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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Hey, now. Apples and oranges.

    Here's a Stanford nugget:

    http://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/03/09/1046687/
    Wait, aren't you a UNC guy? If so, I'm not sure you should be mocking schools for creating a list of easy classes.

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    Anyone have a recommendation for accessible books on theology?

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    Twenty years ago today, the woman who raised me passed away.

    Her grandmother is one of the principal sources for the Martin and Willie handcart company accounts.
    She was a tough woman. I went on a mission because of her. She was diagnosed with cancer two weeks after I went into the MTC. She promised me shed be alive when I returned. I didn't want to stay on my mission but I knew I needed to stay, for her.

    When i returned two years later, she was ravaged with three forms of cancer and was hanging on for life. I had to be rushed from the airport to see her.

    She died a few days later.

    I am not what youd call a believer in religion, but I believe in people and their inherent goodness.

    Thank god for a woman named Dorothy, whom I miss and believe in every day.

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    This thread's for believers in any faith, so here's a Youtube about a believer -- Bono.


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    I am not what youd call a believer in religion, but I believe in people and their inherent goodness.
    Viking, I missed this post. Very touching. Thanks for sharing.

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    Last edited by LA Ute; 09-03-2014 at 09:32 AM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I've read parts of The God Who Weeps. I find their approach resonates with me quite a bit. Times and Seasons has a review and some good comments including a point of clarification by the Givens' on one of the main sticking points of the book: http://timesandseasons.org/index.php...ible-of-doubt/
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Utes View Post
    Alpine is just like Hilldale

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oartIE7rKuM

    Discuss.
    My wife was in Alpine last week on a family errand. She'd never been there before and was impressed, in the same way one might be impressed by visiting Stepford.

    I think the stake mentioned in that Youtube is somewhere in SL County, though.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    My wife was in Alpine last week on a family errand. She'd never been there before and was impressed, in the same way one might be impressed by visiting Stepford.

    I think the stake mentioned in that Youtube is somewhere in SL County, though.
    Yikes. Lone Peak is in Alpine though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Yikes. Lone Peak is in Alpine though.
    Lone Peak stake is in Sandy, oddly enough. You can be positive that wasn't shot in Alpine because the video contains, um, "diversity" never before seen in Alpine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    Lone Peak stake is in Sandy, oddly enough. You can be positive that wasn't shot in Alpine because the video contains, um, "diversity" never before seen in Alpine.
    two Lone Peaks? no wonder they seem like Dr. Jeckyl and Dr. Jeckyl.

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    Lone Peak Hospital is on State and about 120th South...in Salt Lake County. Makes no sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I didn't watch the video, but yes. All of suburban America is the same.
    Lone Peak is in Salt Lake County. Lone Peak high school is in North Utah county serving Highland and Alpine, which is probably why most people think of those areas when they hear Lone Peak.

    Hiking to Loan Peak is tough but amazing. Once you get up towards the top, you could swear you are in Yosemite with all the granite and stark cliffs.
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    “To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.” James Hatch, former Navy Seal and current Yale student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Utes View Post
    Alpine is just like Hilldale

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oartIE7rKuM

    Discuss.
    This little ditty is exactly what's wrong with the church's current approach to modesty. "If only you could see what I can see, you'd know why I need your modesty." Modesty shouldn't be so one sided. The ideas behind modern day modesty would have fit nicely in the Law of Moses. What this video does reveal is that maybe one of the biggest challenges for the youth in the church moving forward is dancing to a beat. Awful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scratch View Post
    Lone Peak stake is in Sandy, oddly enough. You can be positive that wasn't shot in Alpine because the video contains, um, "diversity" never before seen in Alpine.
    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    two Lone Peaks? no wonder they seem like Dr. Jeckyl and Dr. Jeckyl.
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    Lone Peak is in Salt Lake County. Lone Peak high school is in North Utah county serving Highland and Alpine, which is probably why most people think of those areas when they hear Lone Peak.

