Him or Him? Ute Football Edition!

[UtahsMrSports]

With the season right around the corner, but still too far away, I wanted to start this game to get some good discussion going and kill some time.

Here is how it works:

I begin by proposing two players. The two players can be anyone. Current player vs Current player. Current vs former, former v former, coach v coach, etc. etc. The more creative the better. The next person to reply quotes me and gives their choice. You can explain your reasoning if you wnat, but not required.

You then leave two players for the next person to choose between. On and on and on.

If you take exception to someones choice, feel free to discuss why!

I'll get us started so you can see how it works.

Jordan Wynn or Terrance Cain?

[UtahsMrSports]

With the season right around the corner, but still too far away, I wanted to start this game to get some good discussion going and kill some time.

Here is how it works:

I begin by proposing two players. The two players can be anyone. Current player vs Current player. Current vs former, former v former, coach v coach, etc. etc. The more creative the better. The next person to reply quotes me and gives their choice. You can explain your reasoning if you wnat, but not required.

You then leave two players for the next person to choose between. On and on and on.

If you take exception to someones choice, feel free to discuss why!

I'll get us started so you can see how it works.

Jordan Wynn or Terrance Cain?

Wynn.

Chris Kemoeautu or Zane Beadles?

[Utah]

Wynn.

Chris Kemoeautu or Zane Beadles?

Kemoeautu - bad ass name for a lineman

Smith vs Dyson
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[UtahsMrSports]

Kemoeautu - bad ass name for a lineman

Smith vs Dyson
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Thats tough. Two guys who I watched as I fell in love with Ute football. Ill go with steve-on!

Paris Warren or Steve Savoy?

[TheMightyAlaskanUte]

Thats tough. Two guys who I watched as I fell in love with Ute football. Ill go with steve-on!

Paris Warren or Steve Savoy?

Paris Warren. Steve was more talented but as we saw with his decision to bolt after his sophmore year he lacked a little upstairs.


John White or Mike Anderson?

[Damage U]

Anderson.

Mike Anderson or Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala?

[UBlender]

Anderson.

Mike Anderson or Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala?

Chris....but I have a personal bias as I missed the two Mike Anderson seasons. Fu was a blast to watch with the way he would just drag LBs downfield.

Luther Elliss or Star Lotulelei?

[UtahsMrSports]

Chris....but I have a personal bias as I missed the two Mike Anderson seasons. Fu was a blast to watch with the way he would just drag LBs downfield.

Luther Elliss or Star Lotulelei?

Very tough. Ill go with Luther Lotulelei. LOL!

Brian Johnson or Scott Mitchell?

[Jarid in Cedar]

Very tough. Ill go with Luther Lotulelei. LOL!

Brian Johnson or Scott Mitchell?

You can't cheat at your own game.

Luther Ellis, and Brian Johnson.

Anthony Davis or Sylvester Stevenson?

[TheMightyAlaskanUte]

You can't cheat at your own game.

Luther Ellis, and Brian Johnson.

Anthony Davis or Sylvester Stevenson?

Ill take Stevenson Sylvester over either Davis or Sylvester Stevenson.

Kyle Whittingham or Urban Meyer?

[wally]

Ill take Stevenson Sylvester over either Davis or Sylvester Stevenson.

Kyle Whittingham or Urban Meyer?

As a fan who wants to be entertained and win: UM, even with the baggage.

Morgan Scalley or Kalani Sitake (I already have my fav here)

[UtahsMrSports]

As a fan who wants to be entertained and win: UM, even with the baggage.

Morgan Scalley or Kalani Sitake (I already have my fav here)

Scalley. I like Sitake, but Scalley is a Ute through and through.

Mike Wright or Joe Jiannoni?

[U-Ute]

Scalley. I like Sitake, but Scalley is a Ute through and through.

Mike Wright or Joe Jiannoni?

Jiannoni. Love the attitude

Reggie Dunn or Errol Tucker?

[LA Ute]

Jiannoni. Love the attitude

Reggie Dunn or Errol Tucker?

