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    2013-14 NCAA Men's Basketball Thread

    Games start this week. Here are some highlights, including two good Pac-12 games:

    Friday night:

    Davidson @ Duke. Jabari Parker's debut.
    Maryland vs UConn in Brooklyn - bounceback year for the Huskies?
    Oregon vs Georgetown at Camp Humphries South Korea (is that the camp from World War Z?)
    CU @ Baylor

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Games start this week. Here are some highlights, including two good Pac-12 games:

    Friday night:

    Davidson @ Duke. Jabari Parker's debut.
    Maryland vs UConn in Brooklyn - bounceback year for the Huskies?
    Oregon vs Georgetown at Camp Humphries South Korea (is that the camp from World War Z?)
    CU @ Baylor
    I wonder how many Cougar fans will be watching, and weeping into the Haagen Dasz.

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    ESPN ranks Pac-12 third this season. That's a pretty big and quick improvement over the past few years:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff...147&src=mobile

    3. Pac-12

    The league has been lackluster the past few seasons, but it finally has a team capable of getting to the Final Four in Arizona. Meanwhile, UCLA, Oregon and Colorado are all legitimate Top 25 teams.

    Overall, nine of the conference's 12 teams have a legitimate chance to make the NCAA tourney. California has Mike Montgomery. Johnny Dawkins and Stanford have three players in Dwight Powell, Chasson Randle and Josh Heustis that match up with just about anyone. Arizona State features one of the top point guards in the country in Jahii Carson, and Washington and Oregon State have an outside shot to go dancing. Utah should continue to improve, while Washington State and USC have work to do, and should finish near the bottom of the conference. The conference isn't quite as heavy at the top as the Big Ten or ACC, but it's as deep among its top nine as anyone.

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    I'm also looking forward to USC @ Utah St on Friday. I think the Aggies will take their lumps this year in the MWC (even though the MWC won't be as good as the last few years), but the Spectrum is always a tough place to play. For USC, it will be interesting to see how Enfield's system works at USC. I personally don't think the Trojans have the horses to do it this year (although I'm hearing good things about former Ute-committ Julian Jacobs), but he has a REALLY nice recruiting class coming in next year. I think Enfield could do some real nice things at USC.

    Two surprising outcomes I've heard from "secret scrimmages"... 1. SMU beat Colorado handily, 2. San Fransisco beat ASU.

    I've been going back and forth about these two teams... I think both have the talent to be really good. But Colorado has a brutal non-conf schedule, and if they get off to a bad start it could be trouble for them. Tad Boyle is a good coach though, so I think they'll be alright. I think they'll be a "fringe" top-25 team. ASU though... I love Jahii Carson, and think Bachynski is a force inside. They also get Jermaine Marshall from Penn St who averaged over 15 ppg in the Big 10 last year. However, I think Herb Sendek is a lousy coach and I just have a feeling that ASU will underperform this year. They're my pick to be the "disappointment" in the conference this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    ESPN ranks Pac-12 third this season. That's a pretty big and quick improvement over the past few years:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff...147&src=mobile
    I am baffled by the love that Oregon State has been getting by some folks. An outside shot to go dancing? Hmmmm, maybe ill end up really missing the mark on this but I just don't see them doing anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    I am baffled by the love that Oregon State has been getting by some folks. An outside shot to go dancing? Hmmmm, maybe ill end up really missing the mark on this but I just don't see them doing anything.
    They have five players 6-10 or taller and the best scoring guard in the league in Roberto Nelson. Eric Moreland could have been a late-first, early-second round pick had he declared. With Angus Brandt, who averaged 11 and 9 last year before ripping his ACL, you could make an argument that OSU's top 3 is the best in the league outside of Tucson. They remind me a lot of Cal last year with Alan Crabbe and a front line that was just thick and nasty.

    That said, OSU has had talent before with Jared Cunningham, AJ Starks and Joe Burton and did nothing with it. I really think the problem is with the First Brother-in-Law on the bench.

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    Watching Davidson @ Duke now. Gonna be a fun year for Duke fans like me. Lot to like about this team.

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    Watching former ute shawn Glover (oral rob) vs Tulsa. Utes could have used him last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Watching former ute shawn Glover (oral rob) vs Tulsa. Utes could have used him last year

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    I liked Glover. I was sad he left. We have enough athletes this year that he would not be needed (or eligible), but I think you are right about last year's needs.

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    MSU/KU followed by Kansas/Duke tonight. These are the two best non-conference games of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    MSU/KU followed by Kansas/Duke tonight. These are the two best non-conference games of the year.

