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    Quote Originally Posted by mUUser View Post
    My HS junior daughter missed the first 3 days of seminary last week. We asked her about it last weekend and I could tell she was holding back. I could tell she was struggling with the church, its culture and her testimony. She's always known I've been irreverent with my attitude towards different aspects of the church -- little things like raising the right hand to thank or welcome someone, taking the sac with right hand, white shirts, sweaters for prom dresses, etc…. When I opened up about my doubts and struggles on doctrinal aspects, she asked my wife to leave so she could talk privately….and the floodgates opened. She sobbed and sobbed. Turns out she didn't want to disappoint us and felt like she was alone on an island. Had a great 2 hour chat about things we could hold onto and not lose ground on, (Elder Holland's advice), and things that bothered us but in the scheme of things how much what bothered us really mattered?

    We decided we'd just go through this journey together and promise to try our best to endure till the end.

    It was a wonderful parenting moment.
    very nice mUUser, I found it very difficult to let my daughter make her own choices when I knew what was best for her

    It's a tough lesson to realize they are their own unique individuals and they are simply on lease to you for a short while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    very nice mUUser, I found it very difficult to let my daughter make her own choices when I knew what was best for her

    It's a tough lesson to realize they are their own unique individuals and they are simply on lease to you for a short while.


    Well its been three years since our big talk, and it seems clear my youngest daughter has moved on from her association with the church. Of course I'm disappointed, but, she's so doggone sweet to us that its difficult to too disappointed. On the other hand, my oldest daughter who's a senior in college, has approached us about the possibility of serving a mission after graduation -- something that's been gnawing on her lately. Life is a great adventure with kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mUUser View Post
    Well its been three years since our big talk, and it seems clear my youngest daughter has moved on from her association with the church. Of course I'm disappointed, but, she's so doggone sweet to us that its difficult to too disappointed. On the other hand, my oldest daughter who's a senior in college, has approached us about the possibility of serving a mission after graduation -- something that's been gnawing on her lately. Life is a great adventure with kids.

    I had a friend of mine summarize parenting as "an exercise in adaptation."

    You just never know what you're going to get moment to moment from your kids, and they are all different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Ute View Post
    I had a friend of mine summarize parenting as "an exercise in adaptation."

    You just never know what you're going to get moment to moment from your kids, and they are all different.
    A lady my dad used to work with once summed it up by saying: "You never know which tire will go flat"
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Being a parent now has helped me realize how much of my parent's seeming unreasonableness was tied to my teenage ability to be inconsiderate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mUUser View Post
    Well its been three years since our big talk, and it seems clear my youngest daughter has moved on from her association with the church. Of course I'm disappointed, but, she's so doggone sweet to us that its difficult to too disappointed. On the other hand, my oldest daughter who's a senior in college, has approached us about the possibility of serving a mission after graduation -- something that's been gnawing on her lately. Life is a great adventure with kids.
    We call it an exciting marathon. Lots of hills and valleys, and it ain't over until it's over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    We call it an exciting marathon. Lots of hills and valleys, and it ain't over until it's over.
    This is the part I was not prepared for. I took off from my parents pretty damn early and never looked back. After raising kids now for almost a quarter of a century, the realization that there is no real light at the end of the tunnel (particularly where the wife's maternal instincts don't seem to weaken) is very sobering.
    Last edited by Two Utes; 07-18-2017 at 04:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Utes View Post
    This is the part I was not prepared for. I took off from my parents pretty damn early and never looked back. After raising kids now for almost a quarter of a decade, the realization that there is no real light at the end of the tunnel (particularly where the wife's maternal instincts don't seem to weaken) is very sobering.
    You should just be like your mother and make things so miserable that they do everything possible to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    You should just be like your mother and make things so miserable that they do everything possible to leave.

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    Are you suggesting: “Adversity is without doubt a great teacher, but it’s lessons come at a cost and often what one gains from them is not worth what one paid for them.”—Jeans Jaques Rousseau

    Come on man. We shared the same womb with Two Utes, and we are who we are: reasonably successful men, good husbands and fathers due primarily to the same remarkable, yet wonderfully complex woman who raised us. Your cynicism above only suits whiny frenchmen.

    Raising kids is hard, especially so as they approach adulthood.

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    This article belongs here. For those of you who believe that the new generation will change the world for the better, don't hold your breath. They're not going to do it from the comfort of their bedrooms at home with Mom and Dad:

    Not drinking or driving, teens increasingly put off traditional markers of adulthood

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.60ced6a9bede

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