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U-Ute
03-15-2013, 09:13 AM
9:30 MST tonight on ESPN.

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LA Ute
03-15-2013, 09:15 AM
Brief preview from PAC-12 Network. (http://video.pac-12.com/pac-12-semifinals-preview-utah-vs-oregon)

ESPN's recap of our last game with the Ducks. (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=330680254)

The Odds Shark: (http://www.oddsshark.com/ncaab/pac-12-tournament---ncaa-hoops-odds-preview---utah-vs-oregon-march-15-2013)


The Utah Utes will look to pick up a win while covering the spread when they take on the Ducks in Oregon at MGM Grand Garden Arena on Friday in college basketball action.


This is a conference playoff game in the Pac 12 Tournament. The game is being played at MGM Grand Garden Arena, which makes it technically a neutral site match.


The Ducks currently sports a 23-8 record overall in NCAAB action, and have posted a corresponding betting slate of 11-16-2 ATS. The Utes are 15-17 and 20-10 ATS. Betting totals have seen the Ducks produce a 10-15 OVER/UNDER record on the season, while the Utes have gone 14-12 against the number.


View Utah vs Oregon Odds and Stats. (http://www.oddsshark.com/ncaab/utah-oregon-odds-march-15-2013)


Power Rankings / Prediction:

According to new college basketball power rankings here, it's the No. 56-ranked Ducks and the No. 129-rated Utes in this matchup. Computer formulas aimed at predicting NCAAB scores point to a 74-67 win for the Ducks on Friday.

How They Match Up:

The game also pits Oregon's No. 76-ranked offense, averaging 71.5 PPG, against a Utes defense that ranks No. 91 at 63.2 PPG. The Ducks field goal percentage has averaged 44.8% so far, more than the Utes marksmen have achieved on the year, 44.4% per game.

Defensively, Utah features the nation's No. 124-rated defense on the road, allowing 67.5 points per game. Oregon, meanwhile, comes in at No. 121 nationally in scoring at home.


Utah won its last outing, a 79-69 result against California on March 14. They covered in that game as an 8-point underdog. Utah got 21 points from Jarred DuBois en route to a 79-69 victory over California on Thursday at MGM Grand Garden Arena.


Oregon was an 80-77 winner in their most recent outing at home against Washington. They failed to cover the 3.5-point spread as favorites. Tony Woods scored 19 points leading the Ducks to an 80-77 victory over Washington at MGM Grand Garden Arena on Thursday.

UBlender
03-15-2013, 09:21 AM
Utah is going to need a big game by someone other than our big three of Dubois, Loveridge and Washburn. Taylor has been kind of quiet in the tournament, it would be a nice time for him to make his presence felt.

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 09:22 AM
Utah is going to need a big game by someone other than our big three of Dubois, Loveridge and Washburn. Taylor has been kind of quiet in the tournament, it would be a nice time for him to make his presence felt.

We need to find a way to neutralize Kazemi as well.

UtahsMrSports
03-15-2013, 09:51 AM
Utah is going to need a big game by someone other than our big three of Dubois, Loveridge and Washburn. Taylor has been kind of quiet in the tournament, it would be a nice time for him to make his presence felt.

Taylor only played 26 minutes last night. We REALLY need to play well to help us, as the other guys will surely be fatigued.

Hot Lunch
03-15-2013, 09:52 AM
Take down the Zeros!

SavaUte
03-15-2013, 09:53 AM
Taylor only played 26 minutes last night. We REALLY need to play well to help us, as the other guys will surely be fatigued.

Yeah, that was odd that he and Washburn sat so much last night. Wonder why. Hope it pays dividends tonight, although i'm sure that isn't why they were sitting....

Hot Lunch
03-15-2013, 10:05 AM
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I am calling these guys in for tonight's game to do some duck hunting.

Go Utes! Beat the Ducks!

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-15-2013, 10:14 AM
Dotson showed some signs of breaking out of his slump and returning to what he was at the start of the year. That will be huge. Artis needs to play better than last night and Kazemi needs to be good before OT. I feel like the Ducks recaptured some of their early season mojo last night.

UBlender
03-15-2013, 11:02 AM
Taylor only played 26 minutes last night. We REALLY need to play well to help us, as the other guys will surely be fatigued.

My thought process is that Taylor has been solid, but JD is bound to cool off at some point so someone else will need to pick up a little slack. I just hope that in cooling off JD could still go for 12-15 points and not totally go ice cold and then Taylor can step up and make up the difference.

