http://thecomeback.com/ncaa/californ...lgbt-laws.html
a newly-implemented California law prevents state-funded schools (including Cal, UCLA and other schools in the UC and CSU systems) from scheduling further games against schools from four states:
http://thecomeback.com/ncaa/californ...lgbt-laws.html
a newly-implemented California law prevents state-funded schools (including Cal, UCLA and other schools in the UC and CSU systems) from scheduling further games against schools from four states:
It's just a matter of time until they ban games with BYU.Originally Posted by Scorcho
Some schools/states may enact a prohibition against playing California schools because they have institutionalized the harboring and protecting of illegal immigrants with criminal records.
If Cal is serious, they will forfeit NCAA tourney games against said schools/states.
I haven' watched an NBA game in 5 years, NFL in 3 years. My interest in college athletics in waning with each passing day. Life is too short for this much bull shit.
Last edited by Ultimate Ute; 02-08-2017 at 10:31 PM.
I'm glad California is taking a stance and standing up for what they believe in. No one is perfect, but we all need to strive to be better.
It's not ok to discriminate against anyone. This is no different than BYU not playing on Sunday, BYU not allowing LGBT the same rights on campus, BYU not allowing members who leave the Church to stay enrolled at BYU (although I think BYU was forced to change this rule), etc.
Some things are more important than sports. Discrimination is one of them. Good for California for standing up for what is right.
To summarize:
"I'm glad California is discriminating against people."
"It's not OK to discriminate against anyone."
You do realize that we all discriminate about all kinds of people all the time, right? The only question is whether the discrimination is justified.
If the Olympics wants to ban S. Africa over apartheid, I'm all for it. But I'm not excited about a new era in which academics use college athletics as a pawn in political games. These people care nothing for sports, and they will happily sacrifice athletics at their altar of politics.
So discrimination against LGBT folks is mere politics? I consider it more like an affront to basic human rights.
I agree with this. While sometimes CA lawmakers enact some head scratching legislation, at least they have the balls to be the front-runner for some much needed legislation. Which inevitably the rest of the country finally catches up and follows.
Oh brother. You haven't changed, have you. Why don't you go do something else, like get off on Donald Trump tweets.
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--Albert Einstein
The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.
--Richard Dawkins
Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.
--Philo
Ultimate talks about the issue. You talk about Ultimate.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
What issue? It's not worthy of discussion. He doesn't like LGTB. He doesn't like immigrants. He doesn't like Jews. I wonder why he doesn't like the NFL or the NBA anymore. I bet it's not a reason I'd like to hear about or consider a legitimate "issue". I don't think this place should be a forum for views like his.
One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.
--Albert Einstein
The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.
--Richard Dawkins
Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.
--Philo
So I don't know I have a big problem with the Cal schools doing this or really any problem at all. I have thought a lot about the slippery slope this sort of stuff can be. Right now the morality is benefiting what we perceive as progress. If and when the pendulum swings the other direction and people are forced to do things maybe more conservative than they like how will people react.
I was reading a CNN piece about different comedians getting arrested for 'word crimes' including Lenny Bruce and sentenced to a work camp. A few years later George Carlin was arrested for the same thing for his now famous, "7 things you can't say on TV" bit. Unlike Bruce who was convicted, Carlin's case was thrown out when people in the courtroom began laughing at the bit.
We find this stuff antiquated and funny now. It is almost hard to fathom how people could sensor speech that way.
Now protests erupt when a gigantic prick but conservative speaker tries to talk at Berkeley and it seems the pendulum has swung fully the other way.
History shows it will be coming back.
So we hope what we now view as progress sticks but history has shown us it won't. And then what? Would you be required to make a cake for a Nazi party?
Now, shifting gears, this is intentionally outrageous so don't take this as an endorsement or even a position I feel is correct. However, I think it might muster similar feelings for how some people currently feel and how almost all people felt as little as 40 years ago about homosexuality. And yes I get the false equivalency. But morals are ever shifting and so there will be SOMETHING we don't generally accept as society now that will be (like maybe polygamy).