Errol Tucker. He was amazing, and did it with lower-caliber athletes blocking for him.

Marv Bateman or Louie Sakoda? (Yeah, I know one's a punter and one's a place kicker, but each is clearly #1 in hos own specialty, so....)

[wally]

Scalley. I like Sitake, but Scalley is a Ute through and through.

Mike Wright or Joe Jiannoni?

correct.

[sancho]

Luther Elliss or Star Lotulelei?

Luther Elliss is the correct answer whenever his name comes up.

[UtahsMrSports]

Errol Tucker. He was amazing, and did it with lower-caliber athletes blocking for him.

Marv Bateman or Louie Sakoda? (Yeah, I know one's a punter and one's a place kicker, but each is clearly #1 in hos own specialty, so....)

Hard for me to take Bateman when I never saw him, so ill take "Louie, Louie! Sakoda!" (immortal words of mike lagashulte).

Max Hall in 2008 or Jake Heaps in 2011 (who was more helpful to us?)

[Jarid in Cedar]

Hard for me to take Bateman when I never saw him, so ill take "Louie, Louie! Sakoda!" (immortal words of mike lagashulte).

Max Hall in 2008 or Jake Heaps in 2011 (who was more helpful to us?)

Max.

Arnold Parker or Brice McCain

[DrumNFeather]

Max.

Arnold Parker or Brice McCain

Parker, though McCain has had a solid pro career.

J.D. Jorgensen or Ben Moa?

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[SoCalPat]

Errol Tucker. He was amazing, and did it with lower-caliber athletes blocking for him.

Marv Bateman or Louie Sakoda? (Yeah, I know one's a punter and one's a place kicker, but each is clearly #1 in hos own specialty, so....)

Seconded on Tucker. He was an all-conference caliber DB. Dunn as a WR was nowhere near Errol's equivalent.

Bateman could placekick off a tee, so my vote at kicker is for Sakoda. But Bateman punted for nearly a decade in the NFL, several with my Bills. So I'm splitting the vote there.

For the old-schoolers here: Manny Fernandez vs. Dave Costa?

[Jarid in Cedar]

Parker, though McCain has had a solid pro career.

J.D. Jorgensen or Ben Moa?

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Please, anyone from Helper knows the right answer here.

Juan Johnson or Marty Johnson?

[SoCalPat]

Please, anyone from Helper knows the right answer here.

Juan Johnson or Marty Johnson?

To hell with Helper. J.D. couldn't keep Jan from attending BYU. And Moa's games against AFA and Wyoming in 2003 were beyond epic. We haven't had a TE since Moa that was in his league, although Murphy could be that guy this year with a strong season.

As for the RBs, I'll take Marty pre-blown knee, Juan for consistency and reliability.

[Jarid in Cedar]

To hell with Helper. J.D. couldn't keep Jan from attending BYU. And Moa's games against AFA and Wyoming in 2003 were beyond epic. We haven't had a TE since Moa that was in his league, although Murphy could be that guy this year with a strong season.

As for the RBs, I'll take Marty pre-blown knee, Juan for consistency and reliability.

Gotta stick with blood. That Jan's dad allowed it is even more amazing.

I go with Juan as I view this exercise as viewing the whole career. But, if Marty didn't get hurt, he could have been the best ever at the U.

Mike Fouts or Frank Dolce?

[SoCalPat]

Gotta stick with blood. That Jan's dad allowed it is even more amazing.

I go with Juan as I view this exercise as viewing the whole career. But, if Marty didn't get hurt, he could have been the best ever at the U.

Mike Fouts or Frank Dolce?

Fouts. Saved the 1995 season, delivered more in 1996 than Dolce ever did in spite of D-line that was decimated at season's end.

Travis LaTendresse vs. Bradon Godfrey?

[Jarid in Cedar]

Fouts. Saved the 1995 season, delivered more in 1996 than Dolce ever did in spite of D-line that was decimated at season's end.