Jarid in Cedar
03-15-2013, 11:04 AM
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I am calling these guys in for tonight's game to do some duck hunting.

Go Utes! Beat the Ducks!

Ha! I wanted to start the game thread with something about DuckDynasty. Best show on TV right now.

Coastal Ute
03-15-2013, 12:08 PM
We will struggle with Kazemi tonight. I wasn't the least bit surprised that Oraby destroyed us down low in the first game. We are just simply not physical/deep enough in the front court and as much as I like the potential of Olsen he has been such a spazz on the block. Dubois has been a godsend but I'm sure Oregon will be ready for him tonight. Ublender is right- tonight it is someone else's turn to step up. I'd like to see Washburn get some more touches/minutes as well.

SeattleUte
03-15-2013, 12:12 PM
Somebody in Vegas needs to go to Target and pick up a bunch of tiny rubber ducks and toss them in the urinals. It's what they do in Husky Stadium. It's funny at least to me and my 8 year old.

Hot Lunch
03-15-2013, 01:27 PM
Ha! I wanted to start the game thread with something about DuckDynasty. Best show on TV right now.


Hands down the best show on T.V. right now. The best thing about that show is every member of my family loves it, even my two daughters. It is the one show that all us are excited to watch.

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-15-2013, 02:00 PM
Déclassé, SU.

UteBeliever aka Port
03-15-2013, 02:57 PM
Headed to Vegas! Wheels up no later than 5. Go Utes!

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 03:30 PM
I'm just excited that this game is late enough that I can watch it live.

It's the small things in life...

Diehard Ute
03-15-2013, 04:28 PM
Yeah, that was odd that he and Washburn sat so much last night. Wonder why. Hope it pays dividends tonight, although i'm sure that isn't why they were sitting....

Krysko said after the game that Dean is the better defender and that's why he played more, also said he was more calm

SavaUte
03-15-2013, 04:31 PM
Krysko said after the game that Dean is the better defender and that's why he played more, also said he was more calm

I'll buy that

UteBeliever aka Port
03-15-2013, 04:40 PM
Need tickets to the game. help? advice?

Mormon Red Death
03-15-2013, 04:42 PM
Need tickets to the game. help? advice?

No scalpers allowed they are very vigilant. 72 for the session

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HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-15-2013, 05:33 PM
Need tickets to the game. help? advice?

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=26&subAreaID=&query=Pac+12&catAbb=sss

Solon
03-15-2013, 06:44 PM
No scalpers allowed they are very vigilant. 72 for the session

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

Seems like there are plenty of guys outside the elevators asking about tickets.
It's unclear if they're buying or selling.

Should be rocking tonight. There's a lot of buzz around - lots of AZ fans roaming the place.

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 07:10 PM
PAC-12 just announced that @Runnin_Utes (https://twitter.com/Runnin_Utes) vs. Oregon has sold out tonight. Looks like some Ute Fans made the trip! We appreciate the support!

Looks like a lot of people made plans!

Go Utes!

chrisrenrut
03-15-2013, 08:51 PM
Looks like a lot of people made plans!Go Utes!The stadium is packed. It's about 1/2 Arizona fans. I hope they become Utah fans in the second game.

UBlender
03-15-2013, 09:06 PM
The stadium is packed. It's about 1/2 Arizona fans. I hope they become Utah fans in the second game.

One would think that pretty much anybody there other than Oregon fans will be cheering for the Utes tonight (with the possible exception of Cal fans that stuck around and are still angry about last night).

chrisrenrut
03-15-2013, 09:28 PM
One would think that pretty much anybody there other than Oregon fans will be cheering for the Utes tonight (with the possible exception of Cal fans that stuck around and are still angry about last night).

Az fans have mostly cleared out, and the arena is now half empty. Unfortunately they do the tickets as a session, so Az fans leaving can't give or sell their tickets to Ute fans.

Redbird
03-15-2013, 09:42 PM
Game time

Redbird
03-15-2013, 09:49 PM
Uh, it would be nice if we could stop Dotson.

Redbird
03-15-2013, 09:52 PM
Utah looking very careless with the ball, and not working the offense. Could be a long game.

UtahDan
03-15-2013, 09:54 PM
Missing a lot of easy looks.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 09:55 PM
Let's hope they settle down.

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-15-2013, 09:56 PM
Good start, need to keep pushing the pace. Utes look tired.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 09:57 PM
Freak turnover but costly.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:00 PM
Oregon came ready to play. This could get ugly if we don't settle down.

