsites/14fb_w/images/facemask-1200x800.jpg)

In terms of Utah, where most teams are happy to hype up fans with unis, our team leaders and equipment folks seem content to do a Twitter blast and call it good. I will typically drop some clues as to what is coming, but my sources have been waffling back and forth on some details about these unis, which makes me suspect there have been changes and we wont see them until fall camp is almost over.

[Damage U]

but my sources have been waffling back and forth on some details about these unis, which makes me suspect there have been changes and we wont see them until fall camp is almost over.

Does that mean that they had "A Utah Man Am I" sewn into the Jerseys and now have to change it to "A Utah fan...?

[Diehard Ute]

Per tweets from Matthew Piper. New Ute uniforms for both football and basketball this year.

Uniforms are hoped to be here before the 6th of August.

There will be less stripes, no topography. U told him the uniforms are a "new direction"

[DrumNFeather]

http://www.landgrantholyland.com/uniform-nation/2014/7/16/5904211/under-armour-leaks-new-football-uniforms-for-utah-and-navy

[sancho]

http://www.landgrantholyland.com/uniform-nation/2014/7/16/5904211/under-armour-leaks-new-football-uniforms-for-utah-and-navy

I don't like it.

[Applejack]

I don't like it.

Good. They're fake.

[concerned]

Good. They're fake.


yeah, well Liz Abel has now said that they are "fairly accurate" representations of the actual unis. ugh.

[jrj84105]

yeah, well Liz Abel has now said that they are "fairly accurate" representations of the actual unis. ugh.
How do they get something so wrong? Why can't our university manage the brand with even the slightest competence?

[sancho]

How do they get something so wrong? Why can't our university manage the brand with even the slightest competence?

They've been getting everything related to the brand wrong. Swoop. Utah Man. Uniforms.

Maybe the most consistent failure is the lack of fan input on anything.

Just give me red and white combos. One all-black from head to toe, one all-red from head to toe, and one all-white from head to toe. Is that so hard? Why do we need the mountains incorporated somehow? LaRusso, how bout a list of mountain themed unis from various sports across the years - Jazz, Avalanche, Rockies - do any of them look good?

[Scorcho]

this may make me a pariah, but I like the new jersey's.

[USS Utah]

yeah, well Liz Abel has now said that they are "fairly accurate" representations of the actual unis. ugh.

Isaac Asiata disagrees.

http://i.imgur.com/qww3TkJ.png

[Applejack]

this may make me a pariah, but I like the new jersey's.
Same here. These aren't the best designed uniforms I've ever seen (1986 Nuggets), but they aren't the Finals-era Jazz either.
:onalimb:

[Diehard Ute]

I don't mind them.

As for Liz Abel saying they're fairly accurate. SHE has not seen them. She based that statement on one from the equipment manager.

Now a week ago some asked the equipment folks on twitter what they looked like and were told they hadn't seen them yet.

Piper from the Trib is claiming the equipment manager is involved in their design, but it doubt that to be true. Heck the players pic which ones to wear each game....but the guys who wash them designed them? Something is fishy

[sancho]

this may make me a pariah, but I like the new jersey's.


Same here.


I don't mind them.

How many times have you seen an article on the winners/losers of realignment? I haven't seen any on the winners/losers of the uniform era. So here it is:

WINNER: Oregon. Became a power program almost entirely on the strength of cool Nike uniforms. The unis drew the attention of 4 and 5 star recruits from across the country. Oregon ushered in the uniform era. Oregon remains the only team to actually see dramatic recruiting benefits stemming from uniform changes.

LOSER: Maryland. Under Armor, never really understanding what made Oregon's unis cool, tries to out-flash them with Maryland flag themed uniform. Problem - the Florida recruits that Maryland was dreaming of don't have Maryland flag pride.

WINNER: Alabama, USC, Texas, Michigan, and Penn State. The programs with iconic uniforms who did not succumb to crazy uniform pressure.

LOSER: Notre Dame, Nebraska, UCLA, Ohio State, UW. The programs with iconic uniforms who incorrectly thought they could be the next Oregon.

LOSER: BYU. Somehow was ahead of the loser game by 20 years. Changed their iconic uniforms and even their color in a failed attempt to accomplish something.

WINNER. Tulane, SMU, USU, Stanford, Ole Miss. Less iconic uniform schools who realized that the Oregon phenomenon could not be replicated and stuck with what they have.

