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    What's up with the NFL?

    Very interesting piece:

    Chargers' desperation move is a shot to the NFL's vitality


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    Now a weird year for the NFL just got weirder. If the Chargers do indeed move, and if owners approve the Raiders' move to Vegas in March, three teams will have relocated in a 14-month span. There will be plenty of blame to go around. Goodell will be the face of it, but internally, owners and executives will wonder if NFL executive Eric Grubman, the point man on stadiums, did an effective enough job of negotiating with San Diego officials. The owners will be viewed as vessels of greed; Spanos will be the one who in the end decided to pull the plug on a cherished home, his legacy a sunburned version of Art Modell's. But the lingering conflict goes beyond the relocations, beyond the logistics and into an area that is tougher to navigate if not solve, because there is no clear solution: What if the NFL simply matters less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    LA was blase about the Rams and then Raiders for years before each left. How is that city going to find interest for two new teams, one of which has no ties to the city since 1961. Maybe the NFL has peaked.

    P. S. who besides me remembers that the Chargers were the LA Chargers before the moved to SD?

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    My Dad grew up in SD and is bummed about the Chargers. I don't see why LA should have two teams. I'm not sure where else to put one in the west, though. Las Vegas Raiders. What other western cities can do it, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    LA was blase about the Rams and then Raiders for years before each left. How is that city going to find interest for two new teams, one of which has no ties to the city since 1961. Maybe the NFL has peaked.

    P. S. who besides me remembers that the Chargers were the LA Chargers before the moved to SD?
    I think one NFL team is enough for LA fans to try to support (something we are not very good at here -- too much good weather and too many other things to do). I don't see this ending well.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    We love to hate the NFL, but it keeps chugging along as by far the most successful sports empire. No?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    We love to hate the NFL, but it keeps chugging along as by far the most successful sports empire. No?
    I don't follow the NFL so I can't say. It certainly seems to me to be the way you describe it. I have seen comments here and there about loss of viewership, over-saturation (too many televised games) and the like. Maybe that is just sports pundit talk. I like to follow college football and basketball (although I do enjoy watching NFL games now and the because it is fun to watch world-class athletes performing at the top of their game -- NFL QBs and receivers working together, for example).

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    My Dad grew up in SD and is bummed about the Chargers. I don't see why LA should have two teams. I'm not sure where else to put one in the west, though. Las Vegas Raiders. What other western cities can do it, though?
    I think a pro basketball team would work great for vegas. A pro football team will flounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    I don't follow the NFL so I can't say. It certainly seems to me to be the way you describe it. I have seen comments here and there about loss of viewership, over-saturation (too many televised games) and the like. Maybe that is just sports pundit talk. I like to follow college football and basketball (although I do enjoy watching NFL games now and the because it is fun to watch world-class athletes performing at the top of their game -- NFL QBs and receivers working together, for example).
    I think the NFL has a Microsoft problem. You can't infinitely grow at the same rate as when your market was developing. Still, so many of the games are just bad.




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    One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.

    --Albert Einstein

    The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.

    --Richard Dawkins

    Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.

    --Philo

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    I think the NFL has a Microsoft problem. You can't infinitely grow at the same rate as when your market was developing. Still, so many of the games are just bad.




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    Oversaturation

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    The PR with concussions, domestic violence and other such issues surely isn't helping.


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    What's up with the NFL?

    Anthem protests led poll of reasons viewers tuned out

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...uned-nfl-games

    I'm not a big follower of the NFL and I didn't change what little watching I do because of the protests (which I do not support). Still, this is interesting.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 12-03-2017 at 08:25 AM.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    What's up with the NFL?

    Interesting analysis of the NFL’s apparent decline.

    The NFL Is Dying; Here's Why

    This collapse of the NFL we’re witnessing is not new. It’s been happening for a long time just below the waterline. A buddy of mine, Steve Czaban, used to keep a running count on the waiting list for Redskins season tickets. When I first moved to Washington it was something like 35 years. Then it was 20 years. Then 15 years. Then 10 years.

    Today the wait list for Redskins season tickets is 17 seconds. Not a typo. (And the team is even offering $100 gift cards to people who buy a season ticket package.)
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-nf...rticle/2010649

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    The moment they allowed a team to move to Las Vegas you knew the decline was real.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
    The moment they allowed a team to move to Las Vegas you knew the decline was real.


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    And allowing two stable franchises to move to LA, so they could build another opulent stadium plus media center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    And allowing two stable franchises to move to LA, so they could build another opulent stadium plus media center.
    In haven’t met a single Angeleno who is excited about the Chargers coming here. L.A. already has a hard time supporting even one NFL team. It’s the dumbest move I’ve ever seen a sports franchise make.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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