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HuskyFreeNorthwest
02-22-2013, 01:42 PM
I'll try to refrain from starting many Duck threads as I realize that myself and OrangeUte's smart son are the only ones that care. I thought it would be nice to have a place to talk about the conference basketball in total and allow people like myself to vent about their team's inability to score 50 points at a home game to basically clinch at least a share of the conference title!

Mike Montgomery is a dang good coach, and my Ducks are officially his prison girlfriend both in his Stanford time and now at Cal.

Applejack
02-22-2013, 01:51 PM
Oregon scored 50 points at home! I sometimes wish Utah could do that.

What's the tie-breaker situation with Arizona and Oregon?

DrumNFeather
02-22-2013, 03:18 PM
With one game separating the top 5 teams in the standings, things are going to get interesting down the stretch!

HuskyFreeNorthwest
02-22-2013, 03:26 PM
Oregon scored 50 points at home! I sometimes wish Utah could do that.

What's the tie-breaker situation with Arizona and Oregon?

Just those two would be Oregon, they won the only H2H.

U-Ute
02-22-2013, 03:27 PM
With one game separating the top 5 teams in the standings, things are going to get interesting down the stretch!

While the league doesn't have any outstanding teams, it is very deep with good teams. There isn't a huge difference between the top and the bottom of the league.

Mormon Red Death
02-22-2013, 03:33 PM
I would really love for Utah you finish 11 so we get the 830 game.

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HuskyFreeNorthwest
02-24-2013, 04:15 PM
Assuming UCLA holds onto this 15 point second half lead with 3-4 games left it looks like up to 7 teams can still win the conference. Amazing.

Luckily Oregon didn't let the trees pop the NCAA bubble yesterday.

DrumNFeather
02-25-2013, 08:13 AM
Updated Standings heading into this week game's and who plays who:

1. Arizona 24-4 (11-4) @USC, @UCLA
2. Oregon 22-6 (11-4) vs. OSU,
3. UCLA 20-7 (10-4) vs. ASU, vs. USC
4. California 18-9 (10-5) vs. Utah, vs. Colorado
5. Arizona St. 20-8 (9-6) @UCLA, @USC
6. Colorado 18-8 (8-6) @ Stanford, @Cal
7. USC 12-15 (7-7) vs. Arizona, vs. Arizona St.
8. Stanford 16-12 (7-8) vs. Colorado, vs. Utah
9. Washington 15-13 (7-8) vs. Washington St.
10. Utah 11-15 (3-11) @Cal, @Stanford
11. Oregon St. 13-15 (3-12) @Oregon,
12. Washington State 11-17 (2-13) @Washington

HuskyFreeNorthwest
02-25-2013, 11:24 AM
Updated Standings heading into this week game's and who plays who:

1. Arizona 24-4 (11-4) @USC, @UCLA
2. Oregon 22-6 (11-4) vs. OSU,
3. UCLA 20-7 (10-4) vs. ASU, vs. USC
4. California 18-9 (10-5) vs. Utah, vs. Colorado
5. Arizona St. 20-8 (9-6) @UCLA, @USC
6. Colorado 18-8 (8-6) @ Stanford, @Cal
7. USC 12-15 (7-7) vs. Arizona, vs. Arizona St.
8. Stanford 16-12 (7-8) vs. Colorado, vs. Utah
9. Washington 15-13 (7-8) vs. Washington St.
10. Utah 11-15 (3-11) @Cal, @Stanford
11. Oregon St. 13-15 (3-12) @Oregon,
12. Washington State 11-17 (2-13) @Washington

Oregon has a chance to hold on, but Colorado has been a nemesis for the Ducks and Utah played us well up here. I'm thinking Oregon splits that and beats the Beavs this weekend to finish 13-5. A fall from the 7-0 start, but still a nice season with a patchwork roster.

Clearly the winner for Zona/UCLA seems to have the inside track for the title, but Cal is playing as good of basketball as anyone, I see them sweeping this weekend and then with a win against Stanford finish 13-5. It could be a 3+ way tie for the title.