?????. TCU. Put blood squirting out of a frog's eyes on a helmet.

LOSER. Utah, Arizona State, Boise State, Indiana, UConn. Lost their vision years ago chasing the Oregon dream. Now they don't know who they are or what they look like.

[BeehiveUte]

Oregon has had some duds...Diamond plate shoulder patterns TF?

But yes the teams with loads of brand and tradition will win. Even over Oregon.

[DanielLaRusso]

It feels like a good time to remind everyone that I've been harping on Utah's weak brand for a couple decades now. I've regularly been told it's something I shouldn't care about and that there is something wrong with me for having this interest in the first place. However, I always knew it would take something really shocking to wake people up to the state of the Ute brand.
Anyhoo, on the actual pics. They look distinctly like prototypes. The exceptional detail on some parts that look digitally glued on lead me to believe that these aren't final. Easily the worst part about these (and any uniform that attempts this) is the foreshortened mountain (I'm looking at you Colorado Avalanche!). If you're going to do a mountain profile, do it from the side, not some neck-craning angle of perspective. My preference, if this is the direction the team is leaning, would be to use simple stripes on the sleeves and pants that simply follow a jagged-mountainesque path.
That said, I'm not going to be surprised if these turn out to be an early rough design that was leaked mistakenly by an overzealous retailer. UA's tackiness knows no bounds, but I have to imagine someone, somewhere drew the line at these.

To Sancho's question about mountain uni's. The Jazz 90's uni is now almost universally considered a classic by the uni-appreciating community. The Avalanche is typically considered the ultimate wasted brand. The Rockies have simply never looked good.

[Diehard Ute]

It feels like a good time to remind everyone that I've been harping on Utah's weak brand for a couple decades now. I've regularly been told it's something I shouldn't care about and that there is something wrong with me for having this interest in the first place. However, I always knew it would take something really shocking to wake people up to the state of the Ute brand.
Anyhoo, on the actual pics. They look distinctly like prototypes. The exceptional detail on some parts that look digitally glued on lead me to believe that these aren't final. Easily the worst part about these (and any uniform that attempts this) is the foreshortened mountain (I'm looking at you Colorado Avalanche!). If you're going to do a mountain profile, do it from the side, not some neck-craning angle of perspective. My preference, if this is the direction the team is leaning, would be to use simple stripes on the sleeves and pants that simply follow a jagged-mountainesque path.
That said, I'm not going to be surprised if these turn out to be an early rough design that was leaked mistakenly by an overzealous retailer. UA's tackiness knows no bounds, but I have to imagine someone, somewhere drew the line at these.

To Sancho's question about mountain uni's. The Jazz 90's uni is now almost universally considered a classic by the uni-appreciating community. The Avalanche is typically considered the ultimate wasted brand. The Rockies have simply never looked good.

There's a few other things.

If you look closely they have the usual UA Heat Gear type label at the color, and it's a very thin material.

But even more odd, UA doesn't have the uniforms in their own catalog but they're going to give Amazon pics to put online? (Not to mention an associate AD over media relations hasn't seen them but Amazon has them?)

Something doesn't add up.

[Applejack]

To Sancho's question about mountain uni's. The Jazz 90's uni is now almost universally considered a classic by the uni-appreciating community. The Avalanche is typically considered the ultimate wasted brand. The Rockies have simply never looked good.

You've got to be joking. Are we talking about the same uniforms? These were the w-o-r-s-t

http://uniformcritics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/uta-jazz-95-03-away-675x3801.jpg

[sancho]

It feels like a good time to remind everyone that I've been harping on Utah's weak brand for a couple decades now. I've regularly been told it's something I shouldn't care about and that there is something wrong with me for having this interest in the first place. However, I always knew it would take something really shocking to wake people up to the state of the Ute brand.

I believe!



Easily the worst part about these (and any uniform that attempts this) is the foreshortened mountain (I'm looking at you Colorado Avalanche!). If you're going to do a mountain profile, do it from the side, not some neck-craning angle of perspective.

Mountains look great in person. Someone use your google and find me a great looking mountain logo on a uniform!

[sancho]

Mountains look great in person. Someone use your google and find me a great looking mountain logo on a uniform!

This is the only good one I can find.

1183

[Applejack]

This is the only good one I can find.

