Der Jakob Poeltl Thread

[chrisrenrut]

I searched, but couldn't find a thread dedicated to Jakob. There has been lots of talk about his improvement, status as an all-time Ute great, and draft potential in other season and game threads. I'm guessing we will need a place to continue to discuss him after this season is over.

I love this picture of Jakob from the game Sunday. The fact that the 7 footer is flying through the air like someone much smaller, and the grin on his face are both awesome.

http://binaryapi.ap.org/3e704217f51d4703ab6761aa5c735dbc/460x.jpg

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Poeltl or Pöltl?! Where do we stand on this?!?!


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[chrisrenrut]

Pötato, Potäto

Umlauts weren’t always written as dots above a vowel.

Since the Middle Ages, umlauted vowels have been indicated in various ways in German. Before the two-dot version became the standard in the 19th century, it was usually written as a tiny “e” above the vowel. It is still sometimes written with an e next to the vowel, for example, Muenchen for München, or schoen for schön.

However, the non-umlaut version is not quite as Metal:

Heavy Metal Umlauts don’t look so heavy metal to umlaut users.Beginning with Blue Öyster Cult in the early '70s, heavy metal bands started using the umlaut to signal a badass hard rock attitude. To Americans the umlaut had a harsh, Teutonic look to it and Mötley Crüe, Motörhead, Queensrÿche, and dozens of other bands (listed on the Metal Umlaut Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_umlaut)) tried to impart a little gothic scariness through randomly scattered pairs of dots. The dots didn’t have quite the same effect in umlaut-using countries, where the umlaut signifies vowel qualities of softness, highness, lightness and roundedness.

[mUUser]

I searched, but couldn't find a thread dedicated to Jakob. There has been lots of talk about his improvement, status as an all-time Ute great, and draft potential in other season and game threads. I'm guessing we will need a place to continue to discuss him after this season is over.

I love this picture of Jakob from the game Sunday. The fact that the 7 footer is flying through the air like someone much smaller, and the grin on his face are both awesome.

http://binaryapi.ap.org/3e704217f51d4703ab6761aa5c735dbc/460x.jpg


I'll bet my son would love this pic as a poster.

[Diehard Ute]

I'll bet my son would love this pic as a poster.

It's an awesome shot

According to Krysko, Poeltl has a 36-38" vertical. Pretty impressive for a 7 footer.


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[chrisrenrut]

The accolades are coming in.

USA Today all American 1st team

CBS Sports PAC 12 player of the year

[U-Ute]

The last 3 weeks he has looked like a young NBA center playing against college kids. Given where he was last year, he has earned every accolade that is undoubtedly coming his way. I won't be surprised if he is a consensus All American.

[311ute]

He's now 3 for 3 on major publications naming him First Team AA.

USA Today yesterday, ESPN and NBC today.

Looking like he has a legit chance to be a consensus AA. Here are the requirements, per wikipedia:

While an increasing number of media outlets select All-America teams, the NCAA recognizes consensus All-America teams back to 1905.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Basketball_All-Americans#cite_note-2) These teams have drawn from two to six major media sources over the years, and are intended to reflect the opinions of most college basketball experts. Today the four teams used to select consensus teams are: the Associated Press (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press), The National Association of Basketball Coaches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Basketball_Coaches), the United States Basketball Writers Association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Basketball_Writers_Association) and Sporting News (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_News) magazine. Since 1984, the NCAA has applied a standardized point system to those teams designated as "major" All-American teams to determine consensus teams. The point system consists of three points for first team, two points for second team and one point for third team. No honorable mention or fourth team or lower are used in the computation. The top five totals plus ties are first team and the next five plus ties are second team.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Basketball_All-Americans#cite_note-3)

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Sports Illustrated All American. http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/03/10/si-all-americas-buddy-hield-denzel-valentine-brice-johnson

[Diehard Ute]

Sports Illustrated All American. http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/03/10/si-all-americas-buddy-hield-denzel-valentine-brice-johnson

Even if they do think he's a forward


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[Diehard Ute]

Jakob wins the Kareem Abdul Jabbar best center award.


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[UtahsMrSports]

Jakob wins the Kareem Abdul Jabbar best center award.


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Love it! A Cousy award one year, a KAJ award the next. Great things for Utah Basketball!

[UtahsMrSports]

In fifty years, there will be a Matt Chastain award for the best sf in the nation. Purdue passing on him will be their bowie over Jordan.

Absolutely!

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Jakob wins the Kareem Abdul Jabbar best center award.


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Awesome but this makes me nervous that he might start consider leaving a year early next year for the NBA.

[U-Ute]

https://twitter.com/espn700bill/status/719639096402948096

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[SeattleUte]

Why a formal announcement? What does that portend?


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[UtahsMrSports]

Why a formal announcement? What does that portend?


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College players going into their junior year frequently call press conferences to announce that they are returning to school.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

College players going into their junior year frequently call press conferences to announce that they are returning to school.

