Red Rocks

[The Thrill]

I want to be the first to wish the Gymnastics team good luck in their top 10 showdown versus Stanford tomorrow. It's also a blackout meet, I believe the first time that's ever been done in gymnastics.

For those not in the know, Utah is currently ranked #7 in the nation. Tory Wilson is the #1 ranked vaulter in the nation. Becky Tutka is ranked 6th in the nation for floor. Utah has 25 crowds over 14k at home and going for #26 tomorrow night.

Here's a "getting to know" about Georgia Dabrits


http://youtu.be/bbR1pEKbb-Q

IMO - the Red Rocks need their own sub-forum

[Jarid in Cedar]

Point noted. We will be reevaluating some of the format after some experience with where fools sirens their time.

[redpatty]

Looking forward to the meet tonight. It's going to be a tight one. Who else will be there?

[redpatty]

Whoa!! Just noticed the picture at the top of the thread. That is a fantastic shot!

[LA Ute]

Point noted. We will be reevaluating some of the format after some experience with where fools sirens their time.

What an auto-complete masterpiece!

[LadyUte]

Looking forward to the meet tonight. It's going to be a tight one. Who else will be there?
I will be there!! Blackout meet.

[redpatty]

This team gets a little more exciting all the time. They're a young team which leads to inconsistency, but I love the big score capability we have. They really need to step it up on bars and beam tonight.

[LadyUte]

This team gets a little more exciting all the time. They're a young team which leads to inconsistency, but I love the big score capability we have. They really need to step it up on bars and beam tonight.
And losing Corrie Lothrop was a huge blow. Excited to see how they perform tonight. And the snow has stopped. So, hopefully, plenty of people come to support them.

[redpatty]

So sad for Corrie.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Red Rocks beat Stanford 197.300 to 197.075. Lia Del Priore hit a 10.0 on the floor.

[OrangeUte]

Red Rocks beat Stanford 197.300 to 197.075. Lia Del Priore hit a 10.0 on the floor.

Terrific! Did many people brave the snow to go watch or did people stay home and watch on tv.

These razor thin wins in women's gymnastics always surprise me. Sometimes they look so narrow but really aren't close at all. This one looks like it was fairly tight. Getting a 10 in this sport, to me, is like a triple double against a great defense - incredibly impressive.

[redpatty]

My crew braved the storm with our normal routine of dinner at Hires then up to the meet.

I love Lia's FX and she performed it beautifully tonight. The fact that she could score a 10 is amazing, but the fact that she did it out of the #2 position in the lineup is even more amazing. Lots of fun moments tonight, along with some nerves at the end. Standford was awesome on the BB.

If these gymnasts can settle down on BB and clean it up on UPB's they can compete with the top teams in the country.

[San Diego Ute Fan]

Lia is H-man's fiancee. :clap:
Has he been over here yet?

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[The Thrill]

Lia is H-man's fiancee. :clap:
Has he been over here yet?

I don't believe so. He's quite close to Webmonkey, I wonder if he feels he might be betraying UF.N if he spends time over here.

[LadyUte]

I had a group that attended the meet. It was absolutely amazing. After Lia's FX I think everybody knew it was a 10. The place just exploded. Can't describe the feeling. Redpatty is right, if they can clean up bars and beam (the main issue with last nights meet being so close) they can contend for the title. Stanford rocked the beam!

[Diehard Ute]

The scoring last night was questionable at times.

Some very odd lack of deductions on some routines, and some very odd phantom deductions on others.

I like this team, but with Florida and OU hitting 198 it's going to take a pretty big jump I consistency to be contenders.

Vault landings really need to be cleaned up. At nationals Nansy isn't going to get a 9.9 without a stick.

Bars has a lot of small form and execution errors to be addressed, especially on the road.

Beam needs aggressiveness

Utah has to post a couple really good road scores to up the RQS, otherwise that road through regionals could be the toughest yet.

Maas Greg said post meet, the '"leg" events are t a real issue just minor cleanup. The finesse events need a lot of polish

[Rocker Ute]

The scoring last night was questionable at times.

Some very odd lack of deductions on some routines, and some very odd phantom deductions on others.

I like this team, but with Florida and OU hitting 198 it's going to take a pretty big jump I consistency to be contenders.

Vault landings really need to be cleaned up. At nationals Nansy isn't going to get a 9.9 without a stick.

Bars has a lot of small form and execution errors to be addressed, especially on the road.

Beam needs aggressiveness

Utah has to post a couple really good road scores to up the RQS, otherwise that road through regionals could be the toughest yet.

Maas Greg said post meet, the '"leg" events are t a real issue just minor cleanup. The finesse events need a lot of polish

There is a lengthy article in CNN about the abuses of John Geddert, the famed gymnastics coach and associate of Larry Nassar. Some of his former gymnasts assert he ‘needs to be locked up with Larry, maybe more so.’