1183

Preach! When I become Commissioner of Sports, I will force all NBA teams to revert to their uniforms from the 1986-87 season.

[DanielLaRusso]

[QUOTE=Applejack;37688]
You've got to be joking. Are we talking about the same uniforms? These were the w-o-r-s-t
[QUOTE]

No joke. I'm sure no one would want to bring them back, but they are considered to be one of the best of the 90's rebrands (the Pacers and Suns being the other biggies) as they are a total summation/representation of the era (big logo, teal, etc..) but seemingly well-thought-out and well designed (unlike Milwaukee and Houston, namely). That said, had the Jazz not been good in them, they probably wouldn't have as much of an iconic association to them.

[sancho]

[QUOTE=Applejack;37688]
You've got to be joking. Are we talking about the same uniforms? These were the w-o-r-s-t
[QUOTE]

No joke. I'm sure no one would want to bring them back, but they are considered to be one of the best of the 90's rebrands (the Pacers and Suns being the other biggies) as they are a total summation/representation of the era (big logo, teal, etc..) but seemingly well-thought-out and well designed (unlike Milwaukee and Houston, namely). That said, had the Jazz not been good in them, they probably wouldn't have as much of an iconic association to them.

I will break this tie. They're awful.

[Applejack]

[QUOTE=Applejack;37688]
You've got to be joking. Are we talking about the same uniforms? These were the w-o-r-s-t
[QUOTE]

No joke. I'm sure no one would want to bring them back, but they are considered to be one of the best of the 90's rebrands (the Pacers and Suns being the other biggies) as they are a total summation/representation of the era (big logo, teal, etc..) but seemingly well-thought-out and well designed (unlike Milwaukee and Houston, namely). That said, had the Jazz not been good in them, they probably wouldn't have as much of an iconic association to them.

OK, if we're comparing 90s rebrands, then yes, the Jazz' uniform change is not the worst. Compared to the Cartoon Rockets and the Creepy Bucks, garish mountains look great. So uniform historians will look on the Jazz unis as the greatest moment of a terrible era, sort of like when we got a 5 seed under Jim Boylen.

I guess I'm just a purist. If you've got a perfect look, why change?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s3E1_Lqwaic/Tg4egJLPvoI/AAAAAAAADhU/sZmbanOi-VI/s1600/jose%2Bortez.jpg

[DanielLaRusso]

[QUOTE=DanielLaRusso;37692][QUOTE=Applejack;37688]
You've got to be joking. Are we talking about the same uniforms? These were the w-o-r-s-t


OK, if we're comparing 90s rebrands, then yes, the Jazz' uniform change is not the worst. Compared to the Cartoon Rockets and the Creepy Bucks, garish mountains look great. So uniform historians will look on the Jazz unis as the greatest moment of a terrible era, sort of like when we got a 5 seed under Jim Boylen.

I guess I'm just a purist. If you've got a perfect look, why change?



Make no mistake though. If you asked most uni-people to rank the Jazz's uni's, it would go
1. the New Orleans holdover look
2. the Mountains
3. the Current look
4. the 2004 rebrand

with the first two considered iconic classics.

[Diehard Ute]

The official twitter for Utah Football is tweeting those are not the uniforms they will be wearing.

[USS Utah]

"These are not the droids you're looking for."

[jrj84105]

It feels like a good time to remind everyone that I've been harping on Utah's weak brand for a couple decades now. I've regularly been told it's something I shouldn't care about and that there is something wrong with me for having this interest in the first place. However, I always knew it would take something really shocking to wake people up to the state of the Ute brand.
I have to express my deep dismay as well. Some of you might remember that I tried to do a GVK memorial T-shirt project which used the third verse of Utah Man on the back. I wound up with a lifetime supply of #95 T-shirts with no Utah Man on the back after marketing (not compliance or the AD) pulled the permission to use the lyrics at the last minute. Only to see the University alter the very thing that they restricted.

We have no control over our brand or traditions, and the University of Utah appears to be unable to change that. I think we need an independent organization for promoting the history, traditions, and brand of our University. I'd propose calling it the John Rocky Park society, and would love for a Dahlelama designed JRP shirt with the full real lyrics of Utah Man on the back to be free with an $18.50 membership fee. One thing I'd like to fund with these membership fees is to have a historic marker placed at the site of our original downtown locations.