SoCalPat
02-25-2013, 12:51 PM
Arizona State is doing its damndest to get home-court advantage in the NIT. Losing to Utah on the road was bad, losing to a Washington team on its last breath before it goes under for good should be fatal. I think the Sun Devils have to sweep the SoCal roadie to have any chance of an at-large. The UCLA sweep has to provide some meat on ASU's skeleton of a resume.

SoCalPat
02-25-2013, 12:55 PM
It'll be updated by the time most of you read this, but Lunardi's projected SLC field is an absolute dream. It includes Gonzaga, St. Louis, Colorado State and Arizona -- all teams with some kind of tie to hoops in the state of Utah.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

Jeromy in SLC
02-25-2013, 01:28 PM
It'll be updated by the time most of you read this, but Lunardi's projected SLC field is an absolute dream. It includes Gonzaga, St. Louis, Colorado State and Arizona -- all teams with some kind of tie to hoops in the state of Utah.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

Have my tickets, and yes, that would be a dream field. The best field I have seen personally to date was 2003. It had Arizona, Duke, Gonzaga, Creighton, Cincinnati, Central Michigan, Colorado State, and Vermont. The games were awesome. Central Michigan, lead by Chris Kaman, upset Creighton. CSU took Duke to the wire. Gonzaga and Cincinnati had a bruising game, followed by that triple overtime classic with Arizona. Even Vermont featured Taylor Coppenrath, whom lead the Catamounts to an upset of Syracuse the next year.

That was our first time attending NCAA games, and we swore that we would go back every time after that (and were rewarding with an awesome round of 16 in 2010, when Bulter shocked Syracuse on their way to the Final Four).

UBlender
02-25-2013, 03:27 PM
I think it would be all sorts of fun to see Iowa State, Ole Miss and San Diego State in SLC.

SoCalPat
02-25-2013, 03:33 PM
I think it would be all sorts of fun to see Iowa State, Ole Miss and San Diego State in SLC.

You forgot Oral Roberts

UBlender
02-25-2013, 03:45 PM
Yeah, having Oral would be nice. I hadn't seen their name in the last mock brackets I looked at so I wasn't sure if they were in the hunt or not (and obviously hadn't bothered to look it up). How about Drake? They're not that good, are they? Am I forgetting any other programs with the former Utes that are littered across the nation?

IdahoUteTroutHead
02-25-2013, 03:58 PM
[QUOTE=UBlender;3490]Yeah, having Oral would be nice.

Oh man....

SoCalPat
02-25-2013, 03:59 PM
Yeah, having Oral would be nice. I hadn't seen their name in the last mock brackets I looked at so I wasn't sure if they were in the hunt or not (and obviously hadn't bothered to look it up). How about Drake? They're not that good, are they? Am I forgetting any other programs with the former Utes that are littered across the nation?

Generally, the one-bid leagues like the Southland just have the current league leader posted in mock brackets. ORU is in third, a game back of Stephen F. Austin and Northwestern State. So most definitely they're in the hunt. Drake isn't nearly as good -- they're tied for 8th in the 10-team Missouri Valley Conference.

Tacoma Ute
02-25-2013, 04:18 PM
Yeah, having Oral would be nice. I hadn't seen their name in the last mock brackets I looked at so I wasn't sure if they were in the hunt or not (and obviously hadn't bothered to look it up). How about Drake? They're not that good, are they? Am I forgetting any other programs with the former Utes that are littered across the nation?

Oral Roberts just lost a Bracketbuster game at home to Weber State Saturday 70-76.

DrumNFeather
02-28-2013, 07:37 AM
Updated Standings heading into this week game's and who plays who:

1. Arizona 24-4 (11-4) L @USC, @UCLA
2. Oregon 22-6 (11-4) vs. OSU,
3. UCLA 20-7 (10-4) W vs. ASU, vs. USC
4. California 18-9 (10-5) W vs. Utah, vs. Colorado
5. Arizona St. 20-8 (9-6) L @UCLA, @USC
6. Colorado 18-8 (8-6) W @ Stanford, @Cal
7. USC 12-15 (7-7) W vs. Arizona, vs. Arizona St.
8. Stanford 16-12 (7-8) L vs. Colorado, vs. Utah
9. Washington 15-13 (7-8) vs. Washington St.
10. Utah 11-15 (3-11) L @Cal, @Stanford
11. Oregon St. 13-15 (3-12) @Oregon,
12. Washington State 11-17 (2-13) @Washington

Arizona loses to drop to 11-5 with a road game @UCLA (also 11-4) on Saturday. This could open the door for the Ducks who sit at 11-4 and host OSU, then travel to Utah and Colorado to close out the season.

