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    2015-16 Utah basketball team

    So what do we think for next year?

    I say Chapman makes the leap
    Kuzma provides some good minutes
    Loveridge and Taylor are who they are
    We start wright, Taylor, Chapman, loveridge and poetl
    Olsen plays the batshitzinky role well
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    Forgot bealer. .. he will start
    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    So what do we think for next year?

    I say Chapman makes the leap
    Kuzma provides some good minutes
    Loveridge and Taylor are who they are
    We start wright, Taylor, Chapman, loveridge and poetl
    Olsen plays the batshitzinky role well
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Forgot bealer. .. he will start
    Ahead of whom does Bealer start? Wright, Loveridge or Chapman? That'll be interesting.

    Reyes will be 7th or 8th man unless he figures out how not to be such a liability.

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    It'll be Wright or Taylor, Bealer is a 2. I imagine you'll see Brandon play more at the 1 next year with he and Wright spelling each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diehard Ute View Post
    It'll be Wright or Taylor, Bealer is a 2. I imagine you'll see Brandon play more at the 1 next year with he and Wright spelling each other.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see Bealer play some 3.

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    ESPN's way-too-early poll has us 14th next year, assuming Poeltl returns.

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ketball-season

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    ESPN's way-too-early poll has us 14th next year, assuming Poeltl returns.

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ketball-season
    They accurately note that with him the team's ceiling is "Great" and without it is "Good."
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    KY 7 players declare; no word yet on Stanley Johnson--why would he return? Or Gary Payton JR from OSU.

    more in , then better chance Jakob out.

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    -I hope Jakob comes back. We could really use him.

    -im excited to see what happens with Kenneth Ogbe. I think he could be anything from our starting 2 to a logjam transfer casualty.

    -i wouldnt be surprised if there was an out of the blue signing as well.

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    Draftexpress currently has Jakob going 11th overall. I guess going toe to toe with Jahlil Okafor and holding your own will do that.

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    ESPN's early look...one of the paragraphs will tell you how dialed in they are:

    To return to the NCAA tournament, a team needs contributions from both returning and incoming players. Here's a look at Utah and its chances of dancing again in 2016.Quick references:
    2014-15 roster
    2015 recruiting

    Possible 2015-16 starting five
    G Dakarai Tucker
    G Brandon Taylor
    F Brekkott Chapman
    F Jordan Loveridge
    C Jakob Poeltl

    Who is lost: The Runnin' Utes will lose arguably the best player in the conference in Delon Wright. He was not only the quarterback of the squad, but also the catalyst for their Pac-12 runner-up finish (tied with Oregon). The Utes also will have to replace Dallin Bachynski, a backup center and who provided rebounding, solid post defense and solid screens.
    Who is added: Larry Krystkowiak didn't have to tap into the European market this time around as he added a terrific trio of prospects from the West Coast. Makol Mawien is quite raw, but he has the physical tools (length/bounce) to be a potential starter at the 4 position down the road.Noah Togiai is a quintessential glue type who affects the game in multiple ways with his relentless energy, strength and athleticism. The final piece of the trio, Gabe Bealer (City College of San Francisco), arrived a year earlier than expected. Bealer, a slashing wing who can score from all three perimeter levels, is redshirting after suffering a knee injury.
    What it means for next season: There is no one in the program who can duplicate Wright's all-around skills and savvy. Taylor is a solid point guard with a ton of moxie and Isaiah Wright is a solid playmaker, but neither of the returnees have the innate playmaking ability that Wright possessed. However, Krystkowiak's club should be more productive at every other position other than point guard. Poeltl is a future lottery pick, and sophomore Chapman should mold into an all-conference performer next season with his point forward skill set. Tucker should provide timely shooting and Loveridge is another prototypical glue type who affects the game with his skill, savvy and strength. In addition, the Utes should be excited about the potential of Kyle Kuzma, who showed flashes of his budding talent during his freshman campaign.
    Trending: Down. The key for the Utes as they head into the 2015-16 season obviously will be the development at the point guard position. However, an upper-echelon finish in the Pac-12 should be expected considering how talented and deep the roster is heading into next season.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    ESPN's early look...one of the paragraphs will tell you how dialed in they are:

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    Lol on the togiai comment.

    Ill be interested to see this class grow,

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    Sounds like the Aggies have hired internally, so Tommy Connor is safe.....for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    Sounds like the Aggies have hired internally, so Tommy Connor is safe.....for now.
    Good for them.

    ...and for us!

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    so much of the 2015/2016 success will depend on the strength of the PAC-12. I think overall the league will be better (UCLA, OR, WA should be much improved). AZ will still probably be the favorite in the conference, but they wont be as dominant as the 2014/2015 team.

    Remember Utah basketball following the 97/98 team. Most of the predictions for Utah were down because Van Horn had left, but ...