    Hiking to Loan Peak is tough but amazing. Once you get up towards the top, you could swear you are in Yosemite with all the granite and stark cliffs.
    This wasn't an issue until those jackasses in Highland decided to name their high school after a landmark outside their jurisdiction. Speaking of Highland, I grew up in the Highland stake, which is in Sugarhouse, which I never really thought much about until people on my mission started asking if I liked living in Utah County. :wuap:

    Bell's Canyon to Lone Peak is some of the greatest hiking in the state of Utah.


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    It will be interesting to see how this effort goes. The video is actually pretty informative:


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    What a great day! I finally got the last two (of twelve) Russian olive stumps out of my backyard. Son had his best soccer game of the season. Utes win at Big House. And, last but not least, I finally sit down to write my Sunday school lesson, only to remember that I didn't give my lesson last week because all the kids were out of town. I don't have to plan a thing!
    it may be just a Utah thing, but all our normal meetings are cancelled tomorrow for the Ogden Temple dedication. I am usually at church from 6:00 am to 1:00 pm, so it will be a "day of rest" to just go for two hours.
    “To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.” James Hatch, former Navy Seal and current Yale student.

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    I like this.


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58...ampus.html.csp

    It's time to start a "BeardedMen.org" movement for the Mormon church.
    I liked that the article used the term "slovenly"

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    Once upon a time both my bishop and I had mustaches. We went to the temple to help with youth baptisms. We were not allowed to perform any ordinances because the temple president took the position that when doing so we were the equivalent of temple workers, who must adhere to missionary-level grooming standards. The temple worker that booted us was really embarrassed. I was pretty irritated that a bishop (then aged 75, who had had his mustache for 50+ years, ever since his Navy service in WWII) would be embarrassed in front of the youth. I went all the way to a GA with that one.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Sounds like I can count on you to add a profile to the website. Are you good at making web pages? I'm not.
    After 25 years with the 'stache, I became clean-shaven. I feel like I have disappointed you.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    From the book Visions of Glory:

    (Describing the author's near-death experience)

    I looked around me and realized...we were in a tunnel of sorts, and I had the sensation of moving at great speed. I discerned that the tunnel was "alive." Perhaps it would be more accurate to say, it was a part of my being. It was "mine," and I had created it. My angelic escort smiled again, "That is right. It is a portal, and you created it. Only you can use it."

    I thought about this, then asked, "So, does each person make his own portal before coming to this earth?" The tunnel felt like it was as much a part of me as my hand or foot. It was my understanding that this portal was how I came to this earth to be born and how I would return to God when I was at last finished with mortality. I could "feel" the tunnel, the same as one feels his arm or fingers.

    He seemed pleased. "Yes, that is correct. Everyone creates their own portal, which you perceive as a tunnel of light but which is just the best way for you to understand what is happening to you. It is a divine power you learned long ago, which enabled you to come to earth, and eventually to return to God. Everyone must create their own."

    ...I asked, Does the earth have a tunnel of light?" The scriptures inform us that the earth is an intelligent and living thing.

    He answered, "Yes. God provided a similar means for the movement of the earth to where it now is."

    I then experienced, as if I were actually there, how the earth "fell" from where it was created and moved to where it is positioned now. I had the impression that it took thousands of years for it to arrive.

    The image I saw appeared to me to be a "folding" of the universe. It looked like the universe was folded in on itself, like a sheet of thick paper or fabric so that where the earth was created and where it was to go were on top of one another. The earth was then moved from where it emerged and physically "transitioned" to its new position. This moving of the earth occurred during the entire creative process. By the time it arrived, it was prepared for mortal man.

    I also saw that when it is time for it to return to its original location, the universe will again fold and the earth will be moved back to its place of creation.

    The image I saw revealed that even though we only perceive one plane of existence, there are an infinite number of planes stacked, or layered, in the same space. These planes are not truly "universes" because they are less about infinite stars and suns and worlds as they are about God's organization and exaltation of all of His creations and His assigning unchanging glory and laws to each plane. Human language does not give us adequate words to describe such things, nor does human intelligence give us the ability to understand such things unless our minds are opened for a moment. When I was with the angel, I could understand all of this clearly. I believe I remember most of what I saw, yet now I have only a fragment of the understanding of what it meant or by what principle it occurred. What I learned then, and what I have been allowed to retain, has taken me many years to acquire the words to describe, even to myself. If you consider that this is the only time I have said many of these things out loud, you will understand why I still struggle for words.