Travis LaTendresse vs. Bradon Godfrey?

Agree on Fouts. Offense wasn't the problem in 96(how often have we been able to say that?)

LaTendresse gets my vote for most under appreciated wideout of the last decade.

This one probably deserves its own thread....

Koa Misi or Paul Kruger?

[Jeromy in SLC]

Agree on Fouts. Offense wasn't the problem in 96(how often have we been able to say that?)

LaTendresse gets my vote for most under appreciated wideout of the last decade.

This one probably deserves its own thread....

Koa Misi or Paul Kruger?

Misi. He played three years, at three different positions, and excelled at all three.

Morgan Scalley or Dave Revill?

[Jarid in Cedar]

Misi. He played three years, at three different positions, and excelled at all three.

Morgan Scalley or Dave Revill?

Agree on Misi.

Scalley. In addition to his play on the field, he was unquestionably the leader and heart of the 2004 team.


Robert Johnson or Sean Smith?(different positions, I know)

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Misi. He played three years, at three different positions, and excelled at all three.

Morgan Scalley or Dave Revill?

I think Scalley is a no brainer. Not just his role as a player but how portably he's been to the program as a recruiter and position coach. But then again, I don't know if that's against the rules or not.

[SoCalPat]

Agree on Misi.

Scalley. In addition to his play on the field, he was unquestionably the leader and heart of the 2004 team.


Robert Johnson or Sean Smith?(different positions, I know)

Smith, for his swagger. Two picks in his first start ever. Both had big-play capability not far from Eric Weddle.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Smith, for his swagger. Two picks in his first start ever. Both had big-play capability not far from Eric Weddle.

And I would go with Johnson. He made the entire secondary better, plus he almost single handedly win the Ucla game in 07 and the csu game in 09.

[SoCalPat]

And I would go with Johnson. He made the entire secondary better, plus he almost single handedly win the Ucla game in 07 and the csu game in 09.

I cannot disagree at all with this.

[UTEopia]

Jiannoni. Love the attitude

Reggie Dunn or Errol Tucker?

Errol Tucker.

Errol Tucker or Steve Odum

[OrangeUte]

Errol Tucker.

Errol Tucker or Steve Odum

For me it is still Errol Tucker.

Popcorn Rogers or Reggie Dunn?

[UTEopia]

For me it is still Errol Tucker.

Popcorn Rogers or Reggie Dunn?

To me, those are apples and oranges. I would ask Popcorn Rogers or Eddie Johnson?

[OrangeUte]

To me, those are apples and oranges. I would ask Popcorn Rogers or Eddie Johnson?

Both were return specialists. On that ground alone.

[UtahsMrSports]

Both were return specialists. On that ground alone.


Reggie Dunn.

Joe Kruger or dave kruger?

[OrangeUte]

Reggie Dunn.

Joe Kruger or dave kruger?

I take Dave Kruger only because he played 4 years and didn't leave early for fame and fortune. Tough call, though.

Paul Kruger or Martail Burnett?

[Mano]

I take Dave Kruger only because he played 4 years and didn't leave early for fame and fortune. Tough call, though.

Paul Kruger or Martail Burnett?



Paul Kruger.

Luther Eliss or Eric Weddle?

[UtahsMrSports]

Paul Kruger.

Luther Eliss or Eric Weddle?

Luther!

Jordan Wynn or Jonathan Crosswhite?

[Jeromy in SLC]

Luther!

Jordan Wynn or Jonathan Crosswhite?

Jordan, and it isn't even close.

Joe Dale or Arnold Parker?

[Jarid in Cedar]

Jordan, and it isn't even close.

Joe Dale or Arnold Parker?

Parker, and it isn't even close.

Joe Jiannoni or Phil Glover

[Hot Lunch]

Parker, and it isn't even close.

Joe Jiannoni or Phil Glover

Totally agree with you on Parker.

Phil Glover. Phil had all the talent in the world but had a hard time understanding the D. He made up for it.

