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    Utah Utes 2017 football pre-season

    The 9 best over/under win total bets for the 2017 college football season

    Utah Utes (OVER 6 ½)

    This one is simply a history play. Are you really betting that Kyle Whittingham, one of the most underrated coaches in college football, finishes .500 or worse this season? It seems unlikely considering he’s won at least nine games each of the last three years. Plus, the Utes have a manageable schedule that includes three winnable out-of-conference games (at BYU, San Jose State and North Dakota) and four of their final six games at home.
    http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...7?sf82041725=1

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    Some TV times/networks announced:

    8/31 (Thu) vs. North Dakota, 5:30 PM, MT Pac 12 Networks
    9/9 @ BYU, 8:15, PM, MT ESPN2
    9/16 vs. SJSU, 8:00 PM, MT ESPN 2
    9/22 (Fri) @ Arizona, 8:30 PM, MT, FS1
    11/3 (Fri) vs. UCLA, 7:30 PM, MT FS1
    “It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.”

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrumNFeather View Post
    Some TV times/networks announced:

    8/31 (Thu) vs. North Dakota, 5:30 PM, MT Pac 12 Networks
    9/9 @ BYU, 8:15, PM, MT ESPN2
    9/16 vs. SJSU, 8:00 PM, MT ESPN 2
    9/22 (Fri) @ Arizona, 8:30 PM, MT, FS1
    11/3 (Fri) vs. UCLA, 7:30 PM, MT FS1
    So if I'm ever for a late starting game it is in the heat of the end of summer. I wish we were starting the 8/31 game at 8:30. Instead we'll have a 8:30 start in November.

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    Utah has a winning Pac-12 formula, but it’ll be harder in 2017


    Kyle Whittingham teams overachieve with defense and special teams, but 2017 has a few things to consider.


    http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/6/1/15706610/utah-utes-football-2017-preview-schedule-roster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    Utah has a winning Pac-12 formula, but it’ll be harder in 2017


    Kyle Whittingham teams overachieve with defense and special teams, but 2017 has a few things to consider.


    http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/6/1/15706610/utah-utes-football-2017-preview-schedule-roster

    This offense better work or we are in a lot of trouble.


    I heard or read somewhere that Cal offered Troy Taylor the oc job after Taylor had accepted utah, and hired the EWU head coach when Taylor turned it down. have no idea if that is true.
    Last edited by concerned; 06-01-2017 at 09:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    This offense better work or we are in a lot of trouble.
    I am more confident that the defense can re-load and that special teams will continue to be good (if we find a field goal kicker - the guys in spring were terrible) than I do that the offense can make tremendous strides given that we will be starting 4 young and inexperienced offensive linemen. One of the keys the past two years is the the offense has not thrown a lot of interceptions. The article indicates that Utah ran the ball 56% last year while EWU only ran it 39%. Obviously wins/losses and points scored will be the ultimate indicators of whether the offense has improved or not, but it will be interesting to watch % run/pass, scoring touchdowns in the redzone, whether the QB can improve the 53% completion rate (not all the QB's fault as I would guess the Utes averaged at least 3 easy catch drops per game) and the number of interceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
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    6 feet tall and 160 lbs? Is he a kicker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrenrut View Post
    6 feet tall and 160 lbs? Is he a kicker?
    Yes. Our kicking game was rancid this spring. The hope has been that this kid lives up to the hype.


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    Utah Utes 2017 pre-season

    I haven't listened yet, but 41 minutes of talking offense with Coach Taylor has to be a good thing, right?

    https://espn700sports.com/interviews...inator-6-2-17/

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    Look forward to seeing how good CJ really is. It's not easy for a high school kicker to get a scholarship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Schr-Ute View Post
    I haven't listened yet, but 41 minutes of talking offense with Coach Taylor has to be a good thing, right?

    https://espn700sports.com/interviews...inator-6-2-17/

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    It's a great interview and well worth a listen. The headline, "Troy Taylor Is In Complete Control," is true to the content. This is going to be fascinating to watch as the season unfolds -- especially in the closing minutes of close games.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    especially in the closing minutes of close games.
    I didn't listen. Can you explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I didn't listen. Can you explain?
    Well, in brief, what stood out to me were these parts of the interview:

    The guy clearly has a well-developed offensive philosophy. He talked about all the studying he's done a football offenses, went down a list of various approaches used by the various grades, many of whom he learned from, and generally he sounds like an offensive"mind," if you will forgive me for using such a trite term. That is something new during the Whittingham era. He said that watching Urban Meyer's offense at Utah was a turning point in his own offensive philosophy. He went to Las Vegas and spent a few days with Mike Sanford just to learn as much as he could about that offense.

    He also emphasize that the number one condition to his taking the job at Utah was to have total control over the offense. I just wonder what that will mean. I hope he gets it, and I wonder if he will have it during the closing moments of close games. We have heard all along that Kyle has not interfered in the offense, except at crucial game moments, especially when the Utes are trying to hang onto a small lead at the end of a game. I am not enough of a football mind myself to really have much of an opinion about that, but it will be interesting to watch.