    I did understand that the reason the universes were "folded" together was because it was more efficient. The word "easier" doesn't apply because God has all power, and nothing taxes His power or ability- it was just more efficient, and it is the way it has always been done.

    There is a celestial arithmetic about this vision that was amazing to behold. I realized that this mighty folding of the universe was not magic to God. It was more like brilliant spiritual technology. I saw that God possesses vast laws, principles, and science- if you will- of how to do these things within His understanding and power. They were beautiful to behold, like a divine dance with stars and planets as the performers. When men do math there is always the infection of error and mistakes. God's arithmetic is always flawless, and I saw that the entirety of His creations were the recipient of His flawless Godly engineering.

    All of the glorified universes I perceived were one of three glories- celestial, terrestrial, or telestial. There were other types, which were not types of glory. These were wonderful places without glory where beings who had not qualified for a reward of glory during their lifetimes were ultimately sent. These were of every type, of every description, and were created in response to their desires. They wanted nothing more to do with God or His intervention in their lives, so He gave them what they wanted- whatever it was- and there they would stay throughout eternity, unable to challenge God's authority ever again.

    Our earth is presently of the telestial order, but before the era of man, the earth had come from a celestial plane. It was not yet celestialized, but it was created there. The transition from a celestial realm to the mortal realm is what constituted the Fall, and was accomplished by this folding process.

    When a person dies or when he has an out-of-body experience, as in my case, his own tunnel brings him back to his original place and to his original structure- which were both spiritual in nature. This power to return to God is only perceived as a tunnel of light. It is not physical and is not actually a tunnel but is the sure way God has provided for our spirits to return to Him.

    When we are done with this telesitial experience, we will no longer need this tunnel between earth and God. We will then be able as spirits, and eventually as resurrected beings, to move instantly across vast distances by the power of God that will be inherent within us.

    We needed the tunnel of light because a flawed mortal does not have the ability to initiate travel as does a spirit. Similar to leaving a rope dangling over the cliff so we can climb back up, we left the tunnel of light as our sure means of returning home after we have discarded this fleshy tabernacle.

    (skipping ahead 148 pages)

    ...The next vision I saw took me to a time after the Millennium. I was viewing the earth from out in space, as we call it now. The earth had been moved to a new location far beyond the galaxy we call the Milky Way. This had been accomplished by the same "folding" process that had placed the earth in its mortal rotation around our sun.

    There was a new heaven here. All of the stars were different. They were brighter and glorified. There was a massive sun in the sky, which I understood to be the greatest of all the creations of God, and where Father and our Savior dwelt. I was looking at the new earth beneath me. It was glowing nearly as brightly as the sun. The earth had been celestialized, and persently there were no people upon the earth, and nothing remained of man's long tenure there. Everything man had built was gone, as well as trees, grass, and flowers. The earth itself was perfectly smooth and as clear as glass. It was itself a giant Urim and Thummim. The earth had died at the end of the Millennium and had now been "resurrected" by God. It was at long last prepared to host those who had once lived as mortals upon her face, and who were finally qualified to swell in her fiery glory.

    The judgment day had just occurred, and all former inhabitants of earth were now dwelling in their new kingdoms, except the celestial kingdom. The earth was now ready to become that celestial abode but for one finishing detail.

    I was with a large group of people who were returning to the earth with a large city. We were not in or on the city, but beside it, bringing it with us. We were moving through space at a rapid pace, bringing the first of many cities to the earth. We were a vast company of those who had run the good race, who had fought the good fight, and finished the course. And one of us could have brought this city by ourself, but we were there to share in this eternally historic event because this was "our" celestial home now for the remainder of eternity.