[Applejack]

[QUOTE=Applejack;37695][QUOTE=DanielLaRusso;37692]

Make no mistake though. If you asked most uni-people to rank the Jazz's uni's, it would go
1. the New Orleans holdover look
2. the Mountains
3. the Current look
4. the 2004 rebrand

with the first two considered iconic classics.

This is interesting. Isn't the current look (#3) basically the same as the New Orleans Holdover (#1)? I recognize that there are some differences in the piping and the accents, but the basic color scheme/font/layout is nearly identical, no?

I agree that the 2004 rebrand (blue? wtf?) was a disaster. But the mountains are fugly, especially when you remember that black alternate with the flesh colored side panels:

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-2kS-XpmsmRMUZvB-95OWTa0xQQBv_OiC0soBv4DKMl4v7oCu

[concerned]

[QUOTE=DanielLaRusso;37696][QUOTE=Applejack;37695]

This is interesting. Isn't the current look (#3) basically the same as the New Orleans Holdover (#1)? I recognize that there are some differences in the piping and the accents, but the basic color scheme/font/layout is nearly identical, no?

I agree that the 2004 rebrand (blue? wtf?) was a disaster. But the mountains are fugly, especially when you remember that black alternate with the flesh colored side panels:

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-2kS-XpmsmRMUZvB-95OWTa0xQQBv_OiC0soBv4DKMl4v7oCu


They are not flesh colored side panels, they are Utah Copper colored. They are a source of local pride. Get with the program. BTW, my son has in his closet a blue mountains Carlos Arroyo jersey. Someday it will be worth a lot of money.

[Applejack]

[QUOTE=Applejack;37716][QUOTE=DanielLaRusso;37696]


They are not flesh colored side panels, they are Utah Copper colored. They are a source of local pride. Get with the program. BTW, my son has in his closet a blue mountains Carlos Arroyo jersey. Someday it will be worth a lot of money.

I still regularly play ball with my black & flesh/copper shorts which I bought in Philadelphia for $3 (cashier: "Utah Jazz? I've never sold one of these before.") and my purple mountain B Russ jersey.

Perhaps my rapidly deteriorating skills while wearing the mountain uniform contributes to my distaste.

[DanielLaRusso]

[QUOTE=DanielLaRusso;37696][QUOTE=Applejack;37695]

This is interesting. Isn't the current look (#3) basically the same as the New Orleans Holdover (#1)? I recognize that there are some differences in the piping and the accents, but the basic color scheme/font/layout is nearly identical, no?

I agree that the 2004 rebrand (blue? wtf?) was a disaster. But the mountains are fugly, especially when you remember that black alternate with the flesh colored side panels:

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-2kS-XpmsmRMUZvB-95OWTa0xQQBv_OiC0soBv4DKMl4v7oCu

A couple of things have people holding back on thinking the current is a classic.
a) time: the uni has only been around for a few (mostly bad) years
b) awkward color scheme: replacing purple with blue and the other colors with darker versions of themselves has created a one-of-a-kind color scheme that some how manages to feel lifeless and bland.
c) throwback: it's a throwback, not an original. The New Orleans look and the Mountain look, whatever your feelings, were unique and instantly recognizable because of that. It's rare that a copy will get as much love as the original.

[roseparkutes]

the mountains are my favorite jazz jerseys. the copper was kinda ugly. I really dislike the new green ones

[SigmaUte]

I'm sure by now many of you have seen this but I figured I might as well make sure it makes it to this thread.

1184 Image created by Dahlelama on twitter @dahlelama

I have to admit. I absolutely did not like the leaked uniform replica, but if this is anything close to what the actual uniforms will look like I don't think its all that bad and definitely not as bad as what we have worn in the past. Still yet to be seen what they will look like. Notedly that nothing was added to the pants. I hope they keep the pants simple at least. I still think the uniforms could be better.

[DanielLaRusso]

Dahl's work only proves what I alluded to in my initial review. The concept isn't bad, but the execution is horrific/child-like.

[OrangeUte]

Dahlelama does awesome stuff. On this schematic the mountain them looks great and i really like it.

[sancho]

Image created by Dahlelama on twitter

I like that the black/white patches are gone. The only non-red is that mountain thing on the sleeve. This is a big improvement over the leaked uni.

Again, I demand all-red (white numbers), all-white (red numbers), all-black (white numbers), or red-white combos with no black.

[U-Ute]

White block U helmets..