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/03/investigates/john-geddert-abuse/

When you read the stories here and reflect on Majerus’ similar style of coach it makes me think that his extreme antics rightfully wouldn’t stand today and I’m convinced he needed to go.

It will be interesting to see how coaching evolves as these methodologies become less accepted. It’s also crazy to me that parents would get so fixated on scholarships that they would let this stuff ride.


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[concerned]

Do we have anybody in the pipeline who is remotely comparable to Mykela or McKenna? Seems like a big drop off after those two.

[Diehard Ute]

Do we have anybody in the pipeline who is remotely comparable to Mykela or McKenna? Seems like a big drop off after those two.

We have some good gymnasts coming.

But first let’s be clear. MyKayla is on a level that exceeds anyone else at Utah, and pretty much anyone else in the country save Maggie Nichols

MaKenna has become an excellent gymnast, but in reality MyKayla is Michael Jordan.

Next years freshman class has a lot of talent, and Sydney Soloski who is a freshman this year is very talented.

Kari Lee and Missy Reinstadtler are both 39.5+ capable all around competitors as well.

Next years team has the potential to be the best team we’ve had in years.


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[concerned]

How about alexa birch? (???)

[Diehard Ute]

How about alexa birch? (???)

Alexia is a bit of mystery still.

She’s earned Megan’s trust on beam, haven’t seen enough of her everywhere else to know what kind of impact she’ll have, but from everything I’ve been told she’s a bit of a sleeper pickup which can be really good in gymnastics

Gymnastics is a weird recruiting sport....because athletes often are “done” by their twenties it takes a lot of evaluation to see who still has 4 years in their tank.

MyKayla is a bit of an oddity....she’s 21 and throwing the hardest difficulty stuff in the NCAA.


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[U-Ute]

We have some good gymnasts coming.

But first let’s be clear. MyKayla is on a level that exceeds anyone else at Utah, and pretty much anyone else in the country save Maggie Nichols

MaKenna has become an excellent gymnast, but in reality MyKayla is Michael Jordan.

Next years freshman class has a lot of talent, and Sydney Soloski who is a freshman this year is very talented.

Kari Lee and Missy Reinstadtler are both 39.5+ capable all around competitors as well.

Next years team has the potential to be the best team we’ve had in years.


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I've been impressed with Soloski this year.

[Diehard Ute]

Utes had a great regional showing yesterday.

They comfortably won, and still have room to improve. They left probably .3 on bars and .2 on beam.

If they hit like they can, they’re a 198 team.

Now, it’s time for a rant.

The way the Pac-12 and NCAA treats MyKayla Skinner is ridiculous

She’s won two straight Pac-12 all around championships. She’s won two straight NCAA regional championships. She holds the Pac-12 career record for gymnast of the week awards, and was the only gymnast named all conference in all 5 events.

Yet she has never been named gymnast of the year in the conference or at regionals and wasn’t freshman of the year last year.

I’ve been going to gymnastics for 26 years. I’ve seen a lot of amazing gymnasts, including attending nationals for 10 straight years. She’s the best athlete I’ve ever seen, yet her “reputation” has apparently black balled her from being recognized.

If you talk to anyone who actually knows her, they’ve got nothing but great things to say about her.

This year she lost out to Elizabeth Price for Pac-12 gymnast of the year and regional gymnast of the year. She’s a great gymnast. But MyKayla has now beaten her all 3 times they’ve gone head to head this season. There was some speculation Price was given the award so she would have it as it’s her last chance since she’s a senior, yet she was Pac-12 gymnast of the year as a sophomore.

I’m hoping the U is making some waves behind the scenes over this.



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[concerned]

I wasn't paying close attention to Stanford yesterday, since they were out of it from the very beginning, but I didn't even notice Elizabeth Price. How did she finish? never mind; I see she was named gymnast of the year. I didnt notice that either.

The square off between Cal and Auburn at the end was a lot of fun, even though there was no rooting interest (except I really wanted another Pac 12 team to qualify over an SEC team).

BTW, I thought the whole set up was very confusing. No programs; nothing to identify who is performing at any given point in time. I haven't been to a lot of multi-team meets, so I don't know if this is standard. And the names on top of the final scores were too small to read.

Utah may have won comfortably as it turned out, but after Kari Lee fell, it was still in doubt. Missy R. and Makayla really came through.

[Diehard Ute]

I wasn't paying close attention to Stanford yesterday, since they were out of it from the very beginning, but I didn't even notice Elizabeth Price. How did she finish? never mind; I see she was named gymnast of the year. I didnt notice that either.

The square off between Cal and Auburn at the end was a lot of fun, even though there was no rooting interest (except I really wanted another Pac 12 team to qualify over an SEC team).