    The city beside me was the most beautiful structure ever created. God Himself had designed it, and we had been sent to construct it. Not only was it incomparably beautiful, but it was glorious beyond any mortal ability to describe it. I thought then, and now as I am attempting to describe it, that such beauty could only have come from the mind of God. It was a single, glorious building, bit it was the size of a city, glowing white with sparkling accents of color. We brought it from the presence of Father, to be the first and greatest structure on the earth. It was well over a square mile, a mile high, and with its many spires, arches, and architectural wonders, it was approximately pyramidal in shape. This would be the residence of our Savior, who was now to dwell with us forever.

    As we slowed to the place the city at the exact northern pole of the new earth, I knew that we could reshape the earth to anything we desired. We could call forth gardens, rivers, or mountains in endless variety and wonder- but the era of green grass was past because those things belonged to the telestial and terrestrial orders, and the earth was now celestial. Those things which had been wondrous and beautiful to us before would eventually not even come to mind any more, for the wonder and glory before us far exceeded all other possible orders of living.

    I recall feeling total, absolute joy. It was not only joy for ourselves, but also for the earth, which had waited so long and faithfully for evil to be wiped from her face. She was now glorified and perfected- and finally at rest- and we, we were finally home. The journey was finally over. A million years of preparation, mortal life, trials and suffering, a thousand years of work in the Millennium and the judgment were now done, and our lives were about to begin.
    When I told him of some of my colleagues' intellectual objections to gospel issues, he said, "Well, Brother Madsen, if only they had the Spirit they wouldn't talk this way. If only they had the Spirit."
    -Truman G. Madsen, with Spencer W. Kimball

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    Interesting, Switzerland, but it far exceeds any recorded information revealed to any prophet, both in scope and detail. Color me skeptical. I figure we'll all find out soon enough how it will be.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Interesting, Switzerland, but it far exceeds any recorded information revealed to any prophet, both in scope and detail. Color me skeptical. I figure we'll all find out soon enough how it will be.
    Understood, though may I make two slight corrections? It far exceeds any publicly recorded information revealed by any prophet.

    Also, and please don't take this as an admonition to not follow the prophet; I would not advise that to anyone. In the spirit of friendliness, I just want to add reminders of a few scriptures pertaining to our day:

    Acts 2:17-18: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams, and on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.

    Compare to Joel 2:28-29.

    President Hinckley, in the Sep 1985 General Women's conference, said: "Yours may be the spirit of prophecy. That may sound strange to some of you. Miriam in the Old Testament is spoken of as a prophetess. Peter, on the day of Pentecost, repeated the words of the prophet Joel. Can anyone doubt that many women have a special intuitive sense, even a prescient understanding of things to come?"

    I believe, when a person believes they have received revelation or had a vision, that they need to see whether it complies with church doctrine. (It is very, very difficult for many to decipher the difference between personal emotion, and the Spirit. President Packer calls it a "life-long process, learning to fine-tune the Spirit and filter out the rest"). As for Visions of Glory, it greatly increases anything that had previously been publicly shared, but none of its 265 pages contrast anything in scripture, or books or talks from the brethren, past and present.

    It's interesting that its author was personal friends with Spencer W. Kimball, Howard W. Hunter, and Neil A. Maxwell. For many years, he kept his experience private, but three years ago, felt the Spirit telling him that the time had come to publish it. Shortly afterwards, he was questioned by his local leaders and then the brethren (you may call that "the Denver Snuffer effect"), but since that meeting was allowed to keep his calling as a temple officiator and last year was called to be a bishop.
    When I told him of some of my colleagues' intellectual objections to gospel issues, he said, "Well, Brother Madsen, if only they had the Spirit they wouldn't talk this way. If only they had the Spirit."
    -Truman G. Madsen, with Spencer W. Kimball

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    I am glad this finally came out. It's quite good, and probably long overdue.


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    I think if I watched this every day I'd be a better man for it.


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    "Science takes things apart to see how they work. Religion puts things together to see what they mean.”