DrumNFeather
03-01-2013, 08:12 AM
Updated standings and remaining games through 3/1:

1. Oregon (12-4) 23-6: @Colorado, @Utah
2. UCLA (11-4) 21-7: vs. Arizona, @WSU, @Washington
3. California (11-5) 19-9: vs. Colorado, vs. Stanford
4. Arizona (11-5) 23-5: @UCLA, vs. Arizona St.
5. Colorado (9-6) 19-8: @Cal, vs. Oregon, vs. Oregon St.
6. Arizona St (9-7) 20-9: @USC, @Arizona
7. USC (8-7) 13-15: vs. ASU, @Washington, @WSU
8. Washington (7-8) 15-13: vs. WSU, vs. USC, vs. UCLA
9. Stanford (7-9) 16-13: vs. Utah, @Cal
10. Utah (3-12) 11-16: @Stanford, vs. Oregon St., vs. Oregon
11. Oregon St. (3-13) 13-16: @Utah, @Colorado
12. Washington St. (2-13) 11-17: @Washington, vs. UCLA, vs. USC

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-01-2013, 11:56 AM
The first half looked very bleak last night. The second half was a lot of fun, reminded me why I love college basketball the atmosphere.

Jarid in Cedar
03-01-2013, 11:59 AM
The first half looked very bleak last night. The second half was a lot of fun, reminded me why I love college basketball the atmosphere.

did you get to go to the game?

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-01-2013, 01:50 PM
did you get to go to the game?

Yeah, late start made for a rough morning getting the boys going to school. It was worth it though.

Jarid in Cedar
03-01-2013, 01:51 PM
Yeah, late start made for a rough morning getting the boys going to school. It was worth it though.

we consistently would get home after 3:00 am last year after football games. So, I know what you mean.

DrumNFeather
03-02-2013, 04:26 PM
USC tops Arizona St. 57-56 to improve to 9-7 in conference while ASU drops to 9-8.

DrumNFeather
03-04-2013, 07:09 AM
Updated standings and remaining games through 3/3:

1. Oregon (12-4) 23-6: @Colorado, @Utah
2. UCLA (12-4) 22-7: @WSU, @Washington
3. California (12-5) 20-9: vs. Stanford
4. Arizona (11-6) 23-6: vs. Arizona St.
5. Colorado (9-7) 19-9: Oregon, vs. Oregon St.
6. USC (9-7) 14-15: @Washington, @WSU
7. Arizona St (9-8) 20-10: @Arizona
8. Washington (8-8) 16-13: vs. USC, vs. UCLA
9. Stanford (8-9) 16-14: @Cal
10. Oregon St. (3-13) 13-16: @Utah, @Colorado
11. Utah (3-13) 11-17: vs. Oregon St., vs. Oregon
12. Washington St. (2-14) 11-18: vs. UCLA, vs. USC


The only major shift this week saw USC move up to the 6 spot and ASU went down to 7. Utah and Oregon St. will battle it out to see who lands on the 10/11 line on Thursday. I believe if Oregon wins out they'll be the top seed due to tie breakers.

Mormon Red Death
03-04-2013, 07:43 AM
Updated standings and remaining games through 3/3:

1. Oregon (12-4) 23-6: @Colorado, @Utah
2. UCLA (12-4) 22-7: @WSU, @Washington
3. California (12-5) 20-9: vs. Stanford
4. Arizona (11-6) 23-6: vs. Arizona St.
5. Colorado (9-7) 19-9: Oregon, vs. Oregon St.
6. USC (9-7) 14-15: @Washington, @WSU
7. Arizona St (9-8) 20-10: @Arizona
8. Washington (8-8) 16-13: vs. USC, vs. UCLA
9. Stanford (8-9) 16-14: @Cal
10. Oregon St. (3-13) 13-16: @Utah, @Colorado
11. Utah (3-13) 11-17: vs. Oregon St., vs. Oregon
12. Washington St. (2-14) 11-18: vs. UCLA, vs. USC


The only major shift this week saw USC move up to the 6 spot and ASU went down to 7. Utah and Oregon St. will battle it out to see who lands on the 10/11 line on Thursday. I believe if Oregon wins out they'll be the top seed due to tie breakers.

