The Urban Meyer thread

[SeattleUte]

I was in the pub by my house the other day and asked the bartender if she could put on the Florida-Georgetown game. She said, "Oh, are you a Gator?" I said no, I'm a Hoya and more than that a Ute. I reminded her that Urban coached at both our schools. She replied, "He's a liar, we don't like him." Of course I've heard this from many Ute fans too, so I thought it was interesting. I had no idea Florida fans felt this way (I have learned since then that it's a widespread belief that he faked his illness or nervous breakdown or whatever to enable a move to Ohio State). I almost asked her the question I've put to Ute fans, "Oh? You don't like Urban? Tell me about your football tradition before Urban" (B.U. as I sometimes say).

[Ma'ake]

LOL. That's funny, and it's really weird how wrapped up fanbases get in all of this stuff.

His breakdown wasn't fake. He had some crazy stress-related stuff going on when he was here. I'll always appreciate Urban for letting me attend practice. He is extraordinarily savvy on technology, and the guy is an absolute genius at PR and motivational psychology. But there is a slippery aspect there, too.

[concerned]

Florida had a tremendous tradition before Urban (not Alabama, but damn good), which is one of the reasons he took that job over ND. have we forgotten the Ole Ball Coach? Pat Sullivan? Gatorade? (Tha'ts all I can think of; I don't follow them very closely).

A better question is what was their basketball tradition B.D.

P.s. I have always thought that urban's heart condition may be real, but if so was induced by Nick Saban.

[SeattleUte]

Florida had a tremendous tradition before Urban (not Alabama, but damn good), which is one of the reasons he took that job over ND. have we forgotten the Ole Ball Coach? Pat Sullivan? Gatorade? (Tha'ts all I can think of; I don't follow them very closely).

A better question is what was their basketball tradition B.D.

P.s. I have always thought that urban's heart condition may be real, but if so was induced by Nick Saban.

They won twice as many National Championships under Urban as they had accumulated before. Spurrier got them their only previous one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Gators_football

I see Florida much like Texas. A handful of or maybe 3 or 4 spectacular years and an abundance of money and glitz and access to the best recruits but under close examination the tradition doesn't stack up to what you'd expect. It's not even close to Alabama, USC, or Notre Dame. I'd put Miami or FSU above it. Florida is no. 3 in the state for football traditions.

They should forgive Urban his hubris and other foibles and adore him, as we should.

[Applejack]

They won twice as many National Championships under Urban as they had accumulated before. Spurrier got them their only previous one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Gators_football

I see Florida much like Texas. A handful of or maybe 3 or 4 spectacular years and an abundance of money and glitz and access to the best recruits but under close examination the tradition doesn't stack up to what you'd expect. It's not even close to Alabama, USC, or Notre Dame. I'd put Miami or FSU above it. Florida is no. 3 in the state for football traditions.

They should forgive Urban his hubris and other foibles and adore him, as we should.

100% agree! I love Pope Urban!

[SeattleUte]

100% agree! I love Pope Urban!

He's a politician and possibly the best college football coach who ever lived. I love being a piece of that rock. I forgive him his ambition, it's part of what makes him great.

[Diehard Ute]

LOL. That's funny, and it's really weird how wrapped up fanbases get in all of this stuff.

His breakdown wasn't fake. He had some crazy stress-related stuff going on when he was here. I'll always appreciate Urban for letting me attend practice. He is extraordinarily savvy on technology, and the guy is an absolute genius at PR and motivational psychology. But there is a slippery aspect there, too.

He's good at PR, but he also forgets what he's said in the past and thus gets himself branded as a liar. (I'm being generous here, reality probably is he doesn't care that he changes his tune to get what he wants. Urban is a politician in reality)

[Ma'ake]

He's good at PR, but he also forgets what he's said in the past and thus gets himself branded as a liar. (I'm being generous here, reality probably is he doesn't care that he changes his tune to get what he wants. Urban is a politician in reality)

Well put. "Liar" is a little harsh, but it's understandable how that term gets applied.

[Snowman]

Urban left Utah better than he found it. Everyone knew he wasn't home grown. I did find his fake heart attack meltdown in Florida pretty funny. He knows how to jump ship. That's for sure.

[SeattleUte]

Urban Meyer and Kyle Whittingham have something else in common. They both crushed Nick Sabin in the Sugar Bowl. Concerned, are you chastened?

[Devildog]

Had this in the back of your mind for awhile... didn't you?

[concerned]

Urban Meyer and Kyle Whittingham have something else in common. They both crushed Nick Sabin in the Sugar Bowl. Concerned, are you chastened?

yes. Mia culpa.urban coachedv circles around saban tonight. although I will still bet that Saban wins more national championships from here on out

[SeattleUte]

yes. Mia culpa.urban coachedv circles around saban tonight. although I will still bet that Saban wins more national championships from here on out

In my pool I have Urban winning one this year. Ohio State will be favored, don't you think? It certainty beat the more formiddable foe.

[Devildog]

. In my pool I have Urban winning one this year. Ohio State will be favored, don't you think? It certainty beat the more formiddable foe.

Oregon will be favored, and they will win.

[concerned]

In my pool I have Urban winning one this year. Ohio State will be favored, don't you think? It certainty beat the more formiddable foe.

12 gauge is not going to outplayed Marriota which he will gave to do for osu to have any chance at all. I dont think it will be close.

[Mormon Red Death]

Urban Meyer and Kyle Whittingham have something else in common. They both crushed Nick Sabin in the Sugar Bowl. Concerned, are you chastened?

