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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    A Bishop is not only the spiritual leader representative of a geographic area called a Ward, but he is also, legally speaking, the representative of the church in that area. They don't only lay hands upon the individuals head, set him apart and pronounce a blessing, and then it is over. Once that part of the 'calling' is done and the handshakes and hugs are over, the Bishop sits down and signs a bunch of legal documents.

    I have a close friend who was recently called as Bishop. A short while later I asked him jokingly: "how did you like the part where you signed your life away, in blood."

    By law, especially where I live, individuals in a position such as the Bishop of a Ward can be criminally charged by authorities if they do not report abuse when told to them by a congregant. That's where the article gets this whole situation wrong. Privacy is paramount. The type of transparency the article is calling for could violate attorney client privilege, if the conversation between the Bishop and lawyer is privileged. It also could obliterate many other individuals privacy. So who better to have the conversation with than with a lawyer?

    There are two privileged relationships here. Bishop - Member and Bishop - Attorney. If the Bishop violates the privilege that exists between him and the member in discussions with an attorney, it could later bar that attorney from representing the Bishop and the Church. Have the conversation with a lawyer. No problem. Just not the lawyer who might be asked to represent Bishop or the Church. The Church has in-house lawyers coming out the ears, funnel these calls to one of those.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    There are two privileged relationships here. Bishop - Member and Bishop - Attorney. If the Bishop violates the privilege that exists between him and the member in discussions with an attorney, it could later bar that attorney from representing the Bishop and the Church. Have the conversation with a lawyer. No problem. Just not the lawyer who might be asked to represent Bishop or the Church. The Church has in-house lawyers coming out the ears, funnel these calls to one of those.
    Where I live, by law, there is no presumption of privilege between a Bishop and congregant. Thus, there is no violation in the first place. I am also a post-secondary teacher. There is also no presumption of privilege between myself and a student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    That's only one of the documents I signed. You also sign it when you are called as a counsellor, or as a clerk. I signed a few other documents as well that I never signed as a counsellor or clerk. That's the plain and simple truth.
    I this this must be something for Canadia. I've been a counselor and a clerk -- very recently -- in California and all I had to sign were the bank signature cards.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I this this must be something for Canadia. I've been a counselor and a clerk -- very recently -- in California and all I had to sign were the bank signature cards.
    It was more than twenty years ago. I was young, but I distinctly remember thinking yikes. Now, a few years prior to me being called, a Bishop of a different Ward embezzled money from the church and ended up going to jail. So, maybe that had some bearing on what was going on at the time. Also a lot has changed since then. At that time the hotline was relatively new.
    Last edited by tooblue; 05-03-2019 at 05:07 PM.

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    From the Guardian:

    Salt Lake City offers glimpse of socialism, Mormon-style

    https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...mon-style-utah

    Although the writer’s application of the term “socialism“ is simply wrong, it’s an interesting article.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    From the Guardian:

    Salt Lake City offers glimpse of socialism, Mormon-style

    https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...mon-style-utah

    Although the writer’s application of the term “socialism“ is simply wrong, it’s an interesting article.
    I posted this on our Discord site, but you never came

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I posted this on our Discord site, but you never came
    Sorry! I was too busy trying to get this site working! How do I get to Discord?

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    This series of tweets provides another J.D. Williams moment.

    https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/s...598668291?s=21

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

  9. #129
    The LDS Church announced the start of its new youth program. They will discontinue most the EFY program at BYU and will instead rebrand stake youth conferences as EFY-type experiences. Great change, in my opinion. Too many families/kids were starting to believe EFY was an essential experience. Now if they just discontinue trek and BYU, they'll really be on to something.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I this this must be something for Canadia. I've been a counselor and a clerk -- very recently -- in California and all I had to sign were the bank signature cards.
    Stakes were asked to cancel youth conferences AND treks they may have had scheduled in conflict of these new FSY conferences. If they are every other year I really don't see how they will be able to hold trek anymore unless they take a slot for ward youth activities - which I think would be a mistake.


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  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    Stakes were asked to cancel youth conferences AND treks they may have had scheduled in conflict of these new FSY conferences. If they are every other year I really don't see how they will be able to hold trek anymore unless they take a slot for ward youth activities - which I think would be a mistake.
    My stake does a stake youth conference every year in addition to stake girls' camp and individual ward young men's camps. So it would be possible for us to do this rotation:

    FSY, Stake Youth Conf, FSY, Trek

    I think I've said before that I would like to either do away with trek or to modify it to be less weird.

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    President Nelson to national NAACP convention: We want to be 'dear friends'

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...ay-saints.html

    Complete transcript:

    https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist...ention-remarks

    This would have been inconceivable to me when I was in college. It makes me very, very happy.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    “All is well.”

    https://youtu.be/LWBHAv30nHc

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

  15. #135
    The following link is currently being blocked by Facebook for violating its Community Standards:

    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/...eedom?lang=eng
    "It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view." -- Oscar Levant

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    Quote Originally Posted by USS Utah View Post
    The following link is currently being blocked by Facebook for violating its Community Standards:

    https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/...eedom?lang=eng
    I have been wondering if this is legit or if it is Internet Legend.

    Have you tried posting it?

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    I have been wondering if this is legit or if it is Internet Legend.

    Have you tried posting it?
    Yes, and it was indeed blocked with the explanation that it violated FB's community standards.
    "It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view." -- Oscar Levant

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by USS Utah View Post
    Yes, and it was indeed blocked with the explanation that it violated FB's community standards.
    I tried it too and same thing. I wonder what triggered that with Facebook, because other pages from that site are posted all the time. Wonder if it met some algorithm for saying 'religious freedom' too much. But the content is about being respectful to others etc.

    I personally don't believe it was a direct target, but as mentioned some sort of filtering algorithm.

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