How Utah (the state) Thrives

[LA Ute]

This seems like a pretty objective article about the state of Utah. I am posting it here because it doesn't seem to fit anywhere else. But stories like this, and the facts/viewpoints it reports, are important to U. of Utah sports, especially recruiting.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-28/how-utah-keeps-the-american-dream-alive

I am really not sure which way this article cuts in terms of recruiting.

[tooblue]

This seems like a pretty objective article about the state of Utah. I am posting it here because it doesn't seem to fit anywhere else. But stories like this, and the facts/viewpoints it reports, are important to U. of Utah sports, especially recruiting.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-28/how-utah-keeps-the-american-dream-alive

Remember this exchange a while back? I was accused of making a weird argument in response by Rocker:


Mark Few on BYU ...

"The fans there look at sports as a way of showing people how great their way of life [the Mormon religion] is and to beat a team like ours almost becomes a basketball crusade"


That's an amazingly perceptive statement about BYU. He's going to be hated in Provo now, but he's dead on.


And Utah fans are different how? You share the same heritage; the same blood courses through your veins. Utah fans are the mirror image of BYU fans. It comes with the location, wherever you call home—or once called home—along the Wasatch Front. It's remarkable how you fail to see it

Of course, I guess what you are doing is a little different but ... :blink:

[LA Ute]

Remember this exchange a while back? I was accused of making a weird argument in response by Rocker:







Of course, I guess what you are doing is a little different but ... :blink:

Oh please.


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[tooblue]

Oh please.


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... and thank you ... so, you are not saying life is so great because of the "way of life" in Utah, due in large part to the [Mormon religion] that recruiting will improve as a result? And in the religion forum you didn't post:


I wonder if Kyle will use that in recruiting LDS athletes.

After linking to an article written by Chase Hansen? I'm the one that can rightfully say: Oh please.

[Rocker Ute]

... and thank you ... so, you are not saying life is so great because of the "way of life" in Utah, due in large part to the [Mormon religion] that recruiting will improve as a result? And in the religion forum you didn't post:



After linking to an article written by Chase Hansen? I'm the one that can rightfully say: Oh please.

You've forgotten what the discussion was previously about. Mark Few noted that BYU fans act like winning a game will prove that they have a great way of life.

That's pretty funny and spot on.

LA simply said the improved way of life in Utah (because of the LDS church) may be a recruiting tool.

Pretty distinctly different things. Now I don't know I agree that it would matter myself, but many of your fans really do believe that winning games is going to convince people the church is true.


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[LA Ute]

...many of your fans really do believe that winning games is going to convince people the church is true.

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!

[Ma'ake]

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!

This thread is like when the fam's in the family car, ready to go on the big summer vacation, and the adults go back in the house for one last trip to the restroom, and your little brother jumps in the driver's seat and (somehow) gets the car high-centered on the fire hydrant in front of your house.

[tooblue]

You've forgotten what the discussion was previously about. Mark Few noted that BYU fans act like winning a game will prove that they have a great way of life.

That's pretty funny and spot on.

LA simply said the improved way of life in Utah (because of the LDS church) may be a recruiting tool.

Pretty distinctly different things. Now I don't know I agree that it would matter myself, but many of your fans really do believe that winning games is going to convince people the church is true.


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Slice it however you like, but the fact is LA is validating a way of life in the same manner. You're all part of the same loaf of bread. The only difference is you are slathered in strawberry and not blueberry jam.

[tooblue]

This thread is like when the fam's in the family car, ready to go on the big summer vacation, and the adults go back in the house for one last trip to the restroom, and your little brother jumps in the driver's seat and (somehow) gets the car high-centered on the fire hydrant in front of your house.

The question is, who is the little brother, looking for ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG8jR4h8BtI

[DrumNFeather]

Slice it however you like, but the fact is LA is validating a way of life in the same manner. You're all part of the same loaf of bread. The only difference is you are slathered in strawberry and not blueberry jam.

Ugh, I hate jam...gross.

[Diehard Ute]

Ugh, I hate jam...gross.

Yeah. Who the hell uses jam?

Preserves. We're strawberry preserves (and who the hell puts blueberry on anything? Blech)


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[Rocker Ute]

Slice it however you like, but the fact is LA is validating a way of life in the same manner. You're all part of the same loaf of bread. The only difference is you are slathered in strawberry and not blueberry jam.

