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    The Basketball Offseason 2017 thread

    Here sooner than I think we wanted, but here it is all the same. Here is a thread for everything going on, be it transfers, nba departures, commitments, coaching news.

    Buckle up.

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    I think it really comes down to this: Can Larry build on this year or is he going to be rebuilding after this year?

    It sounds like Kuzma is gone. It sounds like he'd rather get paid in the NBA DL than not get paid. I think he'd be better off coming back, but I won't fault a kid for wanting to get paid.

    What happens if Daniels leaves as well (I have no info on this, 100% stupid fan, message board speculation).

    At some point, the "Larry is rebuilding this program from scratch" narrative needs to fade and we need to progress from season to season. Larry found a diamond in Wright and we got a little lucky with Poeltl and Cal firing their coach. Since then, we've been getting worse every year.

    If we keep the team together, Kuzma and Daniels stay, then I'm really excited for next year. Then, we now have a foundation and are building for the future. We will be better and Larry is the guy for the job.

    If we lose a bunch of starters, and are basically starting over with Tillman and Barefield next year...that will be disappointing. I'd bet his seat starts to heat up at that point.

    Big summer for Larry and his perception of where the program is heading.

    Larry has done so much right, but at the same time, he has the FBYU-P story, the bad OOC, the transfers, etc. If he wins, those aren't a big deal at all. If he can't make the tournament most years, then those become big red flags.

    Anyways, my rambling thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    I think it really comes down to this: Can Larry build on this year or is he going to be rebuilding after this year?

    It sounds like Kuzma is gone. It sounds like he'd rather get paid in the NBA DL than not get paid. I think he'd be better off coming back, but I won't fault a kid for wanting to get paid.

    What happens if Daniels leaves as well (I have no info on this, 100% stupid fan, message board speculation).

    At some point, the "Larry is rebuilding this program from scratch" narrative needs to fade and we need to progress from season to season. Larry found a diamond in Wright and we got a little lucky with Poeltl and Cal firing their coach. Since then, we've been getting worse every year.

    If we keep the team together, Kuzma and Daniels stay, then I'm really excited for next year. Then, we now have a foundation and are building for the future. We will be better and Larry is the guy for the job.

    If we lose a bunch of starters, and are basically starting over with Tillman and Barefield next year...that will be disappointing. I'd bet his seat starts to heat up at that point.

    Big summer for Larry and his perception of where the program is heading.

    Larry has done so much right, but at the same time, he has the FBYU-P story, the bad OOC, the transfers, etc. If he wins, those aren't a big deal at all. If he can't make the tournament most years, then those become big red flags.

    Anyways, my rambling thoughts.
    Agreed. All fair points.

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    Yes, buckle up. This team had no chemistry, lacked heart and leadership. I am almost to the point where I expect another player exodus this offseason. Just reading between the lines, it doesn't sound like LK really liked this team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snafu View Post
    Yes, buckle up. This team had no chemistry, lacked heart and leadership. I am almost to the point where I expect another player exodus this offseason. Just reading between the lines, it doesn't sound like LK really liked this team.
    the only senior was not a leader----low BB IQ. Down by 6 & about 1:45 left & he was walking it up the court.?

    Reyes & Ogbe who left last year could play right away. Someone on this team will have to be really unhappy to sit out a year.
    So I don't think anyone other than Jokl--who should go back home will transfer.
    Daniels looked energized & into it last night---he should learn that he is not a great dunker. He & Seeley looked like they are good friends.
    Jayce Johnson will improve a ton by next year--we could use him as rim protector.

    they really need to find a shooter----Barefield & PVD need to step up in that area & they need to find someone else who can shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Standing ute View Post
    Jayce Johnson will improve a ton by next year--we could use him as rim protector.

    they really need to find a shooter----Barefield & PVD need to step up in that area & they need to find someone else who can shoot.
    This summer will be telling. I was hoping that the young guys would develop more. Guys like Johnson and Barefield were billed as 4 star kids and I hoped to see them establish themselves more then they did. I guess I am pretty down on this team right now. Losing Markannen was huge.

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    Speaking of coaching news....Cuonzo Martin is reportedly mulling 3.5 Million reasons to go to Missouri.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Speaking of coaching news....Cuonzo Martin is reportedly mulling 3.5 Million reasons to go to Missouri.
    done deal

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    Xavier cancelled their game in the Huntsman Center. http://goxavier.com/news/2017/6/9/me...announced.aspx


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Xavier cancelled their game in the Huntsman Center. http://goxavier.com/news/2017/6/9/me...announced.aspx


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    Hello Cardinal Stritch,

    what you guys doing on 11/16?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Xavier cancelled their game in the Huntsman Center. http://goxavier.com/news/2017/6/9/me...announced.aspx
    Booo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Xavier cancelled their game in the Huntsman Center. http://goxavier.com/news/2017/6/9/me...announced.aspx


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    "We have communicated to the Utah staff our openness to play the game in the future."