Who would win a tiebreaker between ASU and USC? I really want Utah to play ASU 1st round of the tourney.

DrumNFeather
03-04-2013, 08:17 AM
Who would win a tiebreaker between ASU and USC? I really want Utah to play ASU 1st round of the tourney.


Looks like they split the season series. ASU only has one game left vs. Arizona, so if they win that, USC would have to stumble vs. Washington and Washington st. to lose the 6 spot, I think.

Mormon Red Death
03-04-2013, 08:29 AM
Looks like they split the season series. ASU only has one game left vs. Arizona, so if they win that, USC would have to stumble vs. Washington and Washington st. to lose the 6 spot, I think.

Looks Like I really want Utah to win on Thursday then. If Utah beat Ore St then they end up 10ths and will play ASU

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-04-2013, 10:14 AM
2 wins away, Artis healthy. I like this scenario.

DrumNFeather
03-04-2013, 10:19 AM
Looks Like I really want Utah to win on Thursday then. If Utah beat Ore St then they end up 10ths and will play ASU

Yeah, I think our best case scenario is a 7-10 with ASU or a 6-11 with Colorado. If USC wins out and CU splits this week, then CU would drop to the 6 spot.

DrumNFeather
03-07-2013, 08:00 AM
Losses last night all by higher ranked/seeded teams:

Washington St. Topped UCLA which all of the sudden puts the loser of the Oregon St. Utah game in line for the 12 seed, and drops UCLA to 12-5, opening the door for Oregon to win it outright with a Utah/CU sweep.

Stanford beat Cal, so the Cardinal finish 9-9 in league play and Cal is now 12-6. Cal should still get a first round bye as a top 4 finisher.

Washington beat USC, which puts them both at 9-8 in league play and means that spots 5-9 are all up in the air.

Last night's results really threw a wrench into tournament seeding. The biggest winners from last night CU & Oregon will play tonight with Oregon having the chance to take a full game lead on UCLA with one to play and a trip to the Huntsman Center looming.

UBlender
03-07-2013, 09:45 AM
Stanford beat Cal, so the Cardinal finish 9-9 in league play and Cal is now 12-6. Cal should still get a first round bye as a top 4 finisher.


Strange that Stanford and Cal finished their regular season last night. It doesn't matter to Utah since we're going nowhere fast but if I were affiliated with one of the other contending teams I'd be a little grumpy about the extra rest and prep time that Cal gets in advance of the conference tournament. Seems like an unnecessary advantage.

Mormon Red Death
03-07-2013, 09:58 AM
Losses last night all by higher ranked/seeded teams:

Washington St. Topped UCLA which all of the sudden puts the loser of the Oregon St. Utah game in line for the 12 seed, and drops UCLA to 12-5, opening the door for Oregon to win it outright with a Utah/CU sweep.

Stanford beat Cal, so the Cardinal finish 9-9 in league play and Cal is now 12-6. Cal should still get a first round bye as a top 4 finisher.

Washington beat USC, which puts them both at 9-8 in league play and means that spots 5-9 are all up in the air.

Last night's results really threw a wrench into tournament seeding. The biggest winners from last night CU & Oregon will play tonight with Oregon having the chance to take a full game lead on UCLA with one to play and a trip to the Huntsman Center looming.

Shit... that means if utah loses tonight they get the 2:30 game. I better hope the flights all go as planned.

SoCalPat
03-07-2013, 10:30 AM
Losses last night all by higher ranked/seeded teams:

Washington St. Topped UCLA which all of the sudden puts the loser of the Oregon St. Utah game in line for the 12 seed, and drops UCLA to 12-5, opening the door for Oregon to win it outright with a Utah/CU sweep.