Redbird
03-15-2013, 10:03 PM
Ducks are owning us defensively. We aren't creating shots.

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-15-2013, 10:04 PM
One thing is for sure, both teams brought the unis on a high level tonight!

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:06 PM
Utah looking a bit flat footed on offense. Oregon D looking much more active than they did last week. Utes need to be a bit more aggressive on the offensive end.

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:07 PM
Utes keep settling for 3's. Oregon is overplaying, it seems like there would be opportunities for back cuts.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:08 PM
The Ducks are all over us on D. Picking up Washburn almost at half court.

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:09 PM
Lazy D by Tucker after making a nice shot. Gonna get pulled.

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-15-2013, 10:10 PM
This is how Dotson played through the first half of the season, he's been on a slide. Welcome back Dot!

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:11 PM
Why give him an uncontested shot?

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:11 PM
We gotta get a bit of a run put together before the end of the half or we will be down 15 points. :(

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:12 PM
Why give him an uncontested shot?

I didn't quite understand that defense. I think there was some confusion. It looked like half the team was zone and half the team was man.

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-15-2013, 10:13 PM
Why give him an uncontested shot?

Lloyd has struggled to score since Artis got hurt, most teams have been giving him that look. He's struggled to knock it down consistently.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:14 PM
We gotta get a bit of a run put together before the end of the half or we will be down 15 points. :(

Do they seem confused on offense to anyone else? Taylor racing back and forth at the top of the key, and no one moving much?

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:14 PM
This is how Dotson played through the first half of the season, he's been on a slide. Welcome back Dot!

I remember being thoroughly impressed with him in the UNLV game. Freshman wall?

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:15 PM
Do they seem confused on offense to anyone else? Taylor racing back and forth at the top of the key, and no one moving much?

We are definitely out of sync. The Oregon D has made us tentative. Oregon is playing the pick-n-roll extremely well. There just haven't been many angles.

NorthwestUteFan
03-15-2013, 10:18 PM
They don't need the associated garbage, but they could surely use Marshall Henderson tonight.

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-15-2013, 10:19 PM
I remember being thoroughly impressed with him in the UNLV game. Freshman wall?

Yeah, just looked like dead legs and a step slow the last 3-4 weeks. He was very impressive early.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:19 PM
The Ducks are hot. PG talking trash already.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:20 PM
Oregon scouted us well.

EutawStUtesFan
03-15-2013, 10:21 PM
I can't believe we scored 20pts in 5 minutes last night in OT. Dubois, Loveridge and Washburn a combined 1-10

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:21 PM
Well. That was ugly.

:bomb:

UtahDan
03-15-2013, 10:21 PM
Not easy to imagine the second half being worse....

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:22 PM
3rd game in 3 nights catching up with us? We look tired. Physically and mentally.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:23 PM
Wow. We didn't get a single offensive rebound in the first half.

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-15-2013, 10:23 PM
Good half, Krysko is going to make some adjustments. Loyd getting sloppy at the end is frustrating, hopefully those two wasted fouls in the last minute of the game don't hurt in the second.

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:23 PM
Not easy to imagine the second half being worse....

Noooooo!


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LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:26 PM
I guess Oregon saw something when they scouted us and decided that if on D, they were on us like gloves, we'd be flustered and our patient, eat-the-clock offense would be disrupted. It's worked like a charm.

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:28 PM
I guess Oregon saw something when they scouted us and decided that if on D, they were on us like gloves, we'd be flustered and our patient, eat-the-clock offense would be disrupted. It's worked like a charm.

I don't think they're doing anything special. They are just doing a great job of pressuring the ball and playing the ball screen. The Utes may need to run some set plays to get them on their heels. Their quickness and length are bothering us. Even when we have good shots, we're shooting somewhat tentatively and the shots aren't falling.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:33 PM
I don't think they're doing anything special. They are just doing a great job of pressuring the ball and playing the ball screen. The Utes may need to run some set plays to get them on their heels. Their quickness and length are bothering us. Even when we have good shots, we're shooting somewhat tentatively and the shots aren't falling.

I don't remember but it seems that last Saturday on D, Oregon wasn't picking up the guards at 3/4 court and Washburn (Washburn!) at half court.

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:33 PM
So I've decided that my live blogging here is blowing our karma. I'm going to watch the end of the game in our bedroom just like last night.

Hey, I do anything I can for my Utes. ;)

U-Ute
03-15-2013, 10:34 PM
I don't remember but it seems that last Saturday on D, Oregon wasn't picking up the guards at 3/4 court and Washburn (Washburn!) at half court.