But what if after some scientific discovery we find that pedophilia is as genetic as hetro or homosexuality? What if over time society begins to feel that this is okay? What if you find yourself feeling like it isn't okay despite what the majority of society feels? What if you are suddenly required to do business for pedophiles? What if others begin to boycott you because of your beliefs, saying it goes beyond politics, it is an issue of right and wrong?
Again, let me reiterate that I do not even remotely believe homosexuality = pedophilia. In fact I find nothing more repugnant than pedophilia. I think those people should have a millstone tied to their neck and drowned in the sea. It is just to illustrate that most people used to feel the same way about homosexuality and there was nothing you could teach that would make it acceptable in their minds. But morals shift and people, even generally decent people, can be slow to come along. Usually what fixes that understanding is exposure, patience and understanding. Hitting them with a hammer doesn't.
I guess I don't know where I am going with this other than to say there is something unsettling about this sort of methodology to force people to come to terms with your way of understanding. I think it can be done better, preserving the rights of the victim without trampling on the rights of people we perceive as ignorant and even straight out bigoted.
I'm prepared to be skewered for this.
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Last edited by Rocker Ute; 02-09-2017 at 03:46 PM.
A weird new restrictive law? In California?! This is crazy!
I am a "Likes to watch the world burn" sort of guy, so I know I am a jerk ahead of time.
As such, I really find it entertaining that each side of the LGBT issues castigate the opposite as "immoral", LOL! Each side appealing to the authority of either divinity or social liberty.
Meanwhile, China sits waiting, with their characteristic patience for long-range plans, for us to tear ourselves apart over social issues.
It's sad that you think the concept of morality only exists in a religious context. Typical, though. Do you think racism implicates morality?
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One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.
--Albert Einstein
The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.
--Richard Dawkins
Be kind to all, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.
--Philo
Is it immoral to be a dickhead?
CARB still pisses off many people. But the air quality in California, and likewise much of the rest of the nation is far better for it.
I think Cal Berkley should be required to change their mascot from the Bears to the Delta Smelt. Or better yet, make Fresno St change to it, just to piss everyone in the V off.
“To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect.” James Hatch, former Navy Seal and current Yale student.
You're comparing something that happens among consenting adults to an act where adults prey on children.
I'm sure you could find something that's far closer in realm than those two things.
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I knew you'd say this, try reading what I said. I'm not comparing them, I'm comparing the emotions people felt 40 years ago about homosexuals to how people feel about pedophiles today.
And I quote myself:
"this is intentionally outrageous so don't take this as an endorsement or even a position I feel is correct."
"yes I get the false equivalency."
"Again, let me reiterate that I do not even remotely believe homosexuality = pedophilia."
"In fact I find nothing more repugnant than pedophilia. I think those people should have a millstone tied to their neck and drowned in the sea."
Last edited by Rocker Ute; 02-09-2017 at 04:00 PM.
Godwins law=fulfilled
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Kind of like when teams refused to play BYU because of their racism?
Look, sports are fun. Sometimes, there are bigger issues than the game. Sometimes, a stand needs to be taken. Some organizations won't listen until their pocketbook is affected.
Without all the political pressure, sports teams included, BYU would still be discriminating against black people. Hell, they'd still be beer drinking polygamists.
Good for California. Just like LDS people stand up for what they believe in, California is doing the same thing.
Kind of like a ban on terrorist countries...just not the countries terrorists actually come from.
Right?
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/0...anti-lgbt-law/A new California state law has ended discussions between Cal and Kansas about a home-and-home series in men’s basketball.
“Cal said they couldn’t do it,” Kansas Athletics spokesperson Jim Marchiony told the Lawrence Journal-World, which reported confirmation from Kansas officials of the development.
The schools had reportedly been in preliminary talks about playing two games — one at Cal and one in Lawrence, Kansas.
From the legislature's standpoint that would be a positive. All of the gate and TV and merch money gets to remain in the UC and CSU coffers, similar to us playing USU, UVU, SUU, etc.
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