Andre Dyson or Sean Smith?

[UtahsMrSports]

Totally agree with you on Parker.

Phil Glover. Phil had all the talent in the world but had a hard time understanding the D. He made up for it.

Andre Dyson or Sean Smith?

Andre

Kyle Whittingham or Ron McBride?

[Crimsonute]

Andre

Kyle Whittingham or Ron McBride?Oh wow. Chicken or the Egg? I'd go Kyle. He's got two BCS trophies with him as HC.

Keith Williams or Juan Johnson

[wally]

I think Scalley is a no brainer. Not just his role as a player but how portably he's been to the program as a recruiter and position coach. But then again, I don't know if that's against the rules or not.

Scalley is a Utah man through and through. I would love to see him as H.C. some day.

[LA Ute]

Jeromy in SLC or Jarid in Cedar?

[Jeromy in SLC]

Jeromy in SLC or Jarid in Cedar?

If you are talking forums, got to go with JIC. I don't have the time or energy to run something like UB5. If you are going for dashing good looks, the choice is obviously JinSLC.

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[Scorcho]

Wild Bill Marcroft, Bill Riley or Matt Thomas?

.... Sorry, I realize that's a him, him or him and probably violates the rules

[LA Ute]

Wild Bill Marcroft, Bill Riley or Matt Thomas?

.... Sorry, I realize that's a him, him or him and probably violates the rules

Tough call. I really love Marcroft because he is a Utah man through and through, even a Utah grad. But Riley is a more knowledgeable and professional sports guy. It goes to Riley, 50.1% to 49.9%.

[Senioritis]

Wild Bill Marcroft, Bill Riley or Matt Thomas?

.... Sorry, I realize that's a him, him or him and probably violates the rules

Not a tough call at all. Bill Riley.

Not only does he have tremendous glutes, he keeps them covered up when he's relieving himself at a urinal in a public restroom.

Golden Whetman, or Golden Whetman's Helmet?

[LA Ute]

Not a tough call at all. Bill Riley.

Not only does he have tremendous glutes, he keeps them covered up when he's relieving himself at a urinal in a public restroom.

Golden Whetman, or Golden Whetman's Helmet?

I knew that you would not let me down. Some mental images never go away, no matter how much find bleach is used. Thank you.

Lance Rice or Darnell Arceneaux?

[Hot Lunch]

I knew that you would not let me down. Some mental images never go away, no matter how much find bleach is used. Thank you.

Lance Rice or Darnell Arceneaux?


Darnell and this isn't even close. Darnell's talent came before they should have. He played pre-spread offense. Darnell, had he stayed healthy, would have been a great spread O quarterback.

Steve Fifita or Paul Soliai

[SoCalPat]

Darnell and this isn't even close. Darnell's talent came before they should have. He played pre-spread offense. Darnell, had he stayed healthy, would have been a great spread O quarterback.

Steve Fifita or Paul Soliai

People forget how big of a get Darnell was. I feel safe in saying his distinction of leading Utah to a win at BYU as a true freshman will never be equalled (although Jordan came close in 2009).

Fifi vs. Soli is as tough a comparison as I've seen in this thread. No one can deny Fifi's productivity, leadership and total bitch-slap of that BYU LB on his 5-yard touchdown run to cap the 2004 Holy War. But he had issues with leverage and if he got out of position for even a split second, could be dominated in the run game.

Soli totally flamed out at O-line, even though he was the biggest get, star-wise, of the Urban era, before he was rescued on the D-line and paired up with Kelly Talavou to form the Thing 1 and Thing 2 front four. Even then, Talavou had better production and Soli was booted from the team for his final game (the 2006 Armed Forces Bowl), for, as rumor has it, totally beating the shit out of Pauli Latu. But his production as a pro is undeniable, and his gift toward the new football facility is Exhibit A that there are certainly no hard feelings regarding how he left Utah.

Fifi was the better pass-rusher, but Soli might have eaten up and commanded more double-teams than any interior lineman ever at Utah. If I could have three years of the 2006 Soli, I think it's pretty clear. Since we didn't, it's not.