To illustrate it further, my dad's favorite joke when Notre Dame is doing well in football is to say, "Wow, did you see Notre Dame beat up <insert school name>? I don't know how to explain it but I find myself drawn to the teachings of the Catholic Church."

The problem is, you guys actually believe that happens at BYU. Many fans actually believe that.

So there really is no slicing it, Few noticed it and so does anyone else who encounters BYU and its fans.

[tooblue]

To illustrate it further, my dad's favorite joke when Notre Dame is doing well in football is to say, "Wow, did you see Notre Dame beat up <insert school name>? I don't know how to explain it but I find myself drawn to the teachings of the Catholic Church."

The problem is, you guys actually believe that happens at BYU. Many fans actually believe that.

So there really is no slicing it, Few noticed it and so does anyone else who encounters BYU and its fans.

I don't believe it. I think you really want to believe that many fans believe it. Just because you want it to be so, doesn't make it so. What should be more worrisome to you is you appear to be projecting—looking in a mirror:

https://chadray.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/mirror.jpg

[tooblue]

Yeah. Who the hell uses jam?

Preserves. We're strawberry preserves (and who the hell puts blueberry on anything? Blech)


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Jams and marmalades are very popular the world over ... so are blueberries:

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/healthy-berries/

[tooblue]

Ugh, I hate jam...gross.

I always pegged you as a marmalade guy:

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[Rocker Ute]

I don't believe it. I think you really want to believe that many fans believe it. Just because you want it to be so, doesn't make it so. What should be more worrisome to you is you appear to be projecting—looking in a mirror:

https://chadray.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/mirror.jpg

You have never heard a BYU fan say that the athletics program is part of the missionary arm of the church?

http://www.timesandseasons.org/harchive/2009/09/does-the-byu-football-program-have-a-spiritual-mission/

http://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3717470

http://gospelcougar.blogspot.com/2007/02/is-byu-football-waste-of-tithing.html?m=1

http://www.standard.net/Sports/2014/12/29/It-s-time-to-stop-calling-BYU-s-football-team-a-missionary-tool

3 minutes on google would tell you many fans believe that.

OR go to cougarboard and ask who believes athletics is a missionary tool for the church.

Stop pretending like it isn't happening.



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[tooblue]

You have never heard a BYU fan say that the athletics program is part of the missionary arm of the church?

http://www.timesandseasons.org/harchive/2009/09/does-the-byu-football-program-have-a-spiritual-mission/

http://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3717470

http://gospelcougar.blogspot.com/2007/02/is-byu-football-waste-of-tithing.html?m=1

http://www.standard.net/Sports/2014/12/29/It-s-time-to-stop-calling-BYU-s-football-team-a-missionary-tool

3 minutes on google would tell you many fans believe that.

OR go to cougarboard and ask who believes athletics is a missionary tool for the church.

Stop pretending like it isn't happening.



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Stop pretending Y'all (at least some of you) here aren't guilty of the same in many ways; that you don't believe the many successful Mormon athletes who have played for Utah over the years are not a missionary tool. Tell me you don't beam when broadcasters mention the many returned missionaries on the football team, or in years past when the likes of Alex Jensen and Britton Johnson were playing for the Utes in the final four. Oh please.

[tooblue]

Stop pretending Y'all (at least some of you) here aren't guilty of the same in many ways; that you don't believe the many successful Mormon athletes who have played for Utah over the years are not a missionary tool. Tell me you don't beam when broadcasters mention of many returned missionaries on the football team, or in years past when the likes of Alex Jensen and Britton Johnson were playing for the Utes in the final four. Oh please.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865628940/Utah-Utes-coaches-tailor-weekly-religion-class-for-LDS-football-players.html


https://www.lds.org/new-era/1999/03/the-finals-decision?lang=eng

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705285279/Kyle-Whittingham-In-control.html


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865639453/Washington-group-requests-that-Utah-football-coaches-stop-teaching-religion-classes.html


http://www.ldsliving.com/Utah-Utes-draw-star-LDS-recruit-after-he-sees-institute-building/s/71587



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[Rocker Ute]

Stop pretending Y'all (at least some of you) here aren't guilty of the same in many ways; that you don't believe the many successful Mormon athletes who have played for Utah over the years are not a missionary tool. Tell me you don't beam when broadcasters mention the many returned missionaries on the football team, or in years past when the likes of Alex Jensen and Britton Johnson were playing for the Utes in the final four. Oh please.

