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    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    I thought this reflected an interesting controversy within the evangelical world.

    Whither Evangelical Purity Culture? Thoughts on the Legacy of a Lost Pastor

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...a-lost-pastor/

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution

    with Berlinski, Meyer, and Gelernter


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    In my heaven the 1998 NCAA Championship game will end with the Utes winning.

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    https://www.ksl.com/article/46633046...d-of-the-month

    Looking forward to these. The LDS Bible ones were so well done.

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    Looking forward to these. The LDS Bible ones were so well done.
    I didn't know about these. I'll try to find them for our family home evenings.

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    "It'd be nice to please everyone but I thought it would be more interesting to have a point of view." -- Oscar Levant

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    This is well done, and a fair description of the Latter-day Saint view of the First Vision.

    http://<a href="https://youtu.be/lBv...BvxbVs7Kgc</a>

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    I enjoyed this:

    SINGING WITH THE LUTHERANS
    by Garrison Keillor

    I have made fun of Lutherans for years - who wouldn't, if you lived in Minnesota? But I have also sung with Lutherans, and that is one of the main joys of life, along with hot baths and fresh sweet corn.

    We make fun of Lutherans for their blandness, their excessive calm, their fear of giving offense, their lack of speed and also for their secret fondness for macaroni and cheese. But nobody sings like they do.

    If you ask an audience in New York City, a relatively Lutheranless place, to sing along on the chorus of 'Michael Row the Boat Ashore', they will look daggers at you as if you had asked them to strip to their underwear. But if you do this among Lutherans they'll smile and row that boat ashore and up on the beach! And down the road!

    Lutherans are bred from childhood to sing in four-part harmony. It's a talent that comes from sitting on the lap of someone singing alto or tenor or bass and hearing the harmonic intervals by putting your little head against that person's rib cage. It's natural for Lutherans to sing in harmony. We're too modest to be soloists, too worldly to sing in unison. When you're singing in the key of C and you slide into the A7th and D7th chords, all two hundred of you, it's an emotionally fulfilling moment.

    I once sang the bass line of Children of the Heavenly Father in a room with about three thousand Lutherans in it; and when we finished, we all had tears in our eyes, partly from the promise that God will not forsake us, partly from the proximity of all those lovely voices. By our joining in harmony, we somehow promise that we will not forsake each other.

    I do believe this: These Lutherans are the sort of people you could call up when you're in deep distress. If you're dying, they'll comfort you. If you're lonely, they'll talk to you. And if you're hungry, they'll give you tuna salad!

    The following list was compiled by a 20th century Lutheran who, observing other Lutherans, wrote down exactly what he saw or heard:

    1. Lutherans believe in prayer, but would practically die if asked to pray out loud.

    2. Lutherans like to sing, except when confronted with a new hymn or a hymn with more than four stanzas.

    3. Lutherans believe their pastors will visit them in the hospital, even if they don't notify them that they are there.

    4. Lutherans usually follow the official liturgy and will feel it is their way of suffering for their sins.

    5. Lutherans believe in miracles and even expect miracles, especially during their stewardship visitation programs or when passing the plate.

    6. Lutherans feel that applauding for their children's choirs would make the kids too proud and conceited.

    7. Lutherans think that the Bible forbids them from crossing the aisle while passing the peace.

    8. Lutherans drink coffee as if it were the Third Sacrament.

    9. Some Lutherans still believe that an ELCA bride and an LC-MS groom make for a mixed marriage. (For those of you who are not Lutherans, ELCA is Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and LC-MS is Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, two different divisions of the same Protestant religion. And when and where I grew up in Minnesota, intermarriage between the two was about as popular as Lutherans and Catholics marrying.)

    10. Lutherans feel guilty for not staying to clean up after their own wedding reception in the Fellowship Hall.

    11. Lutherans are willing to pay up to one dollar for a meal at church.

    12. Lutherans think that Garrison Keillor stories are totally factual.

    13. Lutherans still serve Jell-O in the proper liturgical color of the season and think that peas in a tuna noodle casserole add a little too much color.

    14. Lutherans believe that it is OK to poke fun at themselves and never take themselves too seriously.

    And finally, you know you're a Lutheran when:

    *It's 100 degrees, with 90% humidity, and you still have coffee after the service;

    *You hear something really funny during the sermon and smile as loudly as you can;

    *Donuts are a line item in the church budget, just like coffee;

    *The communion cabinet is open to all, but the coffee cabinet is locked up tight;

    *When you watch a 'Star Wars' movie and they say, 'May the Force be with you', you respond, 'and also with you';

    *And lastly, it takes 15 minutes to say, 'Good bye'.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    6. Lutherans feel that applauding for their children's choirs would make the kids too proud and conceited
    This one bugs me about Mormon's too. We have amazing musical talent in our ward, and when they perform or even when the kids sing their hearts out, it feels hollow not to be able to show some sign of our appreciation.
    “To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.” James Hatch, former Navy Seal and current Yale student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    This one bugs me about Mormon's too. We have amazing musical talent in our ward, and when they perform or even when the kids sing their hearts out, it feels hollow not to be able to show some sign of our appreciation.
    Do ASL applause. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqFeKj6awhU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocker Ute View Post
    If done in church, I think you'd also have to loudly proclaim "hallelujah" or "amen".
    “To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.” James Hatch, former Navy Seal and current Yale student.

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    I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about intelligent design, but these seem like pretty interesting numbers.


    https://youtu.be/EE76nwimuT0

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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