They pressured us at the first, but we got a few dunks and they gave up on it.

UBlender
03-15-2013, 10:38 PM
My thought process is that Taylor has been solid, but JD is bound to cool off at some point so someone else will need to pick up a little slack. I just hope that in cooling off JD could still go for 12-15 points and not totally go ice cold and then Taylor can step up and make up the difference.

Well, crap. I knew our big three wouldn't be able to continue to carry us, but I didn't envision them all being completely awful (combined for three points in the first half).

This is quite the wake up call. We are improving, but we flat out need more/better players to really compete with the top of the conference on a regular basis.

DrumNFeather
03-15-2013, 10:41 PM
Good job attacking here to start the second half, three fouls already on Oregon...we might need those to stack up here in the second half. Still, we're allowing their defense to dictate too much. Also, their center travels. A lot.

Redbird
03-15-2013, 10:42 PM
Oregon is a good team. I think they beat UCLA sans Adams.

DrumNFeather
03-15-2013, 10:45 PM
Good job attacking here to start the second half, three fouls already on Oregon...we might need those to stack up here in the second half. Still, we're allowing their defense to dictate too much. Also, their center travels. A lot.


Yeah, nevermind.

Jarid in Cedar
03-15-2013, 10:48 PM
One step forward, two steps back. The offense is generating better shots this half, but every open shot has been very short and very flat. Legs are an issue, but that isn't everything. Oregon is just ripping out our heart.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:53 PM
We could stop giving them open looks on threes.

DrumNFeather
03-15-2013, 10:53 PM
"Are you old enough to remember the game Jordan Loveridge had last night?"

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 10:57 PM
Well, crap. I knew our big three wouldn't be able to continue to carry us, but I didn't envision them all being completely awful (combined for three points in the first half).

Yep, no way to see that one coming.

Redbird
03-15-2013, 11:05 PM
Dean with a nice steal, and he cuts the lead to 8!

Jarid in Cedar
03-15-2013, 11:05 PM
Maybe????

DrumNFeather
03-15-2013, 11:06 PM
Singler...his brother was a putz too.

Redbird
03-15-2013, 11:08 PM
Goddamnit! Rebound!

DrumNFeather
03-15-2013, 11:09 PM
We're gonna need to pull our heads out a little more if we want this to be a game down the stretch.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 11:10 PM
Well, we gave them three shots that time. Or was it four?

Jarid in Cedar
03-15-2013, 11:11 PM
Goddamnit! Rebound!

Was that 5 or 6 we just gave up? 4 in our hand

DrumNFeather
03-15-2013, 11:12 PM
Was that 5 or 6 we just gave up? 4 in our hand

Followed up by an ally oop to nobody in particular and Washburn tripping over the imaginary line.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 11:13 PM
Dean's better than that. What a goofy pass.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 11:14 PM
I don't think it's happening tonight unless a light miraculously goes on inside several Ute heads.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 11:16 PM
Boy, our rebounding sucks tonight.

DrumNFeather
03-15-2013, 11:17 PM
Dean's better than that. What a goofy pass.

Dean has had a horrible game.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 11:20 PM
Dean has had a horrible game.

Which would be OK if DuBois hadn't also. Not a point yet for J.D.

Jarid in Cedar
03-15-2013, 11:20 PM
Dubois goes to his right hand, he would have had the lay up and one. But, instead, a charge

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 11:22 PM
Jungle ball now.

DrumNFeather
03-15-2013, 11:22 PM
The last 2-3 minutes for both teams could've used some circus music as a soundtrack.

DrumNFeather
03-15-2013, 11:32 PM
Can't believe Dubois has been completely shut out here.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 11:32 PM
Maybe we can lose by less than 15 if we get hot.

I'd like to see DuBois not get shut out.

Jarid in Cedar
03-15-2013, 11:33 PM
This game looked alot like Berkley

SeattleUte
03-15-2013, 11:34 PM
This is why I wanted to play Washington. Oregon was well prepared for us. They defensed us really well. Altman has great x and os. I can hear his pregame speech -- we're better, haul ass on defense and maybe we can shut them out. We could have beaten the Huskies.

Larry looked dashing in front of the whiteboard on that taped segment they showed at halftime.

I'm convinced Dakari's a keeper.