I think they look good!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/23/gy3ehy3e.jpg

[sancho]

White block U helmets..

I think they look good!


I like it too, but it depends on what you mix it with. For an all-white, I think I prefer a red block U with red numbers and names.

[U-Ute]

I like it too, but it depends on what you mix it with. For an all-white, I think I prefer a red block U with red numbers and names.

I wondered about that as well. It really doesn't work with red or black uniforms. That kind of hints at an all white setup.

[sancho]

I wondered about that as well. It really doesn't work with red or black uniforms. That kind of hints at an all white setup.

I seem to be locked out of the other conversation, so I'll keep talking style. I'm so good at style.

If that were a helmet for an all-white, are the numbers and names also in silver? Why not go stormtrooper - make the block U, the names, and the numbers black? Plus, everyone has to wear a black visor.

[Diehard Ute]

I wondered about that as well. It really doesn't work with red or black uniforms. That kind of hints at an all white setup.

Whatever is on the helmet is a decal. It can be changed fairly easily (which is what they do on the black helmets)

[DanielLaRusso]

That's just the media days helmet, folks. All the other schools have a similar one.

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[roseparkutes]

those are badass!

[DanielLaRusso]

Here's a fun one (as opposed to Adidas' latest crime). Air Force has introduced their new alt uni. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt5C1EsCYAAI3uS.jpg:large)

[sancho]

Here's a fun one (as opposed to Adidas' latest crime). Air Force has introduced their new alt uni. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt5C1EsCYAAI3uS.jpg:large)

Those look good. Who does the academy play this year? Maybe I should go down there for one.

[OrangeUte]

I'm such a sucker for Air Force. I've always loved their helmets. These are pretty sweet.

Dahlelama does such good work. Every year I download his wallpaper the look of that uni he put together is really sweet. I don't mind the mountains on the sleeves on that uni at all, in fact I think they look very cool because it is simple. No bibs or funkiness. I like it.

[DanielLaRusso]

Ya see, Under Armour? When you guys go for understated, thoughtful design (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuIxkYrIIAAi3S9.jpg:large), you aren't half-bad...

[wally]

So were the mountain sleeve jerseys for real or not?

[chrisrenrut]

Ya see, Under Armour? When you guys go for understated, thoughtful design (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuIxkYrIIAAi3S9.jpg:large), you aren't half-bad...

At first glance, I thought those were Adidas stripes on the sleeves.

[Crimsonute]

Ya see, Under Armour? When you guys go for understated, thoughtful design (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuIxkYrIIAAi3S9.jpg:large), you aren't half-bad...What? No cartoon boats on the Navy Jersey sleeves?

[DanielLaRusso]

You all know how much I love posting ugly shite (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu4waX3CcAIRZkP.jpg)

[sancho]

You all know how much I love posting ugly shite (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu4waX3CcAIRZkP.jpg)

Oh, man. That's bad.

I saw the new Boise St orange helmet this morning. Looks great. Nike has done a nice job with Boise the past few years.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

You all know how much I love posting ugly shite (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu4waX3CcAIRZkP.jpg)

Even Heaps knew it was time to get out.

[Diehard Ute]

Per a release today the game previously scheduled to have jerseys for the Ute tribe will feature the tribe logo on the helmet....no mention of the jersey

[sancho]

Per a release today the game previously scheduled to have jerseys for the Ute tribe will feature the tribe logo on the helmet....no mention of the jersey

I think I'm hoping that the logo replaces the drum and feather altogether for that game. I'm thinking that would look better than some little helmet sticker in the back.

I think this is the logo:

http://www.utahutes.com/genrel/082114aae.html

[Diehard Ute]

I think I'm hoping that the logo replaces the drum and feather altogether for that game. I'm thinking that would look better than some little helmet sticker in the back.

I think this is the logo:

http://www.utahutes.com/genrel/082114aae.html

It is replacing the drum and feather.

[Diehard Ute]

Here's the release

http://www.utahutes.com/genrel/082114aae.html

The game will also have a Ute Tribe representative present the game ball, the Ute Honor Guard present the colors and halftime show will be arranged by the Ute Tribe Pow Wow committee.

[sancho]

It is replacing the drum and feather.

Piper just tweeted that it will only be a sticker somewhere and will not replace the d'n'f

Scratch that - this what he said:



Told there won't be a new helmet design for the Nov. 22 game. The tribal seal will be a sticker. Don't know size/location just yet.