Oregon opens at -7

[LA Ute]

I have nothing but good will for Urban Meyer. Utah football made a quantum leap upward because of him.


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[concerned]

I have nothing but good will for Urban Meyer. Utah football made a quantum leap upward because of him.


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me too. The really interesting thing about the game last night was the OSU offense which looked to me almost exactly like the Utah offense in 2004. I told my son that the designed qb runs were just like Alex's runs, and the fly sweeps were the same sweeps we ran.

OSU matched up well against UA, esp. after the two linebackers went out. Alabama pass defense was horrible all year, and Jones was able to throw against it from the 2nd quarter on. If he can keep his poise in the national title game, I will be impressed. Especially if OSU has to play from behind and throw the ball a lot.

Sims was also horrible, with those three second half interceptions killing UA. Mariota is not going to do that. to me, this match up is a lot worse for OSU.

[justaute]

Hear hear.

I have nothing but good will for Urban Meyer. Utah football made a quantum leap upward because of him.


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[U-Ute]

Oregon should win, but I will never underestimate Urban. He is a great tactician and a master motivator.

His reaction to the Oregon/FSU score was classic. I wonder if he calls Kyle for tips.

[Utah]

OSU's third string QB is not a third string QB. Coming out of HS, he was the twelve best recruit in the country. He's not some walkon playing out of his mind. Hes a special talent.

It will be a close game. Urban can coach. And he has a great defense and a very, very good QB.

I'm rooting for Oregon (backthepac), but I think OSU has a great chance to win. Oregon hasn't faced a coach like Urban, and OSU has lost, what, 3 games since Urban has taken over 3 years ago (the same number of losses as FSU in the same time period).

OSU is very, very good. Oregon struggled a lot vs FSU's run game. Urban won't forget that.

[SeattleUte]

OSU's third string QB is not a third string QB. Coming out of HS, he was the twelve best recruit in the country. He's not some walkon playing out of his mind. Hes a special talent.

It will be a close game. Urban can coach. And he has a great defense and a very, very good QB.

I'm rooting for Oregon (backthepac), but I think OSU has a great chance to win. Oregon hasn't faced a coach like Urban, and OSU has lost, what, 3 games since Urban has taken over 3 years ago (the same number of losses as FSU in the same time period).

OSU is very, very good. Oregon struggled a lot vs FSU's run game. Urban won't forget that.

He wasn't the 12th best recruit in the country. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/fo.../cardale-jones

[NorthwestUteFan]

The whole time I watched Cardale Jones I hoped with all my might that Donovan Isom would turn out to be a similar player. Given proper coaching he might be able to put a similar skill set on the field. Granted he isn't an elite QB like CJ, but he is what we have to work with.

I can't wait to see the game next week. It will be a game for the ages!

[SeattleUte]

The whole time I watched Cardale Jones I hoped with all my might that Donovan Isom would turn out to be a similar player. Given proper coaching he might be able to put a similar skill set on the field. Granted he isn't an elite QB like CJ, but he is what we have to work with.

I can't wait to see the game next week. It will be a game for the ages!

Cardale Jones wasn't a star studded recruit. He was no more highly recruited than Travis Wilson, and his offer list was not nearly as impressive:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/fo.../cardale-jones

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/fo.../travis-wilson

What about Johnny Manzel, you say?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/fo...johnny-manziel

This doesn't surprise me. Recruiting is very important but still overrated. Marcus Mariota was rated where the best WAC-level players reside, much lower than either of the foregoing.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/fo...marcus-mariota

Isom is closer to Wilson and Jones than Mariota, which I guess is a good thing.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/fo...3/donovan-isom

The other Wilson, Russell, was a blah recruit:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/fo...russell-wilson

Finally, I have to recognize the highest rated quarterback of all among these guys:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/fo...899/jake-heaps

What makes a great quarterback? Good question. Nobody seems to know.

[NorthwestUteFan]

The Jake Heaps info is special. Glad you included it.

In the end all of the HS talent in the world is meaningless without a college coach who will develop that talent. This is part of the reason why Urban Meyer will have THREE Heisman-watch QBs on his team next year. He is a wizard at developing QBs.

[sancho]

The Jake Heaps info is special. Glad you included it.

In the end all of the HS talent in the world is meaningless without a college coach who will develop that talent. This is part of the reason why Urban Meyer will have THREE Heisman-watch QBs on his team next year. He is a wizard at developing QBs.

I don't think the talent was ever there to begin with. They just missed on the rankings.

As for Urban developing QBs, sure, but he has also developed a simple system where he can just plug in a QB and have success.

That's part of what makes football so interesting. How much is coaching? How much is talent? How much is system? How much is the other 10 players on the field? SOS? Luck? All these questions are intractable.

[SeattleUte]

I don't think the talent was ever there to begin with. They just missed on the rankings.

As for Urban developing QBs, sure, but he has also developed a simple system where he can just plug in a QB and have success.

That's part of what makes football so interesting. How much is coaching? How much is talent? How much is system? How much is the other 10 players on the field? SOS? Luck? All these questions are intractable.

The most important and most mysterious position in football. It's the great leveler position.

[mpfunk]

I'm not anti-Urban Meyer, but I hope he gets his ass kicked tonight.

[mUUser]

I'm not anti-Urban Meyer, but I hope he gets his ass kicked tonight.

I love Urban Meyer and would never bet money against him, but completely agree! I'm all about the P12 tonight.

[utefan]

Like it or not, a lot of people do cheer for the conference. That's why articles like this one came out within minutes of the championship game ending:

http://collegefootball.ap.org/articl...big-ten-6-each