    Maybe Delon leaving will have the same affect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    so much of the 2015/2016 success will depend on the strength of the PAC-12. I think overall the league will be better (UCLA, OR, WA should be much improved). AZ will still probably be the favorite in the conference, but they wont be as dominant as the 2014/2015 team.
    I thought the same thing would have been said about the 14/15 team after Griffin and Johnson left and look at how that worked out. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcho View Post
    so much of the 2015/2016 success will depend on the strength of the PAC-12. I think overall the league will be better (UCLA, OR, WA should be much improved). AZ will still probably be the favorite in the conference, but they wont be as dominant as the 2014/2015 team.

    Remember Utah basketball following the 97/98 team. Most of the predictions for Utah were down because Van Horn had left, but ...

    Maybe Delon leaving will have the same affect?
    Utah didn't necessarily get better after KVH left just because it made it to the national title game. Utah made it to the national title game because Kentucky finally wasn't in our bracket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I know Arizona has a great class coming in full of more 1-and-done superstars.

    UCLA - they lose Looney. Who is coming in?

    UW - why should they be much better? Just because they couldn't be any worse? NWG is gone, right?

    Oregon - do they have a strong class coming in? They lose Joe Young.

    I know Oregon State has a ranked incoming class.

    Others? CU, USC (one year older, maybe the experience will help), Wazzu (I know nothing), ASU (lost all their recruits when they fired Sendek), Stanford (loses Randle), Cal (I know nothing)
    AZ, Oregon, Oregon St. Wash and UCLA are all supposed to have very good classes coming in from what I've read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Delon picked up a 2nd team AP all-american. Again, does anyone know if 2nd team is enough to get his name in the rafters?
    I am pretty sure he has to be a consensus AA, and I think that means first team. SCP may know more about that.

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    2015 Utah team

    Poeltl... Via @utahathletics


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    I too am looking forward to next season!
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    This is obviously huge for next season, but also long term for Utah. Another visit to the tourney will signal to recruits that Utah is the real deal and a place you want to play.

    Kodiak's extension and the coaching staff apparent continuity is huge too.

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    Starting five
    Taylor
    Chapman
    Loveridge
    Reyes
    Poetl
    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    Starting five
    Taylor
    Chapman
    Loveridge
    Reyes
    Poetl
    Taylor
    Bealer
    Loveridge
    Chapman
    Poeltl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    Taylor
    Bealer
    Loveridge
    Chapman
    Poeltl
    Can Bealer handle the ball? I love Brandon Taylor, but he's not the greatest handler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solon View Post
    Can Bealer handle the ball? I love Brandon Taylor, but he's not the greatest handler.
    I was thinking the same thing. I'm hoping for:

    I Wright
    Taylor
    Loveridge
    Reyes
    Poeltl

    Chapman and Bealer 1st off the bench with significant minutes each game.
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    Starters: Wright, Taylor, Bealer, Chapman, Poeltl
    Key Reserves: Tucker, Loveridge, Reyes, Mawien
    Wild Cards (could get big minutes, could be end of bench and transfer): Ogbe, Kuzma
    No idea: Miller, Another backup big (could switch places with Mawien)

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    Quote Originally Posted by UBlender View Post
    Starters: Wright, Taylor, Bealer, Chapman, Poeltl
    Key Reserves: Tucker, Loveridge, Reyes, Mawien
    Wild Cards (could get big minutes, could be end of bench and transfer): Ogbe, Kuzma
    No idea: Miller, Another backup big (could switch places with Mawien)
    I like this. I think Tucker and Loveridge would get lots of minutes; perhaps Reyes too.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    My guess is:

    I. Wright
    Taylor
    Loveridge
    Chapman
    Poeltl

    While I do have concerns over the small back court of Wright (6-2) and Taylor (5-10), the fact that both are such good defenders (and Taylor often guarded the opposing team's larger guard with not much problem) I think we'd be ok. Like has been said, I just feel like Taylor is a 2/shooting guard, not a great "creator". That's where we'll have the biggest void left from Delon is creating open shots off the dribble. I think I. Wright and Bealer are the two guys who can fill in the best in that area. So I could see Bealer start alongside Taylor, but until I see him play I can't pass an accurate judgment on him. He seems like the biggest wildcard on next year's roster.

    Couple questions I have going forward (regarding positions/lineup)are:

    Is Chapman a 4? Or a 3 and a 4?
    Is Kuzma a 3 or 4?
    Is Mawien a 4? or a 4 and a 5?

    If I had to guess I'd say Chapman is a 4, Kuzma a 3, and Mawien a 4 and 5.

    Thus, I think we see Chapman start at the 4, seeing about 25 mpg there. I think Mawien and Reyes are the primary backups at the 4 and 5 positions, with JO (assuming for now that he stays) seeing spot minutes at the 5.

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    There is less than a 1% chance that Taylor will not be a starter next season. He isn't the best player on the team but he is the unquestioned leader, and the heart and soul of the team.
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