BTW, I thought the whole set up was very confusing. No programs; nothing to identify who is performing at any given point in time. I haven't been to a lot of multi-team meets, so I don't know if this is standard. And the names on top of the final scores were too small to read.

Utah may have won comfortably as it turned out, but after Kari Lee fell, it was still in doubt. Missy R. and Makayla really came through.

Price placed second, behind MyKayla, for the third time this year.

While the conference thing is nice, I’m still friends with Jeff Graba and his family. I like to see Auburn do well because of that Utah connection. They’re really good people.

That’s a standard regional/nationals setup. The NCAA controls most everything and does a mediocre job.

That all changes next year. They’re going to be 4 regional sites instead of 6, and it’ll be a 3 day competition. The first day will be a “play in” which will be a dual meet with the winner advancing.

Day 2 will have 2 sessions with 4 teams each, leading to the top two from each session going to a 4 team “super regional” on day 3. The top 2 teams from each “super regional” will advance to the semifinals at nationals.

There will be two 4 team semifinals, and the top 2 from each semi will advance to the finals.





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[Diehard Ute]

Utah advances to the Super Six, along with LSU, UCLA, Nebraska, Florida and Oklahoma

MyKayla Skinner is the NCAA vault champion (3 way tie) and all-around runner up. (She beat Elizabeth Price for the 4th time this year....Elizabeth rotated with Utah and MyKayla sent out a picture with her earlier today saying she was excited to compete with her)





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[concerned]

Utah advances to the Super Six, along with LSU, UCLA, Nebraska, Florida and Oklahoma

MyKayla Skinner is the NCAA vault champion (3 way tie) and all-around runner up. (She beat Elizabeth Price for the 4th time this year....Elizabeth rotated with Utah and MyKayla sent out a picture with her earlier today saying she was excited to compete with her)





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do the 6 fibalists start from scratch tomorrow or do today's scores count?

[Diehard Ute]

do the 6 fibalists start from scratch tomorrow or do today's scores count?

Everything resets to 0

Only the team title is on the line. Everything else was decided last night.


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Not a great showing in the Super Six last night. Started the event on floor, typically our best scored event, only to pull in a season low score. And then followed that up with another season low on vault.

They ended up repeating last year’s finish in fifth.

Kudos to UCLA. They looked to be in solid third place but roared to a national championship by scoring a 10 on their last event. Peng-Peng Lee actually scored two 10s in her last two event. Glad that someone besides Oklahoma won.


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

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[Diehard Ute]

Not a great showing in the Super Six last night. Started the event on floor, typically our best scored event, only to pull in a season low score. And then followed that up with another season low on vault.

They ended up repeating last year’s finish in fifth.

Kudos to UCLA. They looked to be in solid third place but roared to a national championship by scoring a 10 on their last event. Peng-Peng Lee actually scored two 10s in her last two event. Glad that someone besides Oklahoma won.


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MaKenna struggled when the pressure was on.

I think Tom is right, the team put too much internal emphasis into being perfect, who knows why.

Next years team is loaded. It’s a good recruiting class and Tiffani Lewis is the only major on floor loss, although losing Maddy is a blow off the floor


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[Scorcho]

MaKenna struggled when the pressure was on.

I think Tom is right, the team put too much internal emphasis into being perfect, who knows why.

Next years team is loaded. It’s a good recruiting class and Tiffani Lewis is the only major on floor loss, although losing Maddy is a blow off the floor


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just read on the twitter that they will return 20 of 24 routines

[concerned]

although losing Maddy is a blow off the floor


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do you mean off the beam?

[Diehard Ute]

do you mean off the beam?

No. Outside of the gym.

She was a great lead beam worker, but her leadership was far more valuable.


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[DrumNFeather]

Is it true that our fans were screaming at the judges? I think this was in the top 12, not the super 6 that I had seen it reported.

[Scorcho]

Is it true that our fans were screaming at the judges? I think this was in the top 12, not the super 6 that I had seen it reported.

wow, I hope not. A couple things I don't understand about collegiate gymnastics.

maybe I'm wrong, but I get the sense that Utah gymnastics isn't viewed favorably by other gymnastics programs. Some of that is jealousy, size of the fan base, making the meets more like a rock concert vs. a piano recital. On Friday someone hired a plane to fly around St. Louis with the Drum n' Feather flag. I'm guessing no other fan base is doing that? The gymternet which I've never visited seems to have a hate relationship with Skinner (which I don't understand).

the other thing that's seems unfair is that UCLA opts to have their gymnast specialize. If one is great at the floor but weak at the vault, they'll only do 1 or 2 routines. That seems weirdly unfair.

bottom line I don't understand this sport as well as I'd like to.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Is it true that our fans were screaming at the judges? I think this was in the top 12, not the super 6 that I had seen it reported.

I give the fans a pass on this one.