    --Lord Jonathan Sacks, former Chief Rabbi of the United Kingdom
    Last edited by LA Ute; 02-15-2015 at 12:50 PM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    This is a succinct summary of what discussions about religious belief always seem to come down to:

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...ome-first.html

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    What is a "BYU teaching and learning consultant?" And why do bible studies majors always think their Greek translations are enlightening?
    I had the same question but decided to focus on what he wrote. I do wonder how reasonable it is to expect something new from the known Greek translations. Maybe Solon knows.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    I don't know that many people ever look at this thread but I at least use it as a place to park stuff that I find interesting. I hope others do too.



    Intro material from the Veritas website:

    Does Science Make Faith Obsolete? By James Tour: http://youtu.be/CB3ZmLatcUI

    He is well known for his work in molecular electronics and molecular switching molecules. He has also been involved in other work, such as the creation of a nanocar and NanoKids, an interactive learning DVD to teach children fundamentals of chemistry and physics, SciRave, Dance Dance revolution and Guitar Hero packages to teach science concepts to middle-school students and SciRave-STEM for elementary school children, and much work on carbon nanotubes and graphene. Dr. Tour’s work on carbon materials chemistry is broad and encompasses fullerene purification, composites, conductive inks for radio frequencies identification tags, carbon nanoreporters for identifying oil downhole, graphene synthesis from cookies and insects, graphitic electronic devices, carbon particle drug delivery for treatment of traumatic brain injury, the merging of 2D graphene with 1D nanotubes to make a conjoined hybrid material, a new graphene-nanotube 2D material called rebar graphene, graphene quantum dots from coal, gas barrier composites, graphene nanoribbon deicing films, supercapacitors and battery device structures, and water splitting to H2 and O2 using metal chalcogenides. His work with the synthesis of graphene oxide, its mechanism of formation, and its use in capturing radionuclides from water is extensive. Dr. Tour has developed oxide based electronic memories that can also be transparent and built onto flexible substrates. More recently, he has been using porous metal structures to make renewable energy devices including batteries and supercapacitors, as well as electronic memories. Tour is also well known for his work on nanocars, single-molecule vehicles with four independently rotating wheels, axles, and light-activated motors. His early independent career focused upon the synthesis of conjugated polymers and precise oligomers. Dr. Tour was also a founder of the Molecular Electronics Corporation. He holds joint appointments in the departments of chemistry, computer science, and materials science and nanoengineering at Rice University. Dr. Tour received degrees from Syracuse University(BS, 1981), Purdue University (PhD, 1986) and completed postdoctoral work at theUniversity of Wisconsin–Madison (1986–1987) and Stanford University (1987–1988).


    Tour was named among "The 50 most Influential Scientists in the World Today" by TheBestSchools.org in 2014. Tour was named "Scientist of the Year" by R&D Magazine in 2013. Tour won the ACS Nano Lectureship Award from the American Chemical Society in 2012. Tour was ranked one of the top 10 chemists in the world over the past decade by Thomson Reuters in 2009. That year, he was also made a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Other notable awards won by Tour include the 2008 Feynman Prize in Nanotechnology, the NASA Space Act Award in 2008 for his development of carbon nanotube reinforced elastomers, the Arthur C. Cope Scholar Award from the American Chemical Society (ACS) for his achievements in organic chemistry in 2007, the Small Times magazine's Innovator of the Year Award in 2006, the Southern Chemist of the Year Award from ACS in 2005, the Honda Innovation Award for Nanocars in 2005, the NSF Presidential Young Investigator Award in 1990, and the Office of Naval Research Young Investigator Award in 1989. In 2005, Tour's journal article "Directional Control in Thermally Driven Single-Molecule Nanocars" was ranked the Most Accessed Journal Article by the American Chemical Society. Tour has twice won the George R. Brown Award for Superior Teaching at Rice University in 2007 and 2012.

    Tour holds more than 60 United States patents plus many non-US patents. He has more than 500 research publications.

    http://www.jmtour.com

    Veritas apparently does these forums (fora) at universities all over the USA. They did one at the U of U.

    http://veritas.org/campuses/mississi...te-university/
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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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