[LA Ute]

Darnell and this isn't even close. Darnell's talent came before they should have. He played pre-spread offense. Darnell, had he stayed healthy, would have been a great spread O quarterback.

Putting Lance and Darnell together was kind of a joke on my part. I do recall how exciting Darnell was.

I'll now put up Lance and Golden Whetman. Which mistake was more bone-headed, Golden losing his helmet or Lance running out the clock against Air Force? I vote for the latter.

[mpfunk]

Darnell and this isn't even close. Darnell's talent came before they should have. He played pre-spread offense. Darnell, had he stayed healthy, would have been a great spread O quarterback.

Steve Fifita or Paul Soliai

We have had some bad QBs over the years, but Rice is easily the worst. Darnell was a good QB that had a bad system and bad luck. Dyson, Smith, or Darnell would have been amazing in a spread option attack.

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[Hot Lunch]

People forget how big of a get Darnell was. I feel safe in saying his distinction of leading Utah to a win at BYU as a true freshman will never be equalled (although Jordan came close in 2009).

Fifi vs. Soli is as tough a comparison as I've seen in this thread. No one can deny Fifi's productivity, leadership and total bitch-slap of that BYU LB on his 5-yard touchdown run to cap the 2004 Holy War. But he had issues with leverage and if he got out of position for even a split second, could be dominated in the run game.

Soli totally flamed out at O-line, even though he was the biggest get, star-wise, of the Urban era, before he was rescued on the D-line and paired up with Kelly Talavou to form the Thing 1 and Thing 2 front four. Even then, Talavou had better production and Soli was booted from the team for his final game (the 2006 Armed Forces Bowl), for, as rumor has it, totally beating the shit out of Pauli Latu. But his production as a pro is undeniable, and his gift toward the new football facility is Exhibit A that there are certainly no hard feelings regarding how he left Utah.

Fifi was the better pass-rusher, but Soli might have eaten up and commanded more double-teams than any interior lineman ever at Utah. If I could have three years of the 2006 Soli, I think it's pretty clear. Since we didn't, it's not.

Darnell was a huge get. Very highly recruited. The only reason Utah even got him was because his head coach at St. Louis was the brother of Tommy Lee the current OC. Darnell turned down about half of the Pac 10 to come play at Utah. I really like Darnell. I feel bad for how it played out for him at Utah. Had he played 10 years later, IMO the kid would have been a star. Darnell was also a good enough basketball player and would have seen time on the court had Majerus let him come out for the team. He told him to focus on football and not waste his time on the hardwood.

Fifi was one of my favorites. I loved watching him play. He was so quick and hard to get a hold of. This gave O Lines fits trying to block the guy. He was like a little battering ram. Give the guy two more inches to his frame and he is still playing on Sunday. He was one of the quickest and most effective 5'10 315 pound men this world has ever seen.

[wally]

People forget how big of a get Darnell was. I feel safe in saying his distinction of leading Utah to a win at BYU as a true freshman will never be equalled (although Jordan came close in 2009).

Fifi vs. Soli is as tough a comparison as I've seen in this thread. No one can deny Fifi's productivity, leadership and total bitch-slap of that BYU LB on his 5-yard touchdown run to cap the 2004 Holy War. But he had issues with leverage and if he got out of position for even a split second, could be dominated in the run game.

Soli totally flamed out at O-line, even though he was the biggest get, star-wise, of the Urban era, before he was rescued on the D-line and paired up with Kelly Talavou to form the Thing 1 and Thing 2 front four. Even then, Talavou had better production and Soli was booted from the team for his final game (the 2006 Armed Forces Bowl), for, as rumor has it, totally beating the shit out of Pauli Latu. But his production as a pro is undeniable, and his gift toward the new football facility is Exhibit A that there are certainly no hard feelings regarding how he left Utah.