I can't figure out if you are being intentionally obtuse. I'll assume you are and so I'll stop being trolled.

Being proud of someone from your same background does not equal believing people are joining the church or even admiring it because of their success. I don't know a single person who believes of has stated that someone has joined the church because Alex Jensen could rebound like Dennis Rodman.




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[tooblue]

I can't figure out if you are being intentionally obtuse. I'll assume you are and so I'll stop being trolled.

Being proud of someone from your same background does not equal believing people are joining the church or even admiring it because of their success. I don't know a single person who believes of has stated that someone has joined the church because Alex Jensen could rebound like Dennis Rodman.




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Talk about obtuseness. I have personally heard Ute fans utter that very sentiment, or something along the lines of: Alex Jensen is a great representative of the LDS church. Implying his character and high profile as a former player and coach has influenced individuals to join the church. I'm certainly OK with it. But oh, well Rocker. Have your fun pretending you don't see LDS returned missionary Ute athletes as effective emissaries of your religion. I'll stop "trolling" now.

[LA Ute]

Anyway, the positive article about Utah as a place where there is unusually good upward mobility should make Utah recruiting easier for some recruits. I think it's a net positive. That what I intended this thread to be about. Am I right?


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[Rocker Ute]

Talk about obtuseness. I have personally heard Ute fans utter that very sentiment, or something along the lines of: Alex Jensen is a great representative of the LDS church. Implying his character and high profile as a former player and coach has influenced individuals to join the church. I'm certainly OK with it. But oh, well Rocker. Have your fun pretending you don't see LDS returned missionary Ute athletes as effective emissaries of your religion. I'll stop "trolling" now.

Implying (well actually it's you inferring) versus directly stating. That is the difference. Mark Few gets it from 1000 miles away, that's what is humorous about it.

As for what LA Ute is driving at, I also think Utah is a great place to live with lots of opportunity.


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[Scorcho]

Talk about obtuseness. I have personally heard Ute fans utter that very sentiment, or something along the lines of: Alex Jensen is a great representative of the LDS church. Implying his character and high profile as a former player and coach has influenced individuals to join the church. I'm certainly OK with it. But oh, well Rocker. Have your fun pretending you don't see LDS returned missionary Ute athletes as effective emissaries of your religion. I'll stop "trolling" now.



:rofl:

"Alex Jensen", clearly that's proof that you have your finger on the pulse of today's Utah fanbase/athletes. At least you didn't go back to the days when Utah was playing in the Mountain States Athletic Conference.

It's entertaining to watch Zoobs include Ute fans only when it benefits them, and quickly exclude us (ALUF's) when it doesn't.

[tooblue]

:rofl:

"Alex Jensen", clearly that's proof that you have your finger on the pulse of today's Utah fanbase/athletes. At least you didn't go back to the days when Utah was playing in the Mountain States Athletic Conference.

It's entertaining to watch Zoobs include Ute fans only when it benefits them, and quickly exclude us (ALUF's) when it doesn't.

Dude, he's an assistant coach with the Jazz, and currently being given credit for playing a significant role in the meteoric rise of Rudy Gobert. So, who here is plugged in, and who isn't ... lol ... typical zoot.

[chrisrenrut]

Dude, he's an assistant coach with the Jazz, and currently being given credit for playing a significant role in the meteoric rise of Rudy Gobert. So, who here is plugged in, and who isn't ... lol ... typical zoot.

And how much play has that gotten on this Utah Sports based message board? Doesn't exactly support your argument that Ute fans are using Alex's membership in the church to bolster Utah athletics.

Your arguments are a stretch, to say the least.

https://theembiggensproject.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/stretch_armstrong1.jpg

[tooblue]

And how much play has that gotten on this Utah Sports based message board? Doesn't exactly support your argument that Ute fans are using Alex's membership in the church to bolster Utah athletics.

Your arguments are a stretch, to say the least.



If it's not getting any play then that's a huge indictment against the fanbase. It demonstrates just how fickle and fair-weather zoots— especially here on this board, obviously—are. Here's a good article to help catch you up:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/1/8/14203902/rudy-gobert-jazz-ceiling-sunday-shootaround

My argument is:

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[chrisrenrut]

If it's not getting any play then that's a huge indictment against the fanbase. It demonstrates just how fickle and fair-weather zoots— especially here on this board, obviously—are. Here's a good article to help catch you up:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/1/8/14203902/rudy-gobert-jazz-ceiling-sunday-shootaround

My argument is:


Do you even know what you are arguing anymore? How does being aware of Alex's role in Rudy's developement have anything to do with Ute fans tie of the LDS religion to Utah sports? Ute fans would have to be talking about it for you to make that connection, and that ain't happening.