I just held one about my intentions of going into the office tomorrow morning.

[U-Ute]

Eagerly awaiting Jakob's announcement that he's coming back for his junior year today!

:jig:

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Shit.

[U-Ute]

Good luck in your adventure Jakob!

[DrumNFeather]

Officially declares for the draft. :onalimb:

[UtahsMrSports]

Now I just hope he lands in a good spot.

[DrumNFeather]

Now I just hope he lands in a good spot.

So...not the Jazz.

[chrisrenrut]

If you are an NBA GM, who would you take first? Poeltl or Sabonis?

[U-Ute]

So...not the Jazz.

Not the Jazz, who have Gobert. Not the Sixers who have 3 centers.

[SeattleUte]

College players going into their junior year frequently call press conferences to announce that they are returning to school.

Wrong again.

[U-Ute]

If you are an NBA GM, who would you take first? Poeltl or Sabonis?

I think they have different games. So it depends on how you want to play him.

Sabonis is a better shooter, but I think Poeltl would be better in a pick-and-roll setup.

[Rocker Ute]

Wrong again.

Calibrate that sarcasm meter.

[UtahsMrSports]

Wrong again.

Someday i hope to be like you, Su.....always right, and with enough money that i can go around and do things to better mankind for free because gosh darn it im a good person.

[U-Ute]

Someday i hope to be like you, Su.....always right, and with enough money that i can go around and do things to better mankind for free because gosh darn it im a good person.

Its good to be SU.

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[LA Ute]

Wrong again.

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[SeattleUte]

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There's some pretty heavy irony here.

[LA Ute]

There's some pretty heavy irony here.

Yep.

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[Solon]

Poetl to Toronto.
Seems like a nice place to land - it's an up-and-coming team that could use a little size.

[U-Ute]

Poeltl forced into playing and is not disappointing.

http://m.ottawasun.com/2016/11/05/raptors-rookie-poeltl-way-ahead-of-schedule

[SeattleUte]

Does anyone here still think that Poetl made the right decision? I was vilified as living comfortably and insensitive to the plight of this poor impoverished college kid. It was BS. Poetl has been a huge embarrassment. 2.1 ppg; he hasn't really even made the Raptors team. He's spent much of the season in the NBA minor leagues. What if he'd have stayed another year and now Pac 12 MVP, the Utes Pac 12 champs and contending for a top seed? Kodiak has his weaknesses, but one of them isn't training big men.

Nowadays it's all about money; actually, money quicker. But often it's just stunting, even if you're over 7 feet.

[LA Ute]

Does anyone here still think that Poetl made the right decision? I was vilified as living comfortably and insensitive to the plight of this poor impoverished college kid. It was BS. Poetl has been a huge embarrassment. 2.1 ppg; he hasn't really even made the Raptors team. He's spent much of the season in the NBA minor leagues. What if he'd have stayed another year and now Pac 12 MVP, the Utes Pac 12 champs and contending for a top seed? Kodiak has his weaknesses, but one of them isn't training big men.

Nowadays it's all about money; actually, money quicker. But often it's just stunting, even if you're over 7 feet.

As I've said before here (to much derision) the NBA has ruined college basketball. Well, not ruined, but severely damaged it or at least changed the experience fundamentally. Dan Patrick is a huge critic of this.

[sancho]

As I've said before here (to much derision) the NBA has ruined college basketball. Well, not ruined, but severely damaged it or at least changed the experience fundamentally. Dan Patrick is a huge critic of this.

Yeah, it's nutty. We're all hoping for an Akot tomorrow, but if he's as good as we want him to be, we only get him for a year. I have no idea what duke will look like from year to year.

[SeattleUte]

As I've said before here (to much derision) the NBA has ruined college basketball. Well, not ruined, but severely damaged it or at least changed the experience fundamentally. Dan Patrick is a huge critic of this.

I don't think it's ruined it at all. The NC game last season was emblematic--possibly the greatest college game ever, and the winning team didn't have any one and dones, or maybe any NBA players. Fine, let the market rule. That's what I say about almost anything. I wish they wouldn't force players to play at least one year. The problem isn't the NBA. The problem is the shitty values that made it a purported no brainer for Poetl to leave. Nobody cares about anything but money now now now. It didn't hurt Tim Duncan, Tom Chambers, Jabber, Jordan, a whole bunch of players to play 3-4 years, and most of these one or two and dones including Poetl will never be worthy to be their vales. A lot of great NBA players over the years needed that full time in college to fully develop, including, for example, Andre Miller, Chambers, Van Horn.

[SeattleUte]

It's too bad. Poetl could have been a special player.

[snafu]

It's too bad. Poetl could have been a special player.

Pretty harsh, don't you think?

He hasn't even finished his rookie season and he has topped out already?

[Applejack]

Pretty harsh, don't you think?

