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    Quote Originally Posted by Solon View Post
    We're so lucky to have Kyle.
    I hope there's a statue of him on campus someday. Preferably showing him calling for an onside kick vs. Wyoming, or shirtless riding a tamed cougar.
    amen amigo
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    WARNING: This thread is heavily curated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    WARNING: This thread is heavily curated.
    Not so. Board rules are applied uniformly. Harassing and trolling will get a post deleted. You're better than that anyway.

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    The Kyle Whittingham Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Sounds good. Then we can all revel in the harmoniousness in our mutual apologies (you for repeatedly speaking ill of the Lord's anointed, and me for snide remarks on a message board)!
    You're better than that too.
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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

  5. #1145
    Scalley signs long term deal. I know some don't like it/believe it, but Scalley is absolutely the coach-in-waiting at Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Scalley signs long term deal. I know some don't like it/believe it, but Scalley is absolutely the coach-in-waiting at Utah.
    I like it and believe it.
    One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.

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    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

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    Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    I like it and believe it.
    Total agreement. Much like Whittingham under Meyer, the continuity of the team culture will be hugely important to keep us towards the top of the PAC 12 (most years). Scalley has proven himself great recruiter, a good x's and o's coach, and a leader. Making the jump to the head job is never easy, and success isn't guaranteed, but I have good confidence in Morgan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Scalley signs long term deal. I know some don't like it/believe it, but Scalley is absolutely the coach-in-waiting at Utah.
    <Raises hand>

    There are worse situations to be in than to have Morgan Scalley waiting in the wings. That I don't like CIW agreements and giving alumni their first big break doesn't mean I'm opposed to Morgan. I'd rather try something new as we're fortunate enough to flex some P5 muscle in hiring coaches, let Morgan get some HC experience elsewhere, and then hire him back to Utah if an experiment away from the current coaching tree doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    <Raises hand>

    There are worse situations to be in than to have Morgan Scalley waiting in the wings. That I don't like CIW agreements and giving alumni their first big break doesn't mean I'm opposed to Morgan. I'd rather try something new as we're fortunate enough to flex some P5 muscle in hiring coaches, let Morgan get some HC experience elsewhere, and then hire him back to Utah if an experiment away from the current coaching tree doesn't work.
    Phil Bengsten comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalPat View Post
    <Raises hand>

    There are worse situations to be in than to have Morgan Scalley waiting in the wings. That I don't like CIW agreements and giving alumni their first big break doesn't mean I'm opposed to Morgan. I'd rather try something new as we're fortunate enough to flex some P5 muscle in hiring coaches, let Morgan get some HC experience elsewhere, and then hire him back to Utah if an experiment away from the current coaching tree doesn't work.
    There is risk either way. If you go away from him, you lose continuity. It's easy to say you can just go back to him if the experiment fails, but failed experiments come with consequences. And consequences can bury you for a decade in college football.

    It's always tempting to grab the hot G5 coach, though, and no one knows more than we do about those guys paying off. In the end, the continuity, familiarity, and loyalty we get with Scalley will trump everything else from a risk/reward perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Phil Bengsten comes to mind.
    Hire an assistant - plenty of examples of that working out well, plenty of it not working out.

    Hire a rising G5 star, same thing.

    Hire a famous alum, same thing.

    Hire a former NFL coach, same thing.

    If there was a proven formula that everyone could do, everyone would do it.

  12. #1152
    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Phil Bengsten comes to mind.
    Wow! There's a name from the long past! I'll see you Bengston and raise you Ed Orgeron, Chris Petersen and Mario Cristobal. And Kyle Whittingham.
    One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.

    --Albert Einstein

    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

    --Richard Dawkins

    Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

    --Philo

  13. #1153
    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Wow! There's a name from the long past! I'll see you Bengston and raise you Ed Orgeron, Chris Petersen and Mario Cristobal. And Kyle Whittingham.
    You forgot David Shaw. Cristobal and Orgeron are not in the same category, because they both had prior head coach experience; Orgeron signficant trial and error experience.
    Last edited by concerned; 12-11-2019 at 02:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Wow! There's a name from the long past! I'll see you Bengston and raise you Ed Orgeron, Chris Petersen and Mario Cristobal. And Kyle Whittingham.
    Ryan Day....Lincoln Riley....Dabo Swinney....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Hire an assistant - plenty of examples of that working out well, plenty of it not working out.

    Hire a rising G5 star, same thing.

    Hire a famous alum, same thing.

    Hire a former NFL coach, same thing.

    If there was a proven formula that everyone could do, everyone would do it.
    A risk in hiring the hot G5 coach is that he could bolt after 2 years. With Scally you have a greater chance of him staying, being from the area, an alumni, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving Washington View Post
    A risk in hiring the hot G5 coach is that he could bolt after 2 years. With Scally you have a greater chance of him staying, being from the area, an alumni, etc.
    Or he bolts after two years because he won two league titles and went undefeated (and won a natty) in Year 2. We'd all sign up for that again, in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    There is risk either way. If you go away from him, you lose continuity. It's easy to say you can just go back to him if the experiment fails, but failed experiments come with consequences. And consequences can bury you for a decade in college football.

    It's always tempting to grab the hot G5 coach, though, and no one knows more than we do about those guys paying off. In the end, the continuity, familiarity, and loyalty we get with Scalley will trump everything else from a risk/reward perspective.
    I think there's a reward in going away from the Kyle tree and learning that we shouldn't. There's zero risk involved there. If we went 5-7 three years running, it would be frustrating, but it wouldn't be devastating long term. The risk in going away from the Kyle tree would be never being able to scale it again, but between Scalley and Hill -- and to a lesser degree, Gary, Kalani, even Brian Johnson -- there are plenty of guys out there who know the Utah recipe quite well, and would come back in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    There is risk either way. If you go away from him, you lose continuity. It's easy to say you can just go back to him if the experiment fails, but failed experiments come with consequences. And consequences can bury you for a decade in college football.

    It's always tempting to grab the hot G5 coach, though, and no one knows more than we do about those guys paying off. In the end, the continuity, familiarity, and loyalty we get with Scalley will trump everything else from a risk/reward perspective.
    Who the Utes hire should depend on what is happening with the Program when Whit decides to step down. Are we continuing to compete to play in the PAC 12 Championship? Have we had a couple of 6-6 or 5-7 seasons? If the former, it makes sense to promote someone like Morgan and maintain the consistency. If the latter, it might be best to look outside the Program. I know Morgan and I think he will become an excellent HC. I also like Jay Hill and think he has shown the ability to run a program at Weber.

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