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[Diehard Ute]

wow, I hope not. A couple things I don't understand about collegiate gymnastics.

maybe I'm wrong, but I get the sense that Utah gymnastics isn't viewed favorably by other gymnastics programs. Some of that is jealousy, size of the fan base, making the meets more like a rock concert vs. a piano recital. On Friday someone hired a plane to fly around St. Louis with the Drum n' Feather flag. I'm guessing no other fan base is doing that? The gymternet which I've never visited seems to have a hate relationship with Skinner (which I don't understand).

the other thing that's seems unfair is that UCLA opts to have their gymnast specialize. If one is great at the floor but weak at the vault, they'll only do 1 or 2 routines. That seems weirdly unfair.

bottom line I don't understand this sport as well as I'd like to.

The U hires the plane. They do it for away football games as well.

The “gymternet” folks are just weird.

Utah has never been liked, and much of why is unknown. There’s a false reputation that Utah’s team and fans aren’t welcoming....yet if you talk to other gymnasts they usually rave about Utah’s treatment of them. UCLA is the exception, but they also tend to forget their actions. And in the gymnastics world UCLA can do no wrong.


Skinner is seen by the internet folks as being arrogant and cocky. Which is totally wrong, but they don’t really care. The Olympic trials cemented their dislike of her, since she had the audacity to retweet complimentary things said about her....and openly express her belief she should have made the team over Gabby Douglas.

The actual programs themselves, not the fans, love the U. Look no further than how Elizabeth Price and BYU’s individual were treated by Utah this weekend.

As for UCLA and specialists. They can choose to do that. UCLA is a “star” designation so they get athletes who dont take scholarships.

The warm weather schools have an advantage over Utah. Gymnasts love warm weather.


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[sancho]

It's hard to trust a sport where referees are not supposed to be booed. The judges should be booed, and loudly, when they screw up. They should be cheered when they favor the home team. This is how sports work.

[concerned]

Did kara eaker commit to utah?

[Diehard Ute]

Did kara eaker commit to utah?

She verballed a while ago, she won’t sign an LOI for a year or two, she just turned 16 last week


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[concerned]

She verballed a while ago, she won’t sign an LOI for a year or two, she just turned 16 last week


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Thx. Hope that holds.

[Sullyute]

Just saw that Utah just beat BYU for the 40th straight time. Wow, that kind of puts the football streak in perspective. Great job Red Rocks!

[Diehard Ute]

Just saw that Utah just beat BYU for the 40th straight time. Wow, that kind of puts the football streak in perspective. Great job Red Rocks!

Utah is 98-2 against BYU, with both BYU wins in Provo under.....questionable judging

Utah’s current longest streaks are against USU 87 straight (last loss 1979) and against Arizona 62 straight (never lost to Arizona)


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[NorthwestUteFan]

Wasn't the last loss at byu due to Marsden walking the team off in protest at the judging? I thought they skipped the last rotation that night, though I could be wrong.

[Diehard Ute]

Wasn't the last loss at byu due to Marsden walking the team off in protest at the judging? I thought they skipped the last rotation that night, though I could be wrong.

That was the first loss in 1994, the last one was by less than .1 points after several BYU athletes set season or career highs.


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[Sullyute]

Interesting write up in Slate magazine about Mykayla Skinner being the most hated gymnast in the NCAA...

https://slate.com/culture/2019/04/mykayla-skinner-utah-red-rocks-ncaa-gymnastics-championships.html

[Diehard Ute]

Interesting write up in Slate magazine about Mykayla Skinner being the most hated gymnast in the NCAA...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiAjq6e4tnhAhURd98KHSmhCPIQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fslate.com%2Fculture%2F2019%2F04% 2Fmykayla-skinner-utah-red-rocks-ncaa-gymnastics-championships.html&psig=AOvVaw0DLwyeyYTVdUMj74VhSxWu&ust=1555681205488808

It’s fairly accurate.

The “gymternet” is a terrible place full of a lot of holier than thou types.

What the article doesn’t go into is the way UCLA has really helped fuel things. Their attacks on Utah and Utah’s fan base have blown up, of course they leave out a lot of details. Like the way UCLA’s fans have treated opposing teams for years (albeit they had terrible attendance until recently so no one noticed) and the assistant coaches at UCLA making obscene gestures and other things at Utah.

Regardless I’ve never heard anyone who actually knows Mykayla to say anything negative about her. In fact most everyone I’ve talked to said she’s an amazing teammate, especially given her insane abilities.




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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

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https://utahutes.com/news/2019/4/22/legendary-utah-gymnastics-coach-megan-marsden-retires.aspx

Megan slips out of the spotlight whereas UCLA’s Val sucked it up all season by announcing hers well in advanced.


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Skinner leaving school to chase the 2020 Olympic games. Could return for her senior year.