He hasn't even finished his rookie season and he has topped out already?
Yeah, the rush to judgment about a player that the raptors knew was a project seems unnecessary.

[DrumNFeather]

I think the overwhelming sentiment wasn't that he was ready per se, but more so that if you're going to be a lottery pick, you have to go. His improvement from year one to year two was pretty great. I would've loved to see how he did with another off-season of Navy Seal training.

[311ute]

LOL at this thread. "Poeltl has been a huge embarrassment", and "Poeltl could have been a special player."

Poeltl was Pac-12 POY, consensus AA, and top-10 pick. How is that not special? What else was there left for him to do at the collegiate level? It would have been a mistake for him to stay another year. The league/draft is not the same as it was 20 years ago. Take a look at the mock drafts for this year... there's one... ONE(!) upperclassman currently projected in the first round. Everyone one else is either a college freshman or sophomore (most are freshman), and a couple international guys. If you're a projected first rounder you should go. Especially if you're going to be a top-10/lottery pick like Poeltl.

It takes young players like Poeltl time to get PT in the league, especially on a contender like the Raptors. Poeltl has a very bright future in the NBA, and writing him off this early is silly.

[concerned]

Lok ivan Rabb who stayed too long

[UBlender]

LOL at this thread. "Poeltl has been a huge embarrassment", and "Poeltl could have been a special player."

Poeltl was Pac-12 POY, consensus AA, and top-10 pick. How is that not special? What else was there left for him to do at the collegiate level? It would have been a mistake for him to stay another year. The league/draft is not the same as it was 20 years ago. Take a look at the mock drafts for this year... there's one... ONE(!) upperclassman currently projected in the first round. Everyone one else is either a college freshman or sophomore (most are freshman), and a couple international guys. If you're a projected first rounder you should go. Especially if you're going to be a top-10/lottery pick like Poeltl.

It takes young players like Poeltl time to get PT in the league, especially on a contender like the Raptors. Poeltl has a very bright future in the NBA, and writing him off this early is silly.

I agree with everything here. Jakob would have cost himself a lot of money by staying--one year of playing for free vs earning, plus he goes later in the draft this year vs last. This year's draft is much deeper, he's likely going in the teens rather than the top ten so his contract isn't worth as much. Plus, you have the constant devaluing of the traditional NBA big man, meaning that with each passing year there is less emphasis on drafting size and more on drafting shooting and skills.

If you follow the NBA draft at all you know that there is a "deflation" for players that stay past a year or two in college. The model where you improve your stock with each year you stay in college is long gone. If you stay more than two years you are viewed as "old" and have nearly reached full potential (I think this idea is silly, but it is how NBA GMs view it and theirs is the vote that matters).

Jakob has done some nice things when he has gotten minutes, but he's on a team that sees it's championship window lasting for a couple more years so they are in full "win now" mode. If he had gone to the Nets or Magic or Lakers he'd be playing a lot, putting up much better raw numbers but who knows how that would work for his long-term development.

Now I've wasted a lot of words on SeattleUte's trolling, so congratulations I guess.

[SeattleUte]

One thing has been empirically proven, and that's that Jakob Poetl wasn't ready for the NBA. Maybe he'll get better, maybe he'll get ready for the NBA. (But I'd like to see a study, how many players go from 2.1 ppg and not really even qualifying for the varsity NBA team and ultimately amount to anything. AJ, maybe he was taken as a project, but would the Raptors spend a ninth pick on him if they could go back in time? I think not.)

I'm aware of the take the money and run, piggy, short-term analyses that dictated him going in 2016. But Whatever short-term analysis people make about is he better going in 2016 or 2017 or 2018, he'd be better off with a long, productive NBA career than as a short term bust. No? That's true not only financially but also intangibly. No? I'm not talking about NBA all-star, as all the evidence seems to indicate that's not in his future; I'm talking about Bill Wennington productive NBA career, which I think is/was in the cards. So, would he have a better chance of achieving that where he's been the past year and where he is now, or with the Utes under Kodiak? That's the real question. Only the most cynical, short term, nihilistic, take the money and run, piggish outlook would dictate that this is not the real issue.

[snafu]

One thing has been empirically proven, and that's that Jakob Poetl wasn't ready for the NBA. Maybe he'll get better, maybe he'll get ready for the NBA. (But I'd like to see a study, how many players go from 2.1 ppg and not really even qualifying for the varsity NBA team and ultimately amount to anything. AJ, maybe he was taken as a project, but would the Raptors spend a ninth pick on him if they could go back in time? I think not.)

Have you followed Gordon Hayward's career? He averaged 5 points per game in his rookie season. Now seven years later he is finally an all-star. It took some time but he developed and so can JP. I can understand the mentality that you want to develop AND get paid at the same time.

[Utah]

Poeltl's problem is he was drafted by Toronto, whose coach hates playing young players.

[Applejack]

Poetl traded to the Spurs as part of the Kawhi Leonard deal. Good luck to "the huge embarrassment."