    They are probably just saying that to avoid an audit...
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Got a feeling our Nov/Dec schedule is going to be awful again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Got a feeling our Nov/Dec schedule is going to be awful again.
    We should know fairly soon. Seems like other teams are putting their schedules out. When Chris Hill was interviewed not long ago by Bill Reilly, he made it sound like he allowed Larry some flexibility in last year's schedule as a one-off, so it will be very interesting to see what happens now. Granted, you've got Ole Miss, UNLV/Rice, USU, BYU, and Butler all lined up already, but still, need a decent home game or two.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    History has told me this is because they're scared of us. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    "We have communicated to the Utah staff our openness to play the game in the future."

    They are probably just saying that to avoid an audit...
    Did their coach pay the buyout personally?

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    OOC may not be great, but at least make it interesting. Get some MWC foes in. People we have history with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I'll believe ASU is 5th when I see it. I think he is fair to us. I think anywhere from 5th to 9th is where we will land. I may be one of the last ones, but I am still hoping that we can land an impact player or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    I'll believe ASU is 5th when I see it.
    But who else can you pick there and feel good about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahsMrSports View Post
    I'll believe ASU is 5th when I see it. I think he is fair to us. I think anywhere from 5th to 9th is where we will land. I may be one of the last ones, but I am still hoping that we can land an impact player or two.
    The thing ASU has going for it is that folks seem to universally believe that Hurley's players play hard for him...that, with an influx of talent could get them to 5th, I suppose. Personally (get ready to check me into the crazy house) I think Oregon St. could make a leap like that, especially with so many unknowns among the middle of the pack squads.

    USC at 2? I'll believe THAT when I see it.
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post

    USC at 2? I'll believe THAT when I see it.
    Ha ha. Is this the case that a football guy decided to write about basketball?

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    Utah replaces the Xavier home game with another home game of equal...





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Utah replaces the Xavier home game with another home game of equal...





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    What does the tweet say?

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    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
    What does the tweet say?

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    Let's get to know the Northwestern State Demons:

    2016-17 Record: 13-16, finished 10th in their league, but ended the season on a 3 game winning streak, beating New Orleans (eventual conference champ), Stephen F. Austin, and Central Arkansas, though they did not make their conference tournament. Their two top leading scorers were seniors, so they return one guy who averaged double figures and another guy who nearly averaged double figures. You are welcome to follow them on Twitter @NSUDemons

    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    I don't know if I'm happy or sad about this. Another win, which like last year, we will need, but another game I'm home by 10.

    It's too bad. I miss the rocking Huntsman Center.

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    This year's NBA draft is a crap shoot to predict, the mock drafts generally deviate starting with the 2nd pick.

    But I've seen a couple of seemingly credible mock drafts having Kuzma going in the 1st round. One prediction had him going to the Lakers, after De'Aaron Fox is picked #2 by them. Another had Kuz getting picked before Frank Jackson.

    Kuzma could be a pretty good "filler" type player - not going to dominate a game with his athleticism, but he can score, rebound and pass well enough to find a way to contribute off the bench. If he can find consistency in his long game, he could have a nice career.

    I hope it happens, it would be great to see that skinny kid from Flint make his hometown and the Utes proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    This year's NBA draft is a crap shoot to predict, the mock drafts generally deviate starting with the 2nd pick.

    But I've seen a couple of seemingly credible mock drafts having Kuzma going in the 1st round. One prediction had him going to the Lakers, after De'Aaron Fox is picked #2 by them. Another had Kuz getting picked before Frank Jackson.

    Kuzma could be a pretty good "filler" type player - not going to dominate a game with his athleticism, but he can score, rebound and pass well enough to find a way to contribute off the bench. If he can find consistency in his long game, he could have a nice career.

    I hope it happens, it would be great to see that skinny kid from Flint make his hometown and the Utes proud.
    I posted a while ago, before the combine, that I would bet any amount of money that he does not go higher than 35. I would still make that bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    I posted a while ago, before the combine, that I would bet any amount of money that he does not go higher than 35. I would still make that bet.
    I'll bet you $20. Not because I think you're wrong. I certainly don't know, the mock drafts are all over the map.

    My hunch/hope is based on a general tendency to underestimate the familiar. I don't think anyone would have guessed Jon Fanene would have gone from weed-wacker to most of a decade in the NFL. We all thought Steve Smith was talented, but crazy... certainly not a Hall of Fame level player. (Tons of other examples, both ways.)

    Based on watching them play up close in Berkley, I would take Kuzma over Ivan Rabb. I think he's on the rise, I think he'll sneak into the 1st round.

    If I'm wrong, I owe you $20. If I'm right, we all celebrate, no money involved.

    I'm in.

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