I guess Russell M Nelson is the next man up. He's 93 and looking pretty frail. Three years ago I was a Mountain Host at Park City and was asked to take a photo of him with other family members skiing. He did okay. I hope I am skiing at 90.
I guess Russell M Nelson is the next man up. He's 93 and looking pretty frail. Three years ago I was a Mountain Host at Park City and was asked to take a photo of him with other family members skiing. He did okay. I hope I am skiing at 90.
the final "closed quote"
what a great example of serve
Recently I had an opportunity to interact with President Nelson. He may be getting frail physically but mentally he is as sharp as ever. In the course of the situation I asked him if he had any special requests or something he would like me to do and he joked, "I'll tell you what, I'll trust you to do your job if you trust me to do mine." It immediately put everyone at ease.Originally Posted by UTEopia
The old guard that have been fixtures in the church my entire life are moving on... I think the church will be quite a bit different in some ways a decade from now.
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Pres. Nelson will be calling two new apostles. That's four new apostles in the last 2.5 years. Pretty big change -- one-third of the Quorum -- in a short period of time.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Of the current group:
5 are in there 60s (Gary Stevenson is the youngest at 62).
3 are in there 70s
2 in there 80s
And President Nelson is 93.
So you will very likely have 2 more in there 60s or potentially mid to late 50s. Should be interesting.
If you look at the likely pool that they'll fill those spots from (Presiding Bishopric and Presidency of the Seventy) all of those guys are in their 50s and 60s. Bishop Causse is 54. He'd be a fantastic addition, I think.
“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
I'm not too excited about Pres. Nelson...
1. His anti-evolution talk a few years ago.
2. His unconditional love is conditional talk/article
3. His wife's crazy book: "The not even once club"
4. The Nov policy
5. I always feel like a 7 year old when I listen to him speak.
It will be interesting to see how he changes as he assumes the mantle. In my lifetime, Presidents Smith, Kimball and Benson all seemed to soften when they became president of the Church. I work with surgeons all the time, and Pres. Nelson definitely fits the typical profile. Nothing wrong with that. Surgery -- especially cardiothoracic surgery -- attracts a certain personality type that is decisive, comfortable being in charge, and so forth. No one would want a CT surgeon operating on them who is any other way.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Good points. It will be interesting to see how things evolve (sorry Pres. Nelson.... (c: )
My only memory is with Benson, and that was when I was in high school, and not paying much attention to these sorts of things....
I just finished reading the Leonard Arrington biography where Benson is a major player. Given that lens, the McKay biography, as well as what I have learned about Benson over the years, he was singing the same tune as prophet, but volume was turned down a bit. A distinction, but how much difference? I don't know.
Interesting times.
Sure I can see why you aren't thrilled. I'm not sure that anyone except possibly Uchtdorf should generate excitement, and even then it is only in comparison to the alternatives. However, it isn't Oaks and that right there makes a huge difference. So, you should be happy with Nelson for at least that reason.
So I said to David Eckstein, "You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
--fjm.com
I think you're wrong on this one. I don't think we can possibly know how someone is going to act when they are in the big chair, until they are actually in the big chair. It's like the BYU fans that spend time wringing their collective hands over what might happen to their athletic programs under Bednar. Might as well just wait to see how it all plays out. The likelihood that anything regresses, IMO, seems pretty low at this point. Plus, while I think the church is slow to change on the macro level, the church is absolutely changing for the better on the local level, because the individual members are deciding to not just mail it in, but rather show up and make a positive impact on their ward. Now, maybe that trickles up, maybe it doesn't, but we would all be wise to worry about what we can control, and act accordingly, rather than worry about what we can't control, or, what may never come to be.
“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
You very well might be right; generally the US presidency changes the president. But people said the same thing about Trump, and he changed the presidency rather than the other way around.
1. https://www.lds.org/general-conferen...o-god?lang=eng
A quote from that talk:
"Yet some people erroneously think that these marvelous physical attributes happened by chance or resulted from a big bang somewhere. Ask yourself, “Could an explosion in a printing shop produce a dictionary?” The likelihood is most remote. But if so, it could never heal its own torn pages or reproduce its own newer editions!"
Strawman much? Nobody who understand evolution is making this claim.
2. https://www.lds.org/ensign/2003/02/divine-love?lang=eng
3. https://deseretbook.com/p/not-even-o...7444-hardcover
From the book description at desert book:
"The Not Even Once Club is an adorable and appealing way to engage children in a story that will help them choose for themselves to keep the commandments and to never break them. Not even once."
https://www.theguardian.com/science/...f-creationists
We clearly need to be careful not to assume that when people say they are rejecting “evolutionary science”, they are rejecting all scientific research or indeed all of what we might think of as evolutionary science. ‘Evolution’ as a term has gained a mishmash of cultural baggage over the years, not least a strong association with ‘New Atheist’ movements ...
Furthermore, doubts about evolutionary science frequently appear to be related to the perceived limitations of evolutionary science-based explanations for human origins and human consciousness.
Yes, fair point.
I guess the thing that irritated me the most is the horrible strawman argument he used. It's irresponsible, and irrelevant, and feeds the anti-science crowd (whether he intended to, or not).
And I guess it scratches my itch that I feel like I'm in primary when I hear him talk.
The thing that bothered me was that this was the wife of an apostle. I have heard from several people (albeit, not first hand) that she is the tail wagging the dog. It's a children's book on perfectionism, which is not something we need more of in the church. Maybe he disagrees with her, but she has his ear.
I might be wrong, but don't most of the new apostles get called from the Presidency of the Seventy? If so, there are 3 currently in that Presidency born outside the US. 1 from Brazil, 1 from Peru and 1 from England. I have enjoyed the conference talks of Patrick Kearon from England. My hope is that the new leadership brings us people from outside of the US. I believe they bring a more well-rounded view of the world and the church then guys who are primarily from the US.
By "guys who are primarily from the US," do you mean "guys who are primarily from Utah and SE Idaho?"
I think we might be surprised this time. Just a hunch.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
--Yeats
“True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”
--John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell
Bishop Cause (sp?) was front and center in the crowd when they announced the new FP. He'd be fantastic.
“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Elder Todd Graham?
He's not busy, his suit jacket would cover his wristbands, he just needs a middle initial.
I hope you are right, but I think you are wrong. We are the death of a 93 year old man away from having Dallin H. Oaks as prophet. How many years would it take to unravel 1 year of regression with regards to the LGBTQ and women if he is ever prophet. I'd say at least 3-5 years for every year. I bet anything he would advocate for would make the exclusion policy look kind.
So I said to David Eckstein, "You promised me, Eckstein, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I noticed that during the most trying periods of my life, there have only been one set of prints in the sand. Why, when I have needed you most, have you not been there for me?" David Eckstein replied, "Because my little legs had gotten tired, and you were carrying me." And I looked down and saw that I was still carrying David Eckstein.
--fjm.com
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