Fifi was the better pass-rusher, but Soli might have eaten up and commanded more double-teams than any interior lineman ever at Utah. If I could have three years of the 2006 Soli, I think it's pretty clear. Since we didn't, it's not.


Darnell was a huge get. Very highly recruited. The only reason Utah even got him was because his head coach at St. Louis was the brother of Tommy Lee the current OC. Darnell turned down about half of the Pac 10 to come play at Utah. I really like Darnell. I feel bad for how it played out for him at Utah. Had he played 10 years later, IMO the kid would have been a star. Darnell was also a good enough basketball player and would have seen time on the court had Majerus let him come out for the team. He told him to focus on football and not waste his time on the hardwood.

Fifi was one of my favorites. I loved watching him play. He was so quick and hard to get a hold of. This gave O Lines fits trying to block the guy. He was like a little battering ram. Give the guy two more inches to his frame and he is still playing on Sunday. He was one of the quickest and most effective 5'10 315 pound men this world has ever seen.

Fine, due to my self-identified extensive football IQ, I will jump in here on the backs of others' analysis to break this tie and and go with Fifi, no wait Soli.... nnnnoooo Fifi-Final Answer!

Scott Mitchell or Alex Smith?

[SoCalPat]

Fine, due to my self-identified extensive football IQ, I will jump in here on the backs of others' analysis to break this tie and and go with Fifi, no wait Soli.... nnnnoooo Fifi-Final Answer!

Scott Mitchell or Alex Smith?

I think I'm going to come up with a 10 Commandments of Utah Football. Ranking high among them should be this: Thou Shalt Not Make Comparisons of Any Former Utah Quarterbacking Great to Alex Smith. Smith finished fourth in unquestionably the deepest Heisman field ever (you may have read that defense of Alex in another publication). He's Utah's highest-finishing Heisman finalist and went No. 1 in the draft. I like Scott Mitchell, but the entirety of his career cannot touch Alex Smith's in any way shape or form.

[SoCalPat]

We have had some bad QBs over the years, but Rice is easily the worst. Darnell was a good QB that had a bad system and bad luck. Dyson, Smith, or Darnell would have been amazing in a spread option attack.

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Brandon Jones made Lance Rice look like Y.A. Tittle.

For Entertainment Purposes Only: How many games does Utah win in 2011 with the 2001 Lance Rice as our quarterback?

[Jarid in Cedar]

Brandon Jones made Lance Rice look like Y.A. Tittle.

For Entertainment Purposes Only: How many games does Utah win in 2011 with the 2001 Lance Rice as our quarterback?

How many games did Hays win that no other qb couldn't win. The only win I could think of that Hays was an integral factor was the bowl game. But how many other wins from that season could have been lost by subpar qb play. Pitt, WSU, Arizona come to mind. Rice would have lost 2 of those 3, for a 5-7 finish (and no bowl to win or lose)

[SoCalPat]

How many games did Hays win that no other qb couldn't win. The only win I could think of that Hays was an integral factor was the bowl game. But how many other wins from that season could have been lost by subpar qb play. Pitt, WSU, Arizona come to mind. Rice would have lost 2 of those 3, for a 5-7 finish (and no bowl to win or lose)

I'll never confuse Lance Rice with the upper crust of Utah quarterbacking. But I'm either up in the night on his ability, or some are overstating his ineffectiveness. To me, there's a significant difference between Rice and Hays, or at least the 2001 version of Rice, who really cost us only one game (AFA), and it was a game in which we allowed a team missing 16 starters or reserves to score 38 points on us. If Cliff Russell doesn't fumble into the end zone vs. CSU, and we convert 3rd and 2 late against BYU, Rice is a QB of a 10-win conference championship team. If AFA happens differently at the end, we're a Top 10 team nationally, maybe even Top 5.

So going back to 2011, I think we split the Washington-ASU games. I think we show a lot better vs. Cal. We definitely beat Colorado. I'm saying 9 wins minimum with Hays, bowl included (we likely would've drawn a tougher opponent than Ga. Tech if we beat Colorado).