To put my feelings in a way that LAUte would appreciate, you are the Fezzini of this board. Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

[tooblue]

Do you even know what you are arguing anymore? How does being aware of Alex's role in Rudy's developement have anything to do with Ute fans tie of the LDS religion to Utah sports? Ute fans would have to be talking about it for you to make that connection, and that ain't happening.

To put my feelings in a way that LAUte would appreciate, you are the Fezzini of this board. Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

What is it with this weird obsession with the Princess Bride ... lol ... it's cultural, no doubt. You citing it here only reinforces and further proves my point. ALUF Ute fans are the mirror image of BYU fans. Utah based Mormons love that movie more than any group I have ever encountered. That is just too funny chrisenrut—too funny.

[Scorcho]

Dude, he's an assistant coach with the Jazz, and currently being given credit for playing a significant role in the meteoric rise of Rudy Gobert. So, who here is plugged in, and who isn't ... lol ... typical zoot.

http://i.imgur.com/ABtwP3k.gif

[sancho]

Do you even know what you are arguing anymore?

I know I don't.

[LA Ute]

What is it with this weird obsession with the Princess Bride ....

It was a work of comic genius, you warthog-faced baboon.


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[Rocker Ute]

The art of Talking Out of Both Sides of Your Mouth - by tooblue

So Utah fans are pointing to Alex Jensen leading people into the church, yet are largely unaware of his status today or his role in the rise of Rudy.

It seems perhaps maybe you are obsessed with this.

However you get an F on this assignment. You've failed to properly support your arguments. Your students would be disappointed in you.


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[tooblue]

The art of Talking Out of Both Sides of Your Mouth - by tooblue

So Utah fans are pointing to Alex Jensen leading people into the church, yet are largely unaware of his status today or his role in the rise of Rudy.

It seems perhaps maybe you are obsessed with this.

However you get an F on this assignment. You've failed to properly support your arguments. Your students would be disappointed in you.


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I teach art and philosophy. There is no such thing as an F. In fact, I'd probably get a really good grade for my arguments as presented. One day I'll have to share with you my doughnut philosophy that helped get me into grad school.

Oh, and Ya I kinda agree: I am obsessed with all ya'll's obsession—cause it's quite the obsession.

[Rocker Ute]

I teach art and philosophy. There is no such thing as an F. In fact, I'd probably get a really good grade for my arguments as presented. One day I'll have to share with you my doughnut philosophy that helped get me into grad school.

Oh, and Ya I kinda agree: I am obsessed with all ya'll's obsession—cause it's quite the obsession.

Of course there is such a thing as an F, you guys are just afraid to say it.


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[LA Ute]

Bumping my original post, which doesn't mention much of anything that is covered in most of the posts in this thread:

*****

This seems like a pretty objective article about the state of Utah. I am posting it here because it doesn't seem to fit anywhere else. But stories like this, and the facts/viewpoints it reports, are important to U. of Utah sports, especially recruiting.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-28/how-utah-keeps-the-american-dream-alive

I am really not sure which way this article cuts in terms of recruiting.

[tooblue]

Of course there is such a thing as an F, you guys are just afraid to say it.


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You mean Freudian? Of course we are not afraid to say Freudian. For example: a while back in another thread, was it a Freudian slip when you mis-construed my "You're off your rocker" comment as sexual innuendo?

[LA Ute]

Dear tooblue:

Just for you, an excerpt from the board rules:


The cardinal rule on UtahBy5 is to attack the post or the idea, but not the poster. The camaraderie of this community is a privilege, not a right, and we will ask those who cannot follow this rule to clean up their act, and ultimately to go if they don’t.

With that said, we also recognize that folks are frequently passionate about the issues they debate and discuss here and that community members will sometimes use sarcasm, satire, and even condescension to make a point. While we think there are better ways to get your point across, in moderation they will be tolerated. But if those rhetorical techniques are just your style or we find you using them too often, you’re going to need a new style or a new community. We’ll do our best to warn people when we see them crossing the line, but if we come home to find you got drunk and shaved the dog you will probably find yourself on the curb without a warning. So be careful, use common sense and pay attention to how people are reacting to you.


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