    He builds his offense around the quarterback, and considers the quarterback the most important player on the team, recognizing that the QB cannot succeed without good receivers and a good line. His offense is designed to be flexible enough to adapt to the skills of the best quarterback available. But we have known that about him for a while. What interested me the most was the apparent depth of his thinking about offense, and his desire to have total control, along with Kyle's commitment to give that to him.

    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."
    --Yeats

    “True, we [lawyers] build no bridges. We raise no towers. We construct no engines. We paint no pictures - unless as amateurs for our own principal amusement. There is little of all that we do which the eye of man can see. But we smooth out difficulties; we relieve stress; we correct mistakes; we take up other men's burdens and by our efforts we make possible the peaceful life of men in a peaceful state.”

    --John W. Davis, founder of Davis Polk & Wardwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    Well, in brief, what stood out to me were these parts of the interview:

    The guy clearly has a well-developed offensive philosophy. He talked about all the studying he's done a football offenses, went down a list of various approaches used by the various grades, many of whom he learned from, and generally he sounds like an offensive"mind," if you will forgive me for using such a trite term. That is something new during the Whittingham era. He said that watching Urban Meyer's offense at Utah was a turning point in his own offensive philosophy. He went to Las Vegas and spent a few days with Mike Sanford just to learn as much as he could about that offense.

    He also emphasize that the number one condition to his taking the job at Utah was to have total control over the offense. I just wonder what that will mean. I hope he gets it, and I wonder if he will have it during the closing moments of close games. We have heard all along that Kyle has not interfered in the offense, except at crucial game moments, especially when the Utes are trying to hang onto a small lead at the end of a game. I am not enough of a football mind myself to really have much of an opinion about that, but it will be interesting to watch.

    He builds his offense around the quarterback, and considers the quarterback the most important player on the team, recognizing that the QB cannot succeed without good receivers and a good line. His offense is designed to be flexible enough to adapt to the skills of the best quarterback available. But we have known that about him for a while. What interested me the most was the apparent depth of his thinking about offense, and his desire to have total control, along with Kyle's commitment to give that to him.
    did he say whether he thinks he has the personnel to implement his offense now, or whether it will take a couple of recruiting classes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Ute View Post
    We have heard all along that Kyle has not interfered in the offense, except at crucial game moments
    Thanks. We have heard this a lot, primarily from fans. Thing is, we have a very good record in close games. Kyle generally makes good decisions in these situations.

    Taylor sounds confident. I assume he's smart enough to listen to the wealth of experience available to him on this coaching staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concerned View Post
    Based on what Ive read about Jack Tuttle's performance at the Elite 11 this weekend, Taylor is probably salivating about getting him. Seems really comparable to Jake Browning.
    A more mobile Browning.

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    Utah Utes 2017 pre-season

    Hopefully Javelin Guidry's hands are as deadly as his legs.




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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    I agree with the rest of your post, but this statement is incomplete. Return missionaries are great on the lines because it is easier to add muscle at ages 20-25 than 18-23. I'm always happy to have RMs on the lines. A 25 year old who's been in the weight room for the past 2 years is going to steamroll a lot of opponents. This is a big reason BYU has managed to stay decent as a G5 program.
    In the MWC, yeah. We ain't in the MWC anymore. In the MWC, Empey is one of our best OL. Not anymore. Now, he's just average.

    I'd rather a big, Brawny, athletic kid over a 24 year old slower, less athletic any day of the week.

    It's an advantage when your recruiting is lacking. A two star 24 year old bumps up to a three star talent.

    But no one takes the older two star over a younger, better player.

    Finally, BYU is relevant for one reason: their schedules suck. That's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    In the MWC, yeah. We ain't in the MWC anymore. In the MWC, Empey is one of our best OL. Not anymore. Now, he's just average.

    I'd rather a big, Brawny, athletic kid over a 24 year old slower, less athletic any day of the week.

    It's an advantage when your recruiting is lacking. A two star 24 year old bumps up to a three star talent.

    But no one takes the older two star over a younger, better player.

    Finally, BYU is relevant for one reason: their schedules suck. That's it.
    Sure. I'm just saying that - all else being equal - I'll take the older lineman over the younger one. I'm not losing any sleep over Empey or anyone else down in Provo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Sure. I'm just saying that - all else being equal - I'll take the older lineman over the younger one. I'm not losing any sleep over Empey or anyone else down in Provo.
    True. I think we may be saying the same thing. Lol. Good old message boards.

    I'll take the better player, no matter the age.
    If two are equal, I'll take the RM.

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    Good for Empey. I'm sure he made the best decision for himself.

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    Assuming he gets to camp this fall, Jav Guidry will be the fastest Ute, ever. Yesterday he cranked out a 10.13 100m in the CIF 100m championship.