[Diehard Ute]

Piper just tweeted that it will only be a sticker somewhere and will not replace the d'n'f

Scratch that - this what he said:

Yeah, I don't think he realizes the drum and feather itself is a sticker and can be removed easily (thus why new players "earn" theirs and it magically appears overnight)

I think by design they were saying no new paint scheme.

I fully expect the seal to replace the D&F for that game.

[sancho]

USA today made a new uniform power ranking, and they left us out altogether:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/08/college-football-uniform-power-ranking

Looks like most of the new "good" unis are from Nike.

[jrj84105]

USA today made a new uniform power ranking, and they left us out altogether:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/08/college-football-uniform-power-ranking

Looks like most of the new "good" unis are from Nike.

At least our crappy marketing department preventing anyone from knowing that we have atrocious new uniforms.

[DanielLaRusso]

They gave Notre Dame a "bad" because the new uniforms looks like their old ones? You're god fucking hell ass damn right they look the same! That's how it should be.

[sancho]

Ugh, these Arizona road unis have got to be the worst look in the conference.

[Applejack]

Ugh, these Arizona road unis have got to be the worst look in the conference.

Losing ugly has new meaning.

[Diehard Ute]

And we have new helmets

http://youtu.be/mFUH2KElseU

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/09/egaha5u7.jpg

Watch the video...it's the reveal to the team

[Diehard Ute]

Forgot to mention. There's a red stripe down the middle

[SigmaUte]

I really like the white helmets. The stripe down the middle looks good, gives it some flare without being over the top.

Now if we could just replace those mountains with some stripes.

[LA Ute]

And we have new helmets

http://youtu.be/mFUH2KElseU

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/09/egaha5u7.jpg

Watch the video...it's the reveal to the team

I heard they are for the Michigan game. Can anyone confirm?

[Diehard Ute]

I heard they are for the Michigan game. Can anyone confirm?

They're added to the choices.

The players leadership council actually picks the uniform combo for each game, but there's a rumor we're going all white for Michigan.

[SigmaUte]

I heard they are for the Michigan game. Can anyone confirm?

My guess is the team is going to want to play with their new toy. Expect a new look for Utah against Michigan, all white.

[Dawminator]

They will use these sexy numbers for a national TV game on ABC cuz recruits love this sort of thing.

[roseparkutes]

I love these, I also like the mini white helmet's with the double block U. I agree that these will be debuted at Michigan, its nice to have ABC national TV game

[Applejack]

I also like the white helmets. But I'm not a fan of the all-white unis (Sugar Bowl excluded).

[Diehard Ute]

Basketball unis are unveiled

https://twitter.com/runnin_utes/status/509785945172750336

[LA Ute]

Basketball unis are unveiled

https://twitter.com/runnin_utes/status/509785945172750336

Meh. I could live without the extra-long shorts, but whatever keeps the guys happy. BTW, it looks like Delon still needs to eat a few sandwiches.

[DanielLaRusso]

Hey, keep the basketball discussion in the basketball uni thread! :p

[Diehard Ute]

Hey, keep the basketball discussion in the basketball uni thread! :p

Nope. We're going to post it everywhere

[U-Ute]

Meh. I could live without the extra-long shorts, but whatever keeps the guys happy. BTW, it looks like Delon still needs to eat a few sandwiches.

He looks skinnier in person.

:eek:

[chrisrenrut]

Just for LAUte:


http://youtu.be/p_GYohRQR8U

[sancho]

Just for LAUte:



Continuing my call for only bicolor unis, I would prefer the U to be silver too. Then black unis with white numbers and trim. Black and white only - and only once a year.

[SigmaUte]

Just for LAUte:


http://youtu.be/p_GYohRQR8U

I didn't think they would be able to top the white helmets, but....wow. Love them.

[justaute]

Bicolor? Is that allowed in Utah? LOL


Continuing my call for only bicolor unis, I would prefer the U to be silver too. Then black unis with white numbers and trim. Black and white only - and only once a year.

[OrangeUte]

I absolutely love that helmet.

[chrisrenrut]

I'm a big fan of the helmet, love the chrome accent. Fresno's helmets last night against BSU were all chrome, and we're almost more hideous than the blue turf.

Time me for Diehard to update his avatar.