DrumNFeather
03-15-2013, 11:35 PM
Well...it was fun while it lasted. I think we got a pretty good view of what this team can be if Taylor, Olsen, Loveridge and Tucker continue to improve, and if K can bring in some talent around them and build some depth. On night three of this tournament, I think we ran out of gas and our depth deficiencies really showed. We also failed to make adjustments to their defense early on...perhaps those changes are easier to implement with a more experienced team.

LA Ute
03-15-2013, 11:37 PM
It shouldn't have been that bad. But anyway, some very positive things in this year's season, especially the last set of games. We should be better next year, maybe a lot better.

SoCalPat
03-15-2013, 11:48 PM
Game thoughts ...

That sequence in which we gave up five offensive rebounds and Singler ended up with the and-1 was a killer. And while I appreciate five guys going to the defensive glass, Dean's gotta be smarter. On the final miss, he knocked Olsen off a clean rebound attempt with the ball going right to Singler. On the playground, Olsen tells Dean to get the fuck outta the way. Trees reach for the sky and plants know their role.

As good as Dubois was the last two nights, tonight was Exhibit A why his departure is the least of our concerns. His inconsistency, while spectacular on the good end, makes him invisible on nights like these. He is also one of the worst players I've ever seen in the open floor.

Every Pac-12 coach in the league will let Loveridge do whatever he wants from 15 to 5 feet in next year. He simply cannot finish at the rim or in close.

I think Tucker is poised for a huge boost in minutes next year, maybe more than anyone on the bench. He's a capable scorer, has a great motor and just has that sixth sense about him with regard to decision making. If Larry insists on playing JL at the 4, I could see Tucker being our starting 3 next year.

All in all, this was a great tournament despite how badly it ended. The first two games showed us what we can be like. Tonight's game showed how far we have left to go. As long as people don't get that balance out of whack and think the first two games are the lock indicator of what we'll be, we can improve nicely next year.

Jarid in Cedar
03-16-2013, 12:08 AM
Agree on Dubois. Feast or famine. There isn't much in between with him. We have some holes to fill, but Tucker played very well over the last half of conference. Taylor is a bright spot. He would be killer as a sixth man. Olsen needs to step up. Wright needs to be as advertised. And bachynski needs to give us 15-20 minutes a night.

The biggest thing we have going for us going into next season is some continuity. Guys will be more comfortable with each other, more trusting. They will all have at least a full season under their belt under Larry. They will know what to expect and can help groom the newcomers.

You will always have key guys to replace, and holes to fill. But having a core of 5-7 guys who are known commodities returning every season is how you can build a program.

I am curious to see if everyone returns, and if not, who else they bring in. We need some athletic size. Even if they simply play defense and rebound.

Solon
03-16-2013, 12:32 AM
What a fun tourney. The Utes had a good run, but they just ran out of gas.
15-50 from the field. 17 turnovers. Ouch.
I'm not a basketball coach, but Loveridge needs to start boxing out. He was resting quite a bit on defense tonight.

The first game was absolutely electric. Maybe it was the booze, or just all the young college kids on spring break, but it was a very rowdy arena for a neutral site game. Hard to believe AZ lost that lead, but UCLA just wouldn't go away.

I found UCLA fans to be much nicer than AZ fans.

SeattleUte
03-16-2013, 08:12 AM
I hope Dotson heals up and has two years left. He's just the kind of player we need.

U-Ute
03-16-2013, 09:00 AM
I'm convinced Dakari's a keeper.

He has amazing athletecism and his 3 point shot has been consistent lately. He has a long way to go defensively though. He is probably used to being more athletic than anyone he guards.

U-Ute
03-16-2013, 09:01 AM
I hope Dotson heals up and has two years left. He's just the kind of player we need.

I don't know much about him. It seemed like he was just starting to get his feet under him when he got injured again. It is worrisome that he seems to be injury prone.

OrangeUte
03-16-2013, 09:14 AM
This was an exciting tournament run for the Utes. After years of middling and downright poor performances, I think the fan base was waked up and that old interest was rekindled. It's also a momentum springboard into the recruiting and offseason. Hopefully most/all of these kids come back next year. That would be optimal and I believe there is a very good chance that we retain this team and add good players to it next year who can be welcomed into an existing team environment.

Rocker Ute
03-16-2013, 09:30 AM
Ducks defense had obviously scouted to jump every Utah pass and it was pretty effective. They played with revenge in mind against a team on its third game in three days included one that went into OT. When our shots were clanking off the front of the rim I knew we didn't have the energy to sustain the better shooting we'd enjoyed the last 4 games.