    (The 2nd guy got a 10.33. Look at the difference between them.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ9Q72ujIaY

    Guidry is 5-9/188 - basically the same build as Brice McCain. It would be a tragedy if this kid doesn't run track for the Utes next spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    It would be a tragedy if this kid doesn't run track for the Utes next spring.
    Utah doesn't have a track team, me thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    Utah doesn't have a track team, me thinks.
    They definitely don't have a full team, but I think there are a few long distance women, and a couple of guys qualified for PAC-12 championship, etc.

    It wouldn't be a Title 9 hit if they let Fulks and Guidry run some sprints. I don't even think those two would need a coach, they've been running track so long they have the technique down. We're talking minimal outlay, no scholarship hit. Kenric Young has some track credentials, but Guidry and Fulks would contend in the PAC. We have an incoming RB, Green (?) who was the Arizona State 110m hurdles champ, which isn't saying a lot in terms of track credentials.

    Just as CU not having a baseball team kind of isolates that school from the rest of the conference, in the spring, not taking advantage of a few seriously talented athletes on the football team, to help build up the credentials of the school (and even the football) team, when the opportunity is there for the taking, is just dumb, IMO.

    5 years ago we were trying to get Kalfani Mohommed (?) who ended up being a pretty good RB at Cal. He also happened to be serious about track, which might have been part of why he went to Cal. (I'm shooting in the dark on this point.)

    Minimal investment - just do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    They definitely don't have a full team, but I think there are a few long distance women, and a couple of guys qualified for PAC-12 championship, etc.

    It wouldn't be a Title 9 hit if they let Fulks and Guidry run some sprints. I don't even think those two would need a coach, they've been running track so long they have the technique down. We're talking minimal outlay, no scholarship hit. Kenric Young has some track credentials, but Guidry and Fulks would contend in the PAC. We have an incoming RB, Green (?) who was the Arizona State 110m hurdles champ, which isn't saying a lot in terms of track credentials.

    Just as CU not having a baseball team kind of isolates that school from the rest of the conference, in the spring, not taking advantage of a few seriously talented athletes on the football team, to help build up the credentials of the school (and even the football) team, when the opportunity is there for the taking, is just dumb, IMO.

    5 years ago we were trying to get Kalfani Mohommed (?) who ended up being a pretty good RB at Cal. He also happened to be serious about track, which might have been part of why he went to Cal. (I'm shooting in the dark on this point.)

    Minimal investment - just do it!
    It isn't the AD who won't fund players to participate in track. Whit will not allow any participation during spring football. The players have from the time spring football ends until the Tuesday after Memorial Day to go home and relax and not have any class or football related activities. This assumes they don't go to the first session of summer semester. To participate in track you would give up your only break in the year. They also have a break from the end of the season/bowl game until the start of Winter semester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTEopia View Post
    It isn't the AD who won't fund players to participate in track. Whit will not allow any participation during spring football. The players have from the time spring football ends until the Tuesday after Memorial Day to go home and relax and not have any class or football related activities. This assumes they don't go to the first session of summer semester. To participate in track you would give up your only break in the year. They also have a break from the end of the season/bowl game until the start of Winter semester.
    I know Whitt's job is to make football players and the time commitment and scheduling aren't friendly... I'm just saying we're getting guys that can generate buzz for the TV commentators, and that's a serious potential recruiting goldmine. 10.13? He beat the 10.33 kid by about 8 feet. Crazy.

    I can see Guidry having a shot to take the 100m in the PAC-12, and going on to the NCAA nationals. Seeing that kind of performance in a Utah uniform would draw at least 1 or 2 more elite speed kids a year. Fulks may amount to something this year - you never know with these kids - and I thought he scored on the KO at CU late last year. Even if they have hands of stone, those kind of athletes could make a few plays a year that end up in the plus column, on special teams or on defense. Think Cal Beck.

    This year's State of Utah 100m champ ran about a 10.8, is considered quite a stud. Guidry would have smoked him by 7+ yards, easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma'ake View Post
    I know Whitt's job is to make football players and the time commitment and scheduling aren't friendly... I'm just saying we're getting guys that can generate buzz for the TV commentators, and that's a serious potential recruiting goldmine. 10.13? He beat the 10.33 kid by about 8 feet. Crazy.

    I can see Guidry having a shot to take the 100m in the PAC-12, and going on to the NCAA nationals. Seeing that kind of performance in a Utah uniform would draw at least 1 or 2 more elite speed kids a year. Fulks may amount to something this year - you never know with these kids - and I thought he scored on the KO at CU late last year. Even if they have hands of stone, those kind of athletes could make a few plays a year that end up in the plus column, on special teams or on defense. Think Cal Beck.

    This year's State of Utah 100m champ ran about a 10.8, is considered quite a stud. Guidry would have smoked him by 7+ yards, easy.
    I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that I don't think it will happen because spring football is more important to Whit than track and a month off is more important than to 99% of football players than running track.

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    Man, great post and great idea. I love it. I know who I want as our next AD when Hill decides to ride into the sunset.

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    Let the games begin!




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