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    2013-14 NCAA Men's Basketball Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Wilner with a look at the Pac-12 results so far:

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/college...-wcc-and-more/
    Prepare for a a snicker:

    The Cougars could very well prove to be an NCAA Tournament-caliber team — the same goes for with Utah State — but the Pac-12 cannot afford to lose home games to the West Coast Conference and Mountain West if it hopes to re-establish itself as a top-tier conference.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 11-12-2013 at 06:41 PM.

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    I know it's far too early, but the Pac-12 doesn't look to be all that improved. There are wins out there for the taking!

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    Watching Michigan State-Kentucky right now. Cheering against Kentucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Watching Michigan State-Kentucky right now. Cheering against Kentucky.
    Me too. Also easy to cheer for Tom Izzo. One of the good guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Watching Michigan State-Kentucky right now. Cheering against Kentucky.
    Probably the most redundant thing any Ute fan can say. The mere mention of Kentucky automatically implies you're hoping the story ends in a loss, plane crash or NCAA probation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    Probably the most redundant thing any Ute fan can say. The mere mention of Kentucky automatically implies you're hoping the story ends in a loss, plane crash or NCAA probation.
    There are a lot of reasons to hate Kentucky that have nothing to do with Utah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    There are a lot of reasons to hate Kentucky that have nothing to do with Utah.
    I got to attend the 1998 Finals and really was impressed by the graciousness of North Carolina fans in defeat, and the astonishing gracelessness of the Kentucky fans in victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I got to attend the 1998 Finals and really was impressed by the graciousness of North Carolina fans in defeat, and the astonishing gracelessness of the Kentucky fans in victory.
    I'm not sure "grace" and "Kentucky" have ever been used in the same sentence in a positive manner. Other than maybe "By the grace of God, we got out of Kentucky."

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    I'm not sure "grace" and "Kentucky" have ever been used in the same sentence in a positive manner. Other than maybe "By the grace of God, we got out of Kentucky."
    I'm sure they have...but only because of Whisky

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I know it's far too early, but the Pac-12 doesn't look to be all that improved. There are wins out there for the taking!
    UCI takes down UW. With each Pac-12 bad loss, my hopes get a little higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    UCI takes down UW. With each Pac-12 bad loss, my hopes get a little higher.
    My hopes for wins get higher, but my hopes for meaningful wins get lower. With each loss like this, the bar for the various postseason tournaments inches higher.

    P.S. How bad does Romar suck? Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    My hopes for wins get higher, but my hopes for meaningful wins get lower. With each loss like this, the bar for the various postseason tournaments inches higher.

    P.S. How bad does Romar suck? Wow.
    True. If UCLA, Oregon and Zona are the only shots at meaningful wins, we have to win some of those and then go on volume. I was glad to see Arizona beat SDSU and that turncoat O'Brien last night.

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    UNC loses to Belmont. Always good to see the Heels go down.

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    Jahii Carson goes for a career high 40 and ASU beats UNLV in Vegas. Hope we can get even half of the same production from the other Bachynski.
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    Some interesting games for Pac-12 tonight:

    Arkansas @ Cal
    Marquette @ ASU
    Stanford @ Houtson

    Plus: Minnesota @ Syracuse, Dayton @ Gonzaga

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Some interesting games for Pac-12 tonight:

    Arkansas @ Cal
    Marquette @ ASU
    Stanford @ Houtson

    Plus: Minnesota @ Syracuse, Dayton @ Gonzaga
    Pac-12 won all three. Dayton upset Gonzaga.

    Tonight:

    Cal vs Syracuse, St Louis vs Wisconsin, Pitt vs Stanford, Baylor vs Dayton

    BYU has one of their 5 chances (ISU, WSU, USU, UMass, Oregon) tonight vs a tournament team. They are 0-1 vs tournament teams so far. They have to win 1-2 of these, or it all comes down to Gonzaga again.
    Last edited by sancho; 11-26-2013 at 07:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    BYU has one of their 5 chances (ISU, WSU, USU, UMass, Oregon) tonight vs a tournament team. They are 0-1 vs tournament teams so far. They have to win 1-2 of these, or it all comes down to Gonzaga again.
    Make it 0-2 for BYU in statement games.

    They are in the opposite position of us. We have 2 statement OOC games and a bunch of good games in conference play. BYU has 2 statement games in the WCC (Gonzaga twice) and 5-6 resume games in OOC. Their tournament case is mostly built before New Years.

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    ASU finally loses - blown out by Creighton. There have been a few good Pac-12/BigEast games this year. Time to formalize the Pac-12/BigEast challenge!

    Duke vs Arizona tonight is the next "game of the year."

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