The Ducks ability to get offensive rebounds and respond to every run tied with fatigue got us what it did. Mostly, I blame myself because I had to DVR the last 4 games and they won, I sat down and watched this and they lost. Sorry guys.

But this little run is potentially a course changer for the Utes. The guys have confidence they can play anyone, the coach can point to it and recruit any one, and there was even some exposure through the media of what they did. Hey Brekkot Chapman, come do something special at Utah with a guy who knows how to get you into the pros.

HuskyFreeNorthwest
03-16-2013, 09:48 AM
I'm really happy that the Ducks finally seem to be playing well again. Last night seemed like a game that Oregon wanted to make up for how badly you out played us last Saturday.

LA Ute
03-16-2013, 09:51 AM
I'm really happy that the Ducks finally seem to be playing well again. Last night seemed like a game that Oregon wanted to make up for how badly you out played us last Saturday.

It sure looked that way. Congratulations. Now go beat the Bruins.

LA Ute
03-16-2013, 09:52 AM
I don't know much about him. It seemed like he was just starting to get his feet under him when he got injured again. It is worrisome that he seems to be injury prone.

Did our tournament run give us enough games in our season for him to qualify for a medical redshirt?

LA Ute
03-16-2013, 11:54 AM
This was an exciting tournament run for the Utes. After years of middling and downright poor performances, I think the fan base was waked up and that old interest was rekindled. It's also a momentum springboard into the recruiting and offseason. Hopefully most/all of these kids come back next year. That would be optimal and I believe there is a very good chance that we retain this team and add good players to it next year who can be welcomed into an existing team environment.

My son and I were talking this morning about one of the best things to come out of this year's success: We Utah fans can legitimately feel like we belong in this conference. It hasn't felt that way until now.

U-Ute
03-16-2013, 12:05 PM
Did our tournament run give us enough games in our season for him to qualify for a medical redshirt?

I don't know. I know it depends on how many games they played in. I've heard 25% and 30%. A quick Google search yielded this which says 20%. I don't know how accurate or current this information is. Maybe someone can clarify with someone they know at the U (hint hint).

Link (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tam/genrel/auto_pdf/comp101-2-medical-hardships.pdf)



A medical hardship is a form of relief that a university’s student-athlete will receive after a university’s application tothe conference only if:

•the student-athlete’s injury or illness was incapacitating;

•the student-athlete’s incapacitating injury or illness occurred during the first half of the season and before competition in more then two contests or 20% of the season’s scheduled contests (whichever is greater); and

•the injury or illness is supported by contemporaneous medical documentation.

If 20% of a season is a fraction (2.4), the fraction is rounded up to the next whole number. If successful, the effect of the medical hardship is that the student-athlete’s participation does not result in the use of a season of competition; nevertheless, the year that has passed does count against the student-athlete’s five-year clock.


EDIT: I found another link (http://[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]http://www.collegeathletictrainer.org/newsletter/article.php?article=2)[FONT=arial][SIZE=3] that seems to corroborate the above one:


The medical hardship waiver can be requested to the appropriate conference or to the NCAA if the institution is an independent. The following situation must be met per NCAA rules: a) the incapacitating injury or illness occurs either during the senior year of high school or during one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition, b) the injury or illness occurs prior to the first half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA Championship in that sport, and c) the student-athlete has not participated in more than two contests or 20% of the scheduled contests (whichever is greater).

SeattleUte
03-16-2013, 12:46 PM
Per Wikipedia:


A special case involves the eligibility of a player who loses the majority of a season to injury. Popularly known as a medical redshirt, a hardship waiver may be granted an athlete who appears in fewer than 30% of his or her team's competitions (with none coming after the midway point of the season), then suffers a season-ending injury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(college_sports)

This is consistent with what Tony Jones says.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/utes/55664526-89/dotson-season-utah-game.html.csp

Jones wrote that Utah had to win one game in the Pac 12 tournament for Dotson to potentially qualify.

SeattleUte
03-16-2013, 12:48 PM
I don't know much about him. It seemed like he was just starting to get his feet under him when he got injured again. It is worrisome that he seems to be injury prone.

He was not fragile at LSU.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/45886/year/2011/aaron-dotson

Actually, he had two somewhat picayune injuries this season. Nothing really major, unless that stress fracture in his foot recurs.

SeattleUte
03-16-2013, 12:53 PM
When Trent Johnson recruited him to LSU in 2009, he was ranked 45th in the nation.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/42844/aaron-dotson