A new book that's pretty good (I have a copy myself):
Laura Harris Hales
A Reason for Faith: Navigating LDS Doctrine and Church History
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/...=UTF8&cursor=3
A new book that's pretty good (I have a copy myself):
Laura Harris Hales
A Reason for Faith: Navigating LDS Doctrine and Church History
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/...=UTF8&cursor=3
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
I deposed this woman once. I will not be reading this book.Originally Posted by LA Ute
Mormons with doubts shouldn't give up faith without 'intellectual and spiritual kicking and screaming'
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...cking-and.html
Pretty interesting set of perspectives. I could have done without some of the speakers' statements, like "'What I have been able to understand is why people stay,' she said. She boiled it down to "character." Ouch. But overall pretty good.
Last edited by LA Ute; 12-04-2016 at 12:16 PM.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
A response to the conference linked in my last post:
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/466097...church-deserve
I think she makes some excellent points and I noticed the same wince-inducing statements she did.
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/466097...church-deserve
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"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Hard to say on this really. For my area there were about 9 people who withdrew their names when the church announced the policy on gays. All but three of them hadn't darkened the door of the church in decades. One of the three who left has come back.
My neighborhood has a number of duplexes and so we have lots of transition with newlyweds couples. Truthfully I've been impressed with how strong in their faith they seem to be.
So my little bit of anecdotal info would indicate that there hasn't been a lot of drop off. Really I think people have been a lot more open about their doubts and people have also been more accepting of them too. There are always turkeys but that is what I've observed.
A woman in my ward gave a wonderful talk on Sunday about respect for other beliefs and non-beliefs. She talked about her son who stopped going and the sting but also talked about her conversion from Catholicism and her respect for that and the sting her parents must have felt too. It was a very nice "big tent" approach.
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THat's been my sense too, FWIW. Overall I think there's a healthy willingness -- both on the church leadership's side and that of those with doubts -- to openly admit and discuss doubts and faith crises.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Here's an example I was thinking about when i wrote the above. Not too long ago a publication catering to the mainstream LDS population would never have published something like this:
https://www.facebook.com/LDSLiving/v...3509466670830/
Last edited by LA Ute; 08-31-2017 at 12:46 PM.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Add this to the Church's recent enthusiastic endorsement for the 'Love Loud' festival and their statement condemning Ayla the Purposeful Wife and her ilk, and a person has to acknowledge that the church is trying to take steps toward being more inclusive.
I dont understand the Nov 2015 policy and hope that one day its removed or significantly altered, but I do think they are trying. And I think that is a great thing.
Last edited by LA Ute; 08-31-2017 at 12:46 PM.
https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45621556&ni...mp-in-pet-food
We have a Corgi/Healer with anxiety issues, and once again the State of Utah is stepping in to save us from ourselves.
Jeez. Just legalize it already.
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"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
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