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[DrumNFeather]

I absolutely love that helmet.
Same here, that's awesome.

[Diehard Ute]

Done

And here's a better view

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/19/gupysusy.jpg

[OrangeUte]

Who has booker's uniform on?

[Diehard Ute]

Who has booker's uniform on?

Trib said they think it's assistant director of player personnel Pablo Cano

[OrangeUte]

Okay. I did not think that was a player.

[U-Ute]

I'm a big fan of the helmet, love the chrome accent. Fresno's helmets last night against BSU were all chrome, and we're almost more hideous than the blue turf.

I saw a tweet the other night that joked someone with a good pair of binoculars could read the Fresno play sheet off of the reflection in those helmets.

:rofl:

[NinerUte]

I love the new helmet, I don't like most of those all chrome helmets, but the chrome decal on the flat black is really nice.

[utefan]

Done

And here's a better view

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/19/gupysusy.jpg
That is possibly the nicest looking helmet I've ever seen! Please tell me I can buy a hat like this somewhere! If they're selling hats like this, I bet you'll see kids around the country wearing them pretty soon.

Fitted, with a flat bill. Just put that metallic logo on the front of an otherwise black hat. And send me one asap. Pretty please with sugar on top?

[Diehard Ute]

That is possibly the nicest looking helmet I've ever seen! Please tell me I can buy a hat like this somewhere! If they're selling hats like this, I bet you'll see kids around the country wearing them pretty soon.

Fitted, with a flat bill. Just put that metallic logo on the front of an otherwise black hat. And send me one asap. Pretty please with sugar on top?

You lost any credibility with flat bill.

[U-Ute]

You lost any credibility with flat bill.

Yeah. That's a look I cannot get into. You look like you're on the verge of flipping that thing upwards.

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[utefan]

You lost any credibility with flat bill.



Yeah. That's a look I cannot get into. You look like you're on the verge of flipping that thing upwards.


You guys must be pretty old, or at least not up to date on the latest styles. Trust me, flat bill is what will get kids in L.A. and other cities all over the country wearing Ute gear.

I'm not even a kid and I'd wear it.

You have to get it a little too big, so it can't be flipped up.

[Diehard Ute]

You guys must be pretty old, or at least not up to date on the latest styles. Trust me, flat bill is what will get kids in L.A. and other cities all over the country wearing Ute gear.

I'm not even a kid and I'd wear it.

You have to get it a little too big, so it can't be flipped up.

Nope. We just aren't blind.

[U-Ute]

you guys must be pretty old, or at least not up to date on the latest styles. Trust me, flat bill is what will get kids in l.a. And other cities all over the country wearing ute gear.

I'm not even a kid and i'd wear it.

You have to get it a little too big, so it can't be flipped up.


nope. We just aren't blind.

now get off my lawn!

[utefan]

Nope. We just aren't blind.
Neither are the folks at BYU. But their intolerance for diversity has a striking resemblance to your intolerance, or at least ignorance, of today's popular styles.

[Diehard Ute]

Neither are the folks at BYU. But their intolerance for diversity has a striking resemblance to you intolerance, or at least ignorance, of today's popular styles.

Oh i know what is popular. Doesn't mean I have to like it or think its a good look. Ignorance and dislike are two entirely different things

[utefan]

Oh i know what is popular. Doesn't mean I have to like it or think its a good look. Ignorance and dislike are two entirely different things
Fair enough. So as long as we can agree that it's a popular look, I guess my credibility is restored even though I want one in the popular look?

[wally]

Oh i know what is popular. Doesn't mean I have to like it or think its a good look. Ignorance and dislike are two entirely different things

What about a flat bill and ears tucked into the hat? Can I get a ruling on this? I am inclined to think that this is grounds for an automatic D-bag citation, but I am loath to trust my own judgment here.

[LA Ute]

Wally is on target. No hat in Los Angeles is worth wearing unless it is so big that you can tuck your ears into it. Come on, we are in the PAC-12 now.

[U-Ute]

Wally is on target. No hat in Los Angeles is worth wearing unless it is so big that you can tuck your ears into it. Come on, we are in the PAC-12 now.

This is Utah. We pride ourselves on being, well, different. Some people brag about it.

[utefan]

This is Utah. We pride ourselves on being, well, different. Some people brag about it.
Not me. Give me the flat bill and you can all call me a d bag when you see me with my ears tucked into it.