Stanford beat Cal, so the Cardinal finish 9-9 in league play and Cal is now 12-6. Cal should still get a first round bye as a top 4 finisher.

Washington beat USC, which puts them both at 9-8 in league play and means that spots 5-9 are all up in the air.

Last night's results really threw a wrench into tournament seeding. The biggest winners from last night CU & Oregon will play tonight with Oregon having the chance to take a full game lead on UCLA with one to play and a trip to the Huntsman Center looming.

Cal cannot fall out of the top 4, since everyone behind them already has seven losses and the Bears are in the clubhouse at 12-6.

Very interesting scenario for spots 6-9. The possibility of a four-way tie for sixth at 9-9 between USC, Washington, Stanford and Arizona State is very real. USC should beat Wazzu to get there, and Washington needs to lose to UCLA. ASU should lose to Arizona at Tucson. Stanford is already at 9-9. Colorado could join the mix if it loses to both Oregon schools at home.

Way too many variables in play to sort out Utah's seeding possibilities, but I'll give it a whack anyway. This much is known or almost certain: Utah finishes 10th by winning out. It finishes 12th by losing out. It loses any head-to-head tiebreaker with WSU. Utah can only finish 11th by losing a head-to-head tiebreaker with Oregon State in which Utah loses to OSU, but beats Oregon while OSU loses to Colorado and WSU loses to USC. In that case, the first tiebreaker would be head-to-head, with OSU having a 2-0 advantage.

If Utah beats OSU, loses to Oregon, but OSU beats Colorado, Utah would win the tiebreaker for 10th by virtue of best conference win (Arizona State, since both Utah and OSU would have beaten Colorado and Washington)

OSU-Utah, thankfully, likely eliminates the possibility of a three-team tiebreaker. In the event all three teams finish 4-14, Utah would again finish 12th by virtue of going 1-2 vs. OSU-WSU, while OSU-WSU went 2-1. WSU would then finish 10th by virtue of the better conference win (UCLA) and Oregon would finish 11th.

Honestly, I would take losing out and getting Colorado in the 5-12 game. The next best scenario is USC finishing 6th, because 11th is the least-likely landing spot for Utah. Worst-case scenario is losing out to finish 12th, Colorado losing out to get into the 6th place tiebreaker and USC winning while ASU and Washington lose to claim 5th place outright.

SoCalPat
03-07-2013, 10:33 AM
Shit... that means if utah loses tonight they get the 2:30 game. I better hope the flights all go as planned.

Not a guarantee, but certainly the strongest possibility.

SoCalPat
03-07-2013, 10:41 AM
Strange that Stanford and Cal finished their regular season last night. It doesn't matter to Utah since we're going nowhere fast but if I were affiliated with one of the other contending teams I'd be a little grumpy about the extra rest and prep time that Cal gets in advance of the conference tournament. Seems like an unnecessary advantage.

Cal also goes 8 days without playing. There's something to be said about the negative effects of that kind of layoff, although they could be trumped if their opponent has to play a tough (overtime?) game the day before.

UBlender
03-07-2013, 11:00 AM
Cal also goes 8 days without playing. There's something to be said about the negative effects of that kind of layoff, although they could be trumped if their opponent has to play a tough (overtime?) game the day before.

That's true. If Cal can shake off the rust and get through that first game then I think it is in the second and third game (if they got there) that the extra rest this week would really show up. I guess I just don't see why the conference wouldn't put Cal-Stanford on Saturday if it was their only game this week.

SoCalPat
03-07-2013, 11:03 AM
That's true. If Cal can shake off the rust and get through that first game then I think it is in the second and third game (if they got there) that the extra rest this week would really show up. I guess I just don't see why the conference wouldn't put Cal-Stanford on Saturday if it was their only game this week.

Without any research, I'll bet it's because of TV.

SoCalPat
03-07-2013, 11:07 AM
Cal cannot fall out of the top 4, since everyone behind them already has seven losses and the Bears are in the clubhouse at 12-6.

Very interesting scenario for spots 6-9. The possibility of a four-way tie for sixth at 9-9 between USC, Washington, Stanford and Arizona State is very real. USC should beat Wazzu to get there, and Washington needs to lose to UCLA. ASU should lose to Arizona at Tucson. Stanford is already at 9-9. Colorado could join the mix if it loses to both Oregon schools at home.

