Yes, we should be able to provide a safe landing for kids who are sharp enough to realize that they don't want to be in Provo.Originally Posted by Utah
Yes, we should be able to provide a safe landing for kids who are sharp enough to realize that they don't want to be in Provo.
Lake is the best of the second tier of Utah prospects (after gustin, masina, that ucla ot, and folau). If he's not Pac12 caliber no one we are signing from Utah is either.
It's not a science. He might very well be a fantastic HS corner who just isn't fast enough for the next level. He would still get rated higher than some other kids (at other positions) who will transition better. It's like that Vehoko kid. If I remember right, he was a 3 star linebacker, but people kept backing off due to speed concerns.
That said, I won't be upset if he ends up here and we make him a SS or LB or special teams machine.
and Braden Bowen, who dumped us for Ohio State.
Last edited by concerned; 01-23-2015 at 12:12 PM.
Maybe he gets a preferred walk-on spot.
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Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
All I have been told is that it's his speed. I'm told his best 100 time is a wind assisted 11.25. Mostly his times were around 11.45. Just as a comparison, I'm told, Kyle Fulks ran a 10.21 wind assisted and a 10.77 unassisted 100. I'm not taking any position (that would be laughable -- I know nothing about evaluating football talent), just relaying what I have been told. I think -- but am not sure -- that he still has a shot if he can show some other truly special skills. But he probably won't ever be playing corner at Utah.
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So, when a Utah high school has a big announcement party/assembly for Osa Masina, do students boo when he picks USC? Because I would have. Booed him till my throat gave out. Whether I was a student, teacher, principal, or head coach.
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Seljaas is a tremendous shooter. Can really score. As good as I've seen at this level. But he's not fast enough to guard a wing and not big enough to guard the post. He's perfect for BYU--run, shoot, don't play D. They will have to play a lot of zone with him or he will be exposed, IMO.
Good thing their other players can fill in the defensive gaps for him....oh, wait. No.
So as an adult you would boo a kid who has making a decision to take a better opportunity?
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Boooooooo! Booooooooo!
Yes. He deserves it. My satisfaction is far more important here.
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So did we really offer him? Or did we back off?
He doesn't sound like someone that fits what Larry wants
We did offer and he decided to go to BYU.
Sounds like we won based on your review
And BYU won because they got a kid that fits their playing style. Win-win.Sounds like we won based on your review
And Seljaas won because he's a BHS kid going to the most homogenous, boring college, from the high school that fits the same mold. Win-win-win.
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Diehard,
I meant to reply to your comment about Togiai yesterday - I thought it was astute. If he plays football - whether Utah plays him at Defensive End or Tight End - they'll put serious weight on him. I don't see how he'll be able to play the two-guard if his weight rises above 220 to 225 pounds. I don't see how he's effective as a 6'4" power forward. If football is providing the scholarship he'll have to give them the stronger commitment.
That's my thought as well.
I know he is the one that wants to forego a decision and play both, but I just don't see how it's beneficial to him, or to either team really.
Believing you can do something and actually doing it are two different things. He can do it in high school so he believes he can do it in college. The difference is that in high school, football and basketball may overlap for a week or two at most. In college, basketball practice starts in early October and games start in mid-november. Football does not end for most teams until the christmas holiday. The reality is he will be too far behind to make any impact in basketball. If the basketball team is involved in March madness, you miss spring football, and lost out on valuable time for making your mark on the football field. Who do you train with in the summer? Football or basketball? You can't train with both.
Exactly what football benefit is there in measuring a straight line 100 yd dash for football, that can't be garnered from a 40-50 yd dash plus a shuttle relay?
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I don't know. I don't know that the Utah coaches are looking at 100 times, that was just research someone did. But I understand that the coaches don't think he can keep up with PAC-12 WRs, which is death to his hopes to be a DB in that league.
Now I'll watch as he becomes an All-American somewhere else.
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God bless Noah. I wish him all the best. But he's getting way too much attention. Neither as a basketball player or a football player do the experts regard him too highly. I hope he proves them wrong! But there's no reason for Ute fans to dwell on this.
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Great to go back thru this thread and see how wrong everyone was about everything!
One eternal truth remains: any recruit from the state of Utah who goes to a non-Pac 12 P5 school is destined for mediocrity. We spent so much time angsting about Brian Mone (Michigan, part time player, 10 tackles last year) and Kenyon Frison (Oklahoma then Eastern Arizona CC then ?). Of course, it would be nice to have had Jackson Schultz.
Dalton Schultz?
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