[wally]

Not me. Give me the flat bill and you can all call me a d bag when you see me with my ears tucked into it.

But not until we get the official ruling from Diehard.

[U-Ute]

Not sure I like these but its hard to see...

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[utefan]

Not sure I like these but its hard to see...

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Awesome!

[Applejack]

Awesome!

I'm with utefan on all of this style stuff. Utah has many historically proud moments, but I don't think we have an iconic look. So, we should embrace that lack of history and go full Oregon Ducks and trot out crazy looks all of the time. The kids (read: recruits) love it, and really, that's all that matters.

[U-Ute]

I'm with utefan on all of this style stuff. Utah has many historically proud moments, but I don't think we have an iconic look. So, we should embrace that lack of history and go full Oregon Ducks and trot out crazy looks all of the time. The kids (read: recruits) love it, and really, that's all that matters.

That is a good point. We can use our lack of an iconic look as a strength by being flexible.

[DanielLaRusso]

Texas AM wins the best helmet of the year award. To celebrate their 1939 Championship team, AM will wear a faux leather helmet (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Hp-9XIUAAdlWv.jpg), complete with faux rust (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ICZubCQAI1-2X.jpg) and water damage (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/cajunaggie08/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141029_091043_zpsdqanfhlt.jpg.html)

[U-Ute]

Texas AM wins the best helmet of the year award. To celebrate their 1939 Championship team, AM will wear a faux leather helmet (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Hp-9XIUAAdlWv.jpg), complete with faux rust (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ICZubCQAI1-2X.jpg) and water damage (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/cajunaggie08/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141029_091043_zpsdqanfhlt.jpg.html)

Ok. Those are awesome.

[utefan]

Texas AM wins the best helmet of the year award. To celebrate their 1939 Championship team, AM will wear a faux leather helmet (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Hp-9XIUAAdlWv.jpg), complete with faux rust (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ICZubCQAI1-2X.jpg) and water damage (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/cajunaggie08/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141029_091043_zpsdqanfhlt.jpg.html)
Wow those are awesome!

[Diehard Ute]

Today's helmet 1313

[LA Ute]

Today's helmet 1313

I like.

[justaute]

Hey LA Ute...fwiw...Falk at WSU has already passed 100+ yards in the first quarter against ASU. Adding more fuel to your QB envy. :)

[DrumNFeather]

Hey LA Ute...fwiw...Falk at WSU has already passed 100+ yards in the first quarter against ASU. Adding more fuel to your QB envy. :)
I'll take fewer yards and more wins. :)

[justaute]

In our current scenario, absolutely. Though, that's not really the equation here. :)


I'll take fewer yards and more wins. :)

[DrumNFeather]

In our current scenario, absolutely. Though, that's not really the equation here. :)
True. TW has thrown at least two GW TD passes, if not more! :)

[justaute]

Of course, at this point, I'm not sure how to attribute and apportion our offensive incompetence.


True. TW has thrown at least two GW TD passes, if not more! :)

[DrumNFeather]

Of course, at this point, I'm not sure how to attribute and apportion our offensive incompetence.
I think we can agree that each win counts, no matter how incompetently it is achieved.

Here's hoping WSU keeps it up.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

So awesome. I had given up hope yesterday as there hadn't been any sort of reveal like that other helmets this season. I still think it would have been great to have the seal presented by a member of the tribe with a quick presentation of what it means to them to be a Ute.

[justaute]

Absolutely. A W is W, ugly or not. GO UTES!


I think we can agree that each win counts, no matter how incompetently it is achieved.

Here's hoping WSU keeps it up.

[LA Ute]

Hey LA Ute...fwiw...Falk at WSU has already passed 100+ yards in the first quarter against ASU. Adding more fuel to your QB envy. :)

Thanks, sort of. Maybe I just have "productive offense envy." I was watching some clips from the 2004 UTAH-BYU game and was struck by how potent that Utah offense was. Sigh....

[Diehard Ute]

Not sure what any of this has to do with uniforms ;)

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Not sure what any of this has to do with uniforms ;)

^Time to update the photo!^

[justaute]

None....just where I saw LAU made his most recent post at the time. Actually, I just wanted our offense to put on their most potent offense uniform. :)


Not sure what any of this has to do with uniforms ;)

[OrangeUte]

Too bad they didn't do the tribal drum and feather as well. Very cool helmet.