Way too many variables in play to sort out Utah's seeding possibilities, but I'll give it a whack anyway. This much is known or almost certain: Utah finishes 10th by winning out. It finishes 12th by losing out. It loses any head-to-head tiebreaker with WSU. Utah can only finish 11th by losing a head-to-head tiebreaker with Oregon State in which Utah loses to OSU, but beats Oregon while OSU loses to Colorado and WSU loses to USC. In that case, the first tiebreaker would be head-to-head, with OSU having a 2-0 advantage.

Utah also finishes 11th by beating OSU (which also loses to Colorado), losing to Oregon and WSU beats USC. That would put WSU 10th and Utah 11th. Quite frankly, that's a far more likely situation to finish 11th than the first one I mentioned.

SoCalPat
03-07-2013, 12:11 PM
So, who is on the hot seat in the Pac-12?

Dawkins? I think he stays. Should he? Stanford's patience with him will be rewarded?

Robinson - he's gone, right?

Anyone else?

You could make the argument that Robinson is coaching for his job tonight. Winning doesn't necessarily guarantee he's back next year, but losing out and finishing last in the P-12 in Year 5 is enough to let him go.

Ken Bone at WSU is also in a tough spot. Stanford hasn't been as good as perceived this year, but I think you let Dawkins back for another year.

Jarid in Cedar
03-07-2013, 12:18 PM
I understand the desire for a good seed, but losing out would be awful. We have just 3 conference wins - I want one more, and I DON'T want to finish last in the conference. I would rather have a bad first round matchup with USC than sit at last place.


:iagree:

UBlender
03-07-2013, 12:23 PM
Without any research, I'll bet it's because of TV.

That was my thought too. Like I said, not a big deal for fans of the bottom dwellers but if I was a, let's say a UCLA, Oregon or Colorado fan I'd be bothered by the league creating an uneven situation here.

SoCalPat
03-07-2013, 12:24 PM
I understand the desire for a good seed, but losing out would be awful. We have just 3 conference wins - I want one more, and I DON'T want to finish last in the conference. I would rather have a bad first round matchup with USC than sit at last place.

Totally agree. I was presenting a silver lining approach, seeing our odds of winning one of our next two are probably 3-1 against.

UBlender
03-07-2013, 12:28 PM
So, who is on the hot seat in the Pac-12?

Dawkins? I think he stays. Should he? Stanford's patience with him will be rewarded?

Robinson - he's gone, right?

Anyone else?

Gotta imagine Robinson and Bone are in deep right now, but I'm not sure how fans of those schools perceive them. Dawkins may have bought himself another year last night if he hadn't already done so.

No mentions of Romar yet? It seems UW always underperforms to the level of talent they have and this season especially has been a disappointment.

How about Sendek? Last year he was on his last legs. They bounced back well this year but will this late fade cost him?

It sounds like USC isn't going to give Cantu the job permanently.

Jarid in Cedar
03-07-2013, 12:31 PM
Gotta imagine Robinson and Bone are in deep right now, but I'm not sure how fans of those schools perceive them. Dawkins may have bought himself another year last night if he hadn't already done so.

No mentions of Romar yet? It seems UW always underperforms to the level of talent they have and this season especially has been a disappointment.

How about Sendek? Last year he was on his last legs. They bounced back well this year but will this late fade cost him?

It sounds like USC isn't going to give Cantu the job permanently.


Sendek received a new extension at the beginning of last season(to the dismay of many ASU fans) so outside of a scandal, I think he is safe for another year or 2.

SoCalPat
03-07-2013, 02:02 PM
It sounds like USC isn't going to give Cantu the job permanently.

And USC will regret it if another Pac-12 school snaps him up. Doesn't he merit a major head coaching job after what he's done at USC this year?

Hoyos Revenge
03-07-2013, 02:13 PM
Gotta imagine Robinson and Bone are in deep right now, but I'm not sure how fans of those schools perceive them. Dawkins may have bought himself another year last night if he hadn't already done so.

No mentions of Romar yet? It seems UW always underperforms to the level of talent they have and this season especially has been a disappointment.

