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It's pretty much the same things that are considered character flaws outside of the flock.

I mean, we all have character flaws, and as mUU pointed out, this guy has been through a lot. I just think this decision doesn't need to be celebrated. It is immensely hurtful to someone who he...

"Another"? Have I missed a bunch of bizarre reactions?

Front page of can?

I agree that it's a good thing. Why does he feel the need to do this publicly? Does he miss the spotlight?

I think it's possible that this could not have happened back when Elizabeth was...

You are in capital city - of course you are more patriotic than me. But I'm the one here campaigning for "This Land Is Your Land" in the LDS hymnbook, so I'm no slouch.

I think you are more trusting in the reasonableness of people and in the logic of law than I am. More trusting in the constitution. The constitutions seems rather flexible to this outsider.

I'm...

Yes, you can, but I imagine few couples will do this. I bet there will also be some sealings that wait until after the honeymoon for logistic reasons.

You're one up on me, then!

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What do you mean?

I probably should have looked at the bill before trying to comment on it. You clearly know more than I do about this. I wonder if the LDS Church is worried about being forced to perform gay weddings...

I'm not sure anything is being taken, but it's not hard to imagine a future where religious freedoms are restricted. I think this is preemptive in that sense. The nondiscrimination part of the bill...

It is embarrassing, but I'm also a little embarrassed for this kid who felt the need to lie about it. Getting in trouble for shaking hands? Come on, kid.

I would bet that most schools require their valedictorian to submit her speech before giving it.

But what of the many parts of the honor code that are not commandments or even general church standards? What about beards?

Can you imagine them going around rescinding degrees from 20 years ago due to honor code violations that occurred years after graduating? It's a crazy place, Provo, but that would be too far even for...

I don't think he has admitted to any behavior that is against the honor code, right?

I question the value of a study of only 600 families in a place as large and diverse as Utah looking for something as nuanced as a likelihood to experience suicidal thoughts. That said, I'm all for...

Go Duke Go!

Oaks is a pretty knowledgeable law-guy, too, though. He may have insights that you don't. And you probably have some that he doesn't share. And you both know a million times more than I do.
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I don't think the message is all that confusing. You yourself recently summed it up. The LDS church supports LGBT rights and LGBT members but asks them to remain celibate. It's been pretty consistent...

Maybe the worry is not that specific. The church seems concerned in general about where things could go with religious freedom issues.

You're the law guy. It's all Greek to me. I just figure that a slippery slope is what the church is worried about. I don't think they care about the cake.

Slippery slope is how law gets done, right?

I don't think they see this as a cake - they see it as a precedent that leads to bishops being forced to perform weddings for gay couples. Maybe the law talkers can weigh in.