How about Sendek? Last year he was on his last legs. They bounced back well this year but will this late fade cost him?

It sounds like USC isn't going to give Cantu the job permanently.

Wazzu and OSU are in the same boat as their coaches go. Both have three years left on their deal after this year. A Wazzu blogger told me they've spent a ton on facilities for football and likely don't want to pay the buyout this year. If Wazzu had ended the season on a giant losing streak, maybe, but the UCLA probably saves him. I imagine Oregon St. waits one year as well.

Sendek's future is tied to Jahii Carson, if Carson bolts for the NBA, ASU will probably fire him but if Carson is back, expect Sendek to return as well.(that according to sports radio in Arizona).

DrumNFeather
03-07-2013, 08:55 PM
In other Pac 12 action, Colorado leads Oregon 37-21.

OrangeUte
03-07-2013, 09:57 PM
In other Pac 12 action, Colorado leads Oregon 37-21.

I bet the ducks are hoping that they get a shot at Colorado in the tournament. What a strange game for Oregon. This may be a motivating loss for the ducks.

DrumNFeather
03-07-2013, 10:08 PM
Updated standings and remaining games through 3/7 Hot off the presses:

1. Oregon (12-5) 23-7: @Utah
2. UCLA (12-5) 22-8: @Washington
3. California (12-6) 20-10:
4. Arizona (11-6) 23-6: vs. Arizona St.
5. Colorado (10-7) 20-9: vs. Oregon St.
6. Arizona St (9-8) 20-10: @Arizona
7. Washington (9-8) 17-13: vs. UCLA
8. USC (9-8) 14-16: @WSU
9. Stanford (9-9) 18-13
10. Utah (4-13) 12-17: vs. Oregon
11. Oregon St. (3-14) 13-17: @Colorado
12. Washington St. (3-14) 12-18: vs. USC

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-07-2013, 10:45 PM
Brutal. If Oregon has to play Colorado in the P12 tourney, take Colorado.

SoCalPat
03-08-2013, 12:26 AM
Updated standings and remaining games through 3/7 Hot off the presses:

1. Oregon (12-5) 23-7: @Utah
2. UCLA (12-5) 22-8: @Washington
3. California (12-6) 20-10:
4. Arizona (11-6) 23-6: vs. Arizona St.
5. Colorado (10-7) 20-9: vs. Oregon St.
6. Arizona St (9-8) 20-10: @Arizona
7. Washington (9-8) 17-13: vs. UCLA
8. USC (9-8) 14-16: @WSU
9. Stanford (9-9) 18-13
10. Utah (4-13) 12-17: vs. Oregon
11. Oregon St. (3-14) 13-17: @Colorado
12. Washington St. (3-14) 12-18: vs. USC

Tonight did a lot to determine our seeding for the tournament. Utah finishes 10th outright if it beats Oregon, or with a loss to the Ducks and losses by OSU and WSU. I would place the latter as the most likely scenario, especially since we've had enough unlikely results in the last 48 hours to cover a month's worth of games.

Utah also finishes 10th if it loses to Oregon, but OSU wins and WSU loses. Utah would own the tiebreaker against OSU by virtue of its win against Arizona State.

Utah finishes 11th if it loses, OSU loses and WSU wins. We lose the head-to-head tiebreaker with WSU.

Utah finishes 12th if it loses to Oregon, and OSU and WSU both win. That would create a three-way tie for 10th. Utah would be first eliminated by virtue of its 1-2 record against OSU (2-2) and WSU (2-1). WSU would then win the head-to-head with OSU by virtue of its win against UCLA.

The perfect storm: Utah beats Oregon and draws Washington in the 7-10 game. Do not ask me what has to take place for us to draw UW.

UBlender
03-08-2013, 10:00 AM
Tonight did a lot to determine our seeding for the tournament. Utah finishes 10th outright if it beats Oregon, or with a loss to the Ducks and losses by OSU and WSU. I would place the latter as the most likely scenario, especially since we've had enough unlikely results in the last 48 hours to cover a month's worth of games.

Utah also finishes 10th if it loses to Oregon, but OSU wins and WSU loses. Utah would own the tiebreaker against OSU by virtue of its win against Arizona State.

Utah finishes 11th if it loses, OSU loses and WSU wins. We lose the head-to-head tiebreaker with WSU.

Utah finishes 12th if it loses to Oregon, and OSU and WSU both win. That would create a three-way tie for 10th. Utah would be first eliminated by virtue of its 1-2 record against OSU (2-2) and WSU (2-1). WSU would then win the head-to-head with OSU by virtue of its win against UCLA.

The perfect storm: Utah beats Oregon and draws Washington in the 7-10 game. Do not ask me what has to take place for us to draw UW.

Gotta really like our first round matchup if we can get either UW or ASU, not so much if we get USC or Stanford. As far as I can tell, all four are still a possibility if we finish 10th or 11th, but I'm also not going to even try to break down the scenarios for how 6-9 will shake out.

I hope we don't finish 12th and doubt that we will but if we did that wouldn't be too bad of a draw (assuming we get CU, that is).

SoCalPat
03-08-2013, 10:09 AM
Gotta really like our first round matchup if we can get either UW or ASU, not so much if we get USC or Stanford. As far as I can tell, all four are still a possibility if we finish 10th or 11th, but I'm also not going to even try to break down the scenarios for how 6-9 will shake out.

I hope we don't finish 12th and doubt that we will but if we did that wouldn't be too bad of a draw (assuming we get CU, that is).

Funny how CU is a "decent" matchup for us, but death for Oregon. CU's win last night is even more impressive when one realizes Andre Roberson didn't suit up last night -- he was out with the flu.

OSU has a win over CU this year. That game in Boulder should not be classified as a gimme, especially with how horrible OSU played against us. I expect a 5-point game at the final TV timeout Saturday.

UW would be my dream matchup. My biggest fear about ASU is that they're a bubble team desperate to make up for the last two weeks.

SoCalPat
03-08-2013, 10:55 AM
So, the Pac-12 has 5 teams going dancing in Lunardi's latest - Cal (10), Zona (5) , Oregon (7), CU (11), and UCLA (7).

The two finalists in the Pac-12 tournament will get a bump in seeding, but right now, none are projected as Sweet 16 teams. It seems like everyone is backing into the tournament with bad losses lately. Cal was coming on strong until the Stanford loss. Oregon has really faltered. Zona's best wins were in December. Colorado is up and down. UCLA with the head scratching loss to WSU.

So who is most likely to make a little run? Or, does our conference get shut out of the round of 16? Who is the most likely first round exit?

Cal has the best guard in Crabbe, and only Howland rivals Monty's experience/success on the sidelines. They've also got March experience from last year. The 7-10 matchup is basically even, and if it can draw a weak two seed in the second round, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bears playing a second weekend.

Utah
03-08-2013, 11:28 AM
So, the Pac-12 has 5 teams going dancing in Lunardi's latest - Cal (10), Zona (5) , Oregon (7), CU (11), and UCLA (7).

The two finalists in the Pac-12 tournament will get a bump in seeding, but right now, none are projected as Sweet 16 teams. It seems like everyone is backing into the tournament with bad losses lately. Cal was coming on strong until the Stanford loss. Oregon has really faltered. Zona's best wins were in December. Colorado is up and down. UCLA with the head scratching loss to WSU.

So who is most likely to make a little run? Or, does our conference get shut out of the round of 16? Who is the most likely first round exit?

So, who gets knocked out when we win the tourney? Or does the PAC-12 become a six team league?

SoCalPat
03-08-2013, 11:31 AM
So, who gets knocked out when we win the tourney? Or does the PAC-12 become a six team league?

Six bid league, unless Colorado does something truly disastrous, like lose consecutive games to Oregon State. Everyone else is safe.

In that instance, would we be a First Four team or would we get a 13 seed and not play until Thursday/Friday?

Jarid in Cedar
03-08-2013, 11:50 AM
Six bid league, unless Colorado does something truly disastrous, like lose consecutive games to Oregon State. Everyone else is safe.

In that instance, would we be a First Four team or would we get a 13 seed and not play until Thursday/Friday?

if we win out that would give us a .500 record. In my